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Beef Waifu posted:I'm mostly talking about the sound quality, it's just really stuffy as hell. The voice acting is good, but you sometimes couldn't tell because all of the voices sound bad in terms of actual sound quality. at least it isnt one of those dubs where everyone sounds like theyre in a wind tunnel
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Gaius Marius posted:But she didn't die in the majority of the routes. Uh, she died in two out of three?
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Endorph posted:You get to see the Archer vs Berserker fight. Archer uses Unlimited Blade Works and has a few dramatic lines during the fight that hint as his identity. I think the hints to Archer's identity are so obscure you'd have to already be motivated enough to read the VN to get them. The fact that UBW is Archer's Phantasm doesn't necessarily spoil anything because there's no reason to even know that Shirou can also perform UBW and in fact, he doesn't perform it until after Archer's identity is already revealed. SALT CURES HAM posted:Uh, she died in two out of three? I consider Sparks Liner High and the UBW Good Ending to be the canon endings, so she didn't die in any of them. ![]()
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Angry Grimace posted:I consider Sparks Liner High and the UBW Good Ending to be the canon endings, so she didn't die in any of them. I know Fate is less exciting than the other routes, but you could at least remember the ending.
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Angry Grimace posted:I consider Sparks Liner High
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I wonder what happens to Saber after Heaven's Feel. Does she just move on to the next search for a Holy Grail?
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jellycat posted:I wonder what happens to Saber after Heaven's Feel. Does she just move on to the next search for a Holy Grail? Otherwise, I imagine she just chills at Hotel Emiya like everyone else, neglecting to get a job like the deadbeat she is.
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Twiddy posted:Isn't she kind of dead in both endings? I was under the impression that she's effectively immortal as a Heroic Spirit until she either fulfills or cancels her contract to obtain the Holy Grail. She's killed in her incarnation as a participant in the Fifth Grail War, but she herself doesn't die. At least, that was my understanding.
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The problem is that the grail no longer exists by the end of any of the routes. Well, Waver and Rin have a bebopping adventure to destroy it after the Fate/UBW routes, but either way, there's no grail for her to fight for.
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Right, but I don't think the contract limits her to this grail. Like Kotomine said, there have been lots of things called the Holy Grail over the years, and I just figured Saber's contract basically includes anything called the Holy Grail (that can fulfill her wishes, maybe).
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U-DO Burger posted:I know Fate is less exciting than the other routes, but you could at least remember the ending. Okay, you got me. Fate kind of sucks, sorry. Endorph posted:an ending where saber has completely lost all will to live and feels that there is no more good left in the world for either sakura or rin is a much happier ending than her just dying like a normal person I never said SLH was happy. Twiddy posted:Isn't she kind of dead in both endings? I don't think dying as a Servant does anything to her. She just goes back to the hill, as far as I know. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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Crossposting this from the UBW thread:YggdrasilTM posted:Well, - the set of command spells in the war in this moment is still 21. The reason is that Kuzuki, while acting as a "anchor", does not have any command spell I think you're forgetting the three Command Spells Caster fooled her Master into wasting so that she could backstab him. At this point the status of Command Spells issued in this war is: Rin's Ilya's x3 most likely all still remaining. Caster's... hmm... did she get any Command Spells when she summoned fake!Assassin? Assuming she did, That gives us 24.
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Was Assassin guarding the temple gate a command spell order? It's been a while.
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Endorph posted:Was Assassin guarding the temple gate a command spell order? It's been a while. I don't recall if it ever specified it was a command seal rather than just an order but probably.
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Endorph posted:Was Assassin guarding the temple gate a command spell order? It's been a while. From what I gathered, he's not even a "real" servant; he's just an extraordinarily powerful familiar she's calling Assassin while the real Assassin simply never shows up in non-HF routes and Zouken just sits around not doing anything or even being mentioned by his name. Aumanor posted:Crossposting this from the UBW thread: Doesn't Sakura still have the Command Seals? I'm not sure why, but I seem to recall that in HF, Shinji originally loses Rider and then just demands more seals from Sakura. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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It's confusing because Rule Breaker (fittingly?) breaks all the normal rules about how Command Spells work. For example, normally you keep your Command Spells after your Servant dies, and if you make a contract with a new Servant you have to use already-existing Command Spells. However, when Medea uses Rule Breaker on Saber, she gets three new Command Spells out of nowhere. I believe it's also stated somewhere that Kuzuki has things that are sort of like Command Spells but are different somehow.
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I remember a bunch of people hoping that the ufotable adaptation would be Heaven's Feel, but so far, I don't think I've seen many people figure out the big twist in UBW without spoilers. But you'd have to be denser than the bone of Shirou's sword to not figure out the Heaven's Feel twist (the Shadow is Sakura!). Tellingly, Shirou could not figure this out for 2/3 of the loving route.
