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Arsonist Daria
Feb 27, 2011

Requiescat in pace.


I never put Insurrection as low as Nemesis, simply because Insurrection can be so easily ignored. The stakes are so low, everything is so cheap, it's really drat stupid, but you can tune it out effortlessly should you ever have to see it. While parts of it are outright terrible, too, the majority of the film is just like... plain oatmeal.

Nemesis, conceptually, could have been strong. I mean, it probably was never gonna be great, but it could have at least been around First Contact good. But everything goes loving wrong with it, over and over, in ways so absurd you'd think anyone could see something was deeply wrong. It's such a botch job you'd almost think it was on purpose.

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kalensc
Sep 10, 2003

Only Trust Your Respirator, kupo!
Art/Quote by: Rubby


Insurrection was tame, and a letdown coming after First Contact, but if you had shot exactly that script in 1992 as a two-parter it would have been solid Trek.

Well, manual steering and stuff would be dumb, but the core of the movie would have worked fine.

Nemesis was just :stare: through and through.

kalensc fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Jul 22, 2016

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO


Nemesis I still don't understand.

Blood and cloning r something? If they had just remade Lifeforce as a Star Trek movie it would have been much better.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Is Nemesis responsible for Tom Hardy's acting career? If so