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Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011


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rvm
May 6, 2013


https://streamable.com/dbd8v

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011




I just watched the Heaven's Feel movie but didn't really understand what was happening. Had to read some wiki stuff afterwards. I guess it's designed for people who have played the visual novel.

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

nope just me lain


Yes

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

nope just me lain


Now that I think about it owns that the op has like twenty paragraphs about f/go but zero about how to get into this franchise.

Motto
Aug 3, 2013



how to get into fate: be a schoolboy and be swayed by thinking Liz is cute

astr0man
Feb 21, 2007

hollyeo deuroga


Ccs posted:

I just watched the Heaven's Feel movie but didn't really understand what was happening. Had to read some wiki stuff afterwards. I guess it's designed for people who have played the visual novel.

It definitely assumes that you have at least seen the UBW anime

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010


Stairmaster posted:

Now that I think about it owns that the op has like twenty paragraphs about f/go but zero about how to get into this franchise.

Start by learning Japanese and tracking down a copy of Fate/Stay Night and then,

Captain Baal
Oct 22, 2010


Stairmaster posted:

Now that I think about it owns that the op has like twenty paragraphs about f/go but zero about how to get into this franchise.

It does own that I am rather prophetic, I must agree

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST

I am pretty sure that for most people now FGO is how one gets into the franchise.

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

nope just me lain


Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Best way to get into the franchise is the same as it's been for years. Pirate the VN, install the fan translation stuff, fast forward through the porn bits.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy


Slowly become obsessed with power levels... realize that Nasu is a deeply silly goose. Enjoy yourself anyway.

Erg
Oct 31, 2010



add a review of how the knk movies were

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy


Erg posted:

add a review of how the knk movies were
Later. I've been meaning to rewatch them because I can barely recall the first two beyond the fact that we're presented to them out of chronological order. The third is, unfortunately, kind of hard to forget, taking into account how it starts. :negative:

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

PRETTY SURE THAT ONE'S SARCASM, BOSS



While Fate/Stay Night has three separate timelines they do have an "order" to them (Fate, UBW, HF). They assume knowledge from previous routes and also have a thematic progression. Maybe you can just jump into the UBW anime though.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011




The issue with trying to watch the Fate route first is that it looks so bad compared to everything ufotable has done.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 17, 2013





I mean the animation was worse, being a peak 2000s budget anime, but the original fate was the best of the animated tv shows.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy


Irony Be My Shield posted:

While Fate/Stay Night has three separate timelines they do have an "order" to them (Fate, UBW, HF). They assume knowledge from previous routes and also have a thematic progression. Maybe you can just jump into the UBW anime though.
Ah, no: I've gone through all of F/SN. I was talking about the Kara no Kyoukai (KNK) movies. Which I've also seen, even if I mostly don't remember the first 2 movies.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004



The first one is the floating suicide girls the second is the friendship between Shiki and SHIKI and boy before the car accident.

Kyte
Nov 19, 2013

Never quacked for this


UBW anime and HF movie both assume you have access to the smartphone port of FSN RN, which IIRC has the Fate route free. That's why they haven't really bothered (re)adapting it.

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

nope just me lain


Read the vn!!! Books are good!!!!

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013



Grimey Drawer

Heavens Feel is definitely built on knowing what happened in at least one of the other routes. The scene with Archer and Shirou on the school roof is built on the idea that you are well aware that Archer wants to mentally and physically kill Shirou in an attempt to write himself out of existence but he is well aware that something is going seriously wrong in the current war and so is going to focus on his duties as a counter guardian first before trying to fulfill his own wish.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay



Lipstick Apathy

Stairmaster posted:

Read the vn!!! Books are good!!!!

that's how i got into the franchise so yeah this

ymmv if for some reason shirou is not uncomfortably close to your own personality in some ways

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
Lurklurklurklurklurk

Has there ever been any kind of statement from Type-Moon about why the VN don't have a proper English release?

