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Jon Joe
Oct 19, 2011

GUESS WHO'S LYING


Grimey Drawer

EccoRaven posted:

The case against you is that you ended yesterday seeming really, really, really certain that Opop was probably scum. Sure, maybe you didn't notice the sabotage, and when you did you paused, but you rightly conclude a second later "ernie probably wouldn't sabotage it" (this is an assumption everyone is assuming but it's worth reminding people it's an assumption). So why didn't you immediately turn on Opop?

It's just weird.

Yeah I didn't immediately notice Opop was on the vote and also it's nice to rethink things anyway.

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EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now


Cool well why have your thoughts on Opop changed?

Jon Joe
Oct 19, 2011

GUESS WHO'S LYING


Grimey Drawer

EccoRaven posted:

Cool well why have your thoughts on Opop changed?

They haven't because I haven't rethought things yet. I am still mentally in day 1, essentially, plus three corpses and time spent defending myself and thinking Sombererorchereomario is wrong.

fiery_valkyrie
Mar 26, 2003

I'm proud of you, Bender. Sure, you lost. You lost bad. But the important thing is I beat up someone who hurt my feelings in high school.

EccoRaven posted:

The case against you is that you ended yesterday seeming really, really, really certain that Opop was probably scum. Sure, maybe you didn't notice the sabotage, and when you did you paused, but you rightly conclude a second later "ernie probably wouldn't sabotage it" (this is an assumption everyone is assuming but it's worth reminding people it's an assumption). So why didn't you immediately turn on Opop?

It's just weird.

I like that you're not a loon though, thank you, it's really not very hard right? Gosh some people.

So your case on JJ is that he didn't immediately double down on his D1 claim that Opop was 100% scum?

I took JJ's 100% comment as a joke response to my post. Why are you so convinced that he was completely sold on Opop as scum that you are basing your whole case on it?

fiery_valkyrie
Mar 26, 2003

I'm proud of you, Bender. Sure, you lost. You lost bad. But the important thing is I beat up someone who hurt my feelings in high school.

##vote Meinberg

Two reasons.

First, his use of the vig was scummy. He didn't attempt to discern player alignment before using it, he just saw a player he could shoot with no blowback and did it.

Second, this post just comes across as awkward and an attempt to say something without actually getting involved in the game.

Meinberg posted:

A Sunday deadline? Why I never!

Things have been pretty quiet, so I don't have any new thoughts, but I'll think real hard, and try to come up with something.

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now


fiery_valkyrie posted:

So your case on JJ is that he didn't immediately double down on his D1 claim that Opop was 100% scum?
It's not doubling down, it's being consistent. Had Ernie survived the night, you'd better believe I'd be voting for him today, especially since there was a sabotage.

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back


Grimey Drawer

fiery_valkyrie posted:

##vote Meinberg

Two reasons.

First, his use of the vig was scummy. He didn't attempt to discern player alignment before using it, he just saw a player he could shoot with no blowback and did it.

Second, this post just comes across as awkward and an attempt to say something without actually getting involved in the game.

That sounds fairly normal for Meinberg to me?

fiery_valkyrie
Mar 26, 2003

I'm proud of you, Bender. Sure, you lost. You lost bad. But the important thing is I beat up someone who hurt my feelings in high school.

Who do you think is scum then?

Dr. Hurt
Oct 23, 2010





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t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010


hurt's scum

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits



Yeah, and a beautiful human to boot.

Dr. Hurt
Oct 23, 2010




lmao

Peta
Dec 26, 2011



##vote Monathin

EXAKT Science
Aug 14, 2012

8 on the Kinsey scale


Somberbrero posted:

Yeah, and a beautiful human to boot.

A beautiful corpse, more like

Dugong
Mar 18, 2013

I don't know what to do,
I'm going to lose my mind



Whoops Ecco. I thought I had caught you out on something but in my just woke up state now I realise I was just calling you out on something... and then agreeing with it. My bad.

Dugong
Mar 18, 2013

I don't know what to do,
I'm going to lose my mind



HiipFire posted:

I was just telling you your math was a bit off.

I feel exclusively hunting for scum in the volcano group is good, because the people in the volcano group were also some of the most active so we'll be able to get the best reads from them(I'll go and write cases tomorrow) and the entire eliminate 6 means that the last 1 is guaranteed scum thing.

Nope, you're making assumptions. 3p may have motivation to not support. Ignoring the majority of the players in this game isn't smart.