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At this point of time in UBW Sakura should indeed have two more Command Spells. Normally I think she always has these two except for in HF where one more gets used to make another book for Shinji and the last one is used to order Rider to protect Shirou. I think Caster can pull Command Spells out of her rear end whenever she makes new contracts because she's, from a certain perspective, essentially just a super awesome magus and hey magi are nominally able to be selected as Masters. I think Illya's entire body is covered in Command Spells so she might have more than 3? You can "store" unusued Command Spells, as we saw with Kirei in Zero, though I have no idea how the Einzberns might be able to do so.
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Isn't Ilya completely covered in CSs?
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Silver2195 posted:It's confusing because Rule Breaker (fittingly?) breaks all the normal rules about how Command Spells work. For example, normally you keep your Command Spells after your Servant dies, and if you make a contract with a new Servant you have to use already-existing Command Spells. However, when Medea uses Rule Breaker on Saber, she gets three new Command Spells out of nowhere. I believe it's also stated somewhere that Kuzuki has things that are sort of like Command Spells but are different somehow. Angry Grimace posted:I remember a bunch of people hoping that the ufotable adaptation would be Heaven's Feel, but so far, I don't think I've seen many people figure out the big twist in UBW without spoilers. But you'd have to be denser than the bone of Shirou's sword to not figure out the Heaven's Feel twist (the Shadow is Sakura!). Tellingly, Shirou could not figure this out for 2/3 of the loving route. Nate RFB posted:I think Illya's entire body is covered in Command Spells so she might have more than 3? You can "store" unused Command Spells, as we saw with Kirei in Zero, though I have no idea how the Einzberns might be able to do so. Twiddy fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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Angry Grimace posted:From what I gathered, he's not even a "real" servant; he's just an extraordinarily powerful familiar she's calling Assassin while the real Assassin simply never shows up in non-HF routes and Zouken just sits around not doing anything or even being mentioned by his name.
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Gaius Marius posted:But she didn't die in the majority of the routes. Its more that the same way Caliburn traces its lineage to older swords, I imagine the idea of "Warrior Who Sleeps Until Is Needed Again" is also one of those recurring legends that those incarnated in the Saber class generally trace their own lineage from. jellycat posted:Right, but I don't think the contract limits her to this grail. Like Kotomine said, there have been lots of things called the Holy Grail over the years, and I just figured Saber's contract basically includes anything called the Holy Grail (that can fulfill her wishes, maybe). Yeah precisely. Plus with Nasu/Type-moon writing other alternate works that include some sort of Grail there's probably plenty of places she can show up. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Dec 30, 2014 |
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Fake Assassin isn't a real Assassin, but for all intents and purpose he's a servant. He's even taking up the real Assassin's spot, which is why True Assassin explodes out of him. Incidentally, poor True Assassin. The most forgotten servant. ![]()
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BlitzBlast posted:Incidentally, poor True Assassin. The most forgotten servant.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Its more that the same way Caliburn traces its lineage to older swords, I imagine the idea of "Warrior Who Sleeps Until Is Needed Again" is also one of those recurring legends that those incarnated in the Saber class generally trace their own lineage from. Seems like there's a lot of places Heroic Spirits end up that we just don't see.
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gently caress True Assassin
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^^^ Seriously, he has no personality traits to the point where he just gets influenced by Lancer's personality so gently caress him
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Compendium posted:^^^ I kind of like True Assassin. His pragmatism and (surprisingly for someone who seemed so inhuman when first introduced) sanity make him a good foil to the other characters, especially Zouken.
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He is only good when put in immediate relation to everyone else he works with because he's the sensible one of the group.
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"Shouldn't you just kill him?" "Nah, this is totally going to work out." "Well okay, you're the boss."
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BlitzBlast posted:"Shouldn't you just kill him?"
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I liked Saber's epilogue in Fate (true). Otherwise yeah a lot if the route was boring and it didn't make up for it with a great second half like the other routes did.
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True Assassin has the amazing fight scene against Kotomine, so he's alright in my book.
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True Assassin gets marks for not being a completely ineffective skimpily dressed Femme Fatale, which every 'Fate' knockoff work decided would be the easiest way to handle the class. (Most Shown) Fate/Zero Assassin: ![]() Fate/Prototype Assassin: ![]() Fate/Apocrypha Assassin of Red: ![]() and I'm not posting Assassin of Black because it's just so bad in the worst possible way.
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Thinking about it, next Fate spinoff they should just have Shiki summoned as Assassin, to troll all the "Could Shiki kill a servant?" people.
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One of the few designs in Extra that was for the better and doesn't involve grossness.MonsieurChoc posted:Thinking about it, next Fate spinoff they should just have Shiki summoned as Assassin, to troll all the "Could Shiki kill a servant?" people. If you're talking about Ryougi, she was in Extra so... (If we're talking Tohno then I'm staying away from that one)
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Scrree posted:True Assassin gets marks for not being a completely ineffective skimpily dressed Femme Fatale, which every 'Fate' knockoff work decided would be the easiest way to handle the class. Yeah, but this one actually makes sense considering who she's based on.
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also it's far and away the best of those designs, cleavage or no.
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Endorph posted:also it's far and away the best of those designs, cleavage or no. ![]() Kyte fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Dec 30, 2014 |
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