Cuz y'know... those happen now. For visual novels. Particularly for famous ones. Especially if they're not pornographic! (Sometimes if they're pornographic)

Hell, didn't the Muv Luv kickstarter hit 500% of it's funding goals? And that's without an incredibly popular mobile game and multiple successful anime series.

OnimaruXLR fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Oct 2, 2018

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008



it's because no one wants to pay the fee that the vn would probably call for

Captain Baal
Oct 22, 2010


Albert mentioned at the AWA Panel they could absolutely do it, but they have no one on staff who is free enough to do it. His team is busy with FGO and the CEO of Aniplex doesn't seem to be into hiring an entirely new staff for the sake of localizing it.

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

PRETTY SURE THAT ONE'S SARCASM, BOSS



FSN is longer than War and Peace and most people who are interested have already read the fan translation. Athough it's a shame because the current translation is pretty bad.

Captain Baal
Oct 22, 2010


It is not a matter of people who are interested having read the fan translation, there are plenty people out there who got in through FGO or other Fate media (Zero or UBW or even maybe the Deen stuff) who have no prior experience with the series that would definitely read the VN. There are plenty of people who have played the VN who would pay to have a professional localization done and would reread the VN especially if it was made accessible through legal means and in a more convenient way (IE The Phone or Vita Ports). People are always willing to dip back into something they loved or are familiar with and Fate has been a hot property for the past two years (Longer than that really, but these last two years have been an especial boom period) that a VN localization would absolutely make a profit.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 17, 2013





There are also pretty massive parts of the VN that could be cut with no impact on the story. It doesn't have to be longer than War and Peace, probably at most as long as Atlas Shrugged.

Terrible Opinions fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Oct 2, 2018

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


You best not mean all the cooking segments. :chef:

And yeah, I'd pay for an official translation of FSN and happily reread through it to see just how badly done the Fanslation was

Terrible Opinions
Oct 17, 2013





No I mean the endless re-explaining of magic mechanics. The cooking must stay.

Nyaa
Jan 7, 2010
Like, Nyaa.

:colbert:


If all the cooking segments are removed, it would be like fate zero pace. Fight night, fight night, itís taiga, fight ni...

Compendium
Jun 18, 2013

M-E-J-E-D


I would absolutely buy an official VN translation.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 26 hours!


Terrible Opinions posted:

No I mean the endless re-explaining of magic mechanics. The cooking must stay.

Or, hell, just the endless repeating of everything. Nasu never uses a phrase where three saying the exact same thing will do.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004




Grimey Drawer

IIRC wasnít the hurdle for the VN that they were demanding a ridiculous amount of money for the rights? Like, enough to turn people away even if they know itíll be a hit?

Captain Baal
Oct 22, 2010


That was never confirmed to be the reason and as I said, the Aniplex of America CEO has apparently stated it is definitely doable according to Albert Kao, they just don't have people that can do it.

Stevefin
Sep 30, 2013



Ccs posted:

I just watched the Heaven's Feel movie but didn't really understand what was happening. Had to read some wiki stuff afterwards. I guess it's designed for people who have played the visual novel.

I am going to say something that is almost treason, but for the HF movies, they do not care about the fate route, more that the movie is structured around knowing what happened in Zero and UBW, Fate route is kinda useless as an anime as it was a glorified tutorial and we already know who saber was in zero by that time line.

We will see if this really holds any water next movie, as the first is just show casing that this is no normal war

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011


Captain Baal posted:

That was never confirmed to be the reason and as I said, the Aniplex of America CEO has apparently stated it is definitely doable according to Albert Kao, they just don't have people that can do it.

It's really loving dumb that for a game with a profit margin like that they cam barely hire a team. Aniplex could probably shell out for some guys and relaunch the realta nua version on steam with like two weeks worth of fgo profits.

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Captain Baal
Oct 22, 2010


They probably could, but Aniplex is already a dumb company who wants to sell you all of KNK for 250 bucks in the US, so this kinda just adds to the pile.

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