What if people didn't volunteer just so they could pull this tactic today?

Puntification
Nov 4, 2009

Black Orthodontromancy
The most British Magic



Fun Shoe

Monathin posted:

Got my role and I am in fact the volcano.

The volcano is a separate entity from the island because

Was this a serious claim and are you the same volcano that the event was centred around?

Peta
Dec 26, 2011



Puntification posted:

Was this a serious claim and are you the same volcano that the event was centred around?

Just vote him dude

Retro Futurist
Aug 8, 2007

Yesterday's Tomorrow,
Today!




merk posted:

Ecco, how am I phoning it in when yesterday I caught the Serial Killer?

Hey I don't know if anyone else say this but this is a baaaddd post

Puntification
Nov 4, 2009

Black Orthodontromancy
The most British Magic



Fun Shoe

Hey somb, do you still think dugong is scum?

Peta posted:

Just vote him dude

Eh, I'd say he seems more awkward than scummy at the moment.

However,

bowmore posted:

I agree with this

##vote Ernie

bowmore posted:

I could go Ixt
I feel bowmore is trying pretty hard to fly just under the radar, expressing a desire not to die when vig targets were discussed without really contributing to the discussion and agreeing with other peoples' cases on the vote-leaders are basically all that he's done so far. Let's: ##vote bowmore

Also what are the chances in other peoples' opinions of town getting both a day and a night vig in a game this size (with an SK too)? I'm thinking meinberg may be worth scrutinising as well, if he is a bad dude there's the possibility that he's got more than the one-shot he claimed and that could come back to haunt us.

I'm off to bed now.

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011


Puntification posted:

Was this a serious claim and are you the same volcano that the event was centred around?

Man if I had known that there was going to be an actual volcano event I would have claimed I was a psychic instead.

(No, it wasnt serious, I was helping run the jokes on that page into the ground.)

Ixtlilton
Mar 10, 2012

How to Draw
by Rube Goldberg



I'm tired and have to be up early but I'll give the game a real read tomorrow with how I'm alive and stuff and there's content.

Peta
Dec 26, 2011



Hi Monathin.

Peta posted:

Monathin have you read any forum Mafia games and/or wikis

Don't be a gently caress; answer this question!

The Science of Suck
Mar 17, 2009


monathin i would also still like to know why you felt it necessary to mention you had secret hunches and whether or not you can reveal the secret hunches yet

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011


Peta posted:

Hi Monathin.


Don't be a gently caress; answer this question!

Ive been reading the goon mafia wiki off and on as there are some terms I'm unfamiliar with that you guys use, though the basic stuff is still more or less clear to me. I'm slowly getting the hang of it, though.

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop


Votecount for Day 2

Mad Rancher (2): merk, EccoRaven
Monathin (2): The Science of Suck, Peta
EccoRaven (1): merk, merk, Somberbrero
bowmore (1): Puntification
Meinberg (1): fiery_valkyrie

Not Voting (12): Asiina, AtrociousToaster, bowmore, Dugong, EXAKT Science, HiipFire, Ixtlilton, Mad Rancher, Meinberg, Monathin, Opopanax, Tremendous Taste

With 19 alive, it's 10 votes to lynch. The current deadline is November 21st, 2014 at 10 p.m. EST -- that's in about 2 days, 9 hours.

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011


Also my secret hunches basically boiled down to Ecco being too overambitious to scumhunt, but I think those are kind of a moot point since it seems like Ecco was being earnest. I didn't really want to jump into it because I wasn't really prepared enough to have a conversation, but it probably didnt need saying. I'm also on my phone which makes things a bit harder.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


Monathin posted:

Ive been reading the goon mafia wiki off and on as there are some terms I'm unfamiliar with that you guys use, though the basic stuff is still more or less clear to me. I'm slowly getting the hang of it, though.

Who do you think is scum, Mona?

preview edit:

Monathin posted:

Also my secret hunches basically boiled down to Ecco being too overambitious to scumhunt, but I think those are kind of a moot point since it seems like Ecco was being earnest. I didn't really want to jump into it because I wasn't really prepared enough to have a conversation, but it probably didnt need saying. I'm also on my phone which makes things a bit harder.

Do you consider your previous feelings on Ecco invalid, since he was casing a not-town but not-mafia player? If so, why? Do you have any thoughts on my posts about Ecco? Who are you going to vote today?

Puntification
Nov 4, 2009

Black Orthodontromancy
The most British Magic



Fun Shoe

Hey somber, did you see my question to you?

Dugong
Mar 18, 2013

I don't know what to do,
I'm going to lose my mind



The Science of Suck posted:

monathin i would also still like to know why you felt it necessary to mention you had secret hunches and whether or not you can reveal the secret hunches yet

What are your secret hunches then? My top choice to lynch is still Hiip but Meinberg has used his vig and disappeared.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


Puntification posted:

Hey somber, did you see my question to you?

I did, but I forgot. Let me review.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


Somberbrero posted:

I did, but I forgot. Let me review.

Probably. He contributed to a no-lynch yesterday and is ignoring a lot of the relevant content today to push a non-starter.

That seems standard for the game so far, though. I feel like the town isn't communicating well.

Dugong
Mar 18, 2013

I don't know what to do,
I'm going to lose my mind



^the joint vote leader is JJ and while it is a good case, town not communicating is highlighted by merk voting and then disappearing. Yeah he is in the champions game but it doesn't leave much to talk about.

Puntification
Nov 4, 2009

Black Orthodontromancy
The most British Magic



Fun Shoe

Somberbrero posted:

Probably. He contributed to a no-lynch yesterday and is ignoring a lot of the relevant content today to push a non-starter.

That seems standard for the game so far, though. I feel like the town isn't communicating well.

If I could lynch everyone who didn't bother voting/turning up yesterday I would but it's probably not the best strategy. In his defence though I don't really care to lynch any of the people involved in the major arguments of today either, ecco's too abrasive for his own good but not scummy imo and the cases on JJ and monathin aren't great so I can't blame him for pushing someone else, not least cos I'd be willing to go back to Hiipfire myself if no one has any interest in lynching bowmore. This of course would put hiipfire joint leader at the moment, so he's no more a non-starter than the rest of them.

I think one of our major problems is we've had a lot of promises for rereads and cases and very little delivery on that front, the other major problem is players not even bothering to do that.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


I feel pretty confident in Ecco as scum. I will point you to this.

EccoRaven posted:

didn't read your post somber never will AITCH-TEE-AITCH

When would Ecco ever pass up an opportunity to legitimately berate someone who was wrong? Ecco loves to agonize over semantics, as evidenced by the past couple pages. The easiest way to deal with a compelling argument as scum is just to ignore it.

The thing about bowmore is that non-activity is fairly typical with him. I don't disagree with your assessment, it's just not a very interesting vote.

Dugong posted:

^the joint vote leader is JJ and while it is a good case, town not communicating is highlighted by merk voting and then disappearing. Yeah he is in the champions game but it doesn't leave much to talk about.

If it's a good case, why aren't you voting with it?

Opopanax posted:

Hey I don't know if anyone else say this but this is a baaaddd post

Can you expand on that? I don't get it. Because he's taking credit for catching the SK? Ecco has been doing much the same, but with a Survivor.

The Science of Suck
Mar 17, 2009


Dugong posted:

What are your secret hunches then? My top choice to lynch is still Hiip but Meinberg has used his vig and disappeared.

i never said i had secret hunches, unlike our friend monathin

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now


Somberbrero posted:

When would Ecco ever pass up an opportunity to legitimately berate someone who was wrong?
When you started off your post saying more stupid crap about the ratios argument and I threw my hands in the air and said "gently caress it." Duh.

Also, rude.

Somberbrero posted:

The easiest way to deal with a compelling argument as scum is just to ignore it.
True but I really doubt it's compelling, if it was anything like the posts leading up to it.

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now


Puntification posted:

I think one of our major problems is we've had a lot of promises for rereads and cases and very little delivery on that front, the other major problem is players not even bothering to do that.

What's happening is players, aware the setup is unorthodox, rather than rallying together and trying their hardest, are preemptively giving up. "We can't make connections," they're telling themselves, "so what's the point?"

This is because players are terrible but unfortunately it only takes a few to spoil it for the rest of us.
Posts like this, e.g.:

Ixtlilton posted:

Nope, I have no solid opinions. And guess what? That doesn't matter in this game, the scum don't know each other.

The Science of Suck
Mar 17, 2009


people won't play how i want them to

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Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


EccoRaven posted:

When you started off your post saying more stupid crap about the ratios argument and I threw my hands in the air and said "gently caress it." Duh.

Also, rude.

True but I really doubt it's compelling, if it was anything like the posts leading up to it.

You're ignoring my posts because you don't care what I have to say or you're scum. I guess the distinction doesn't really matter.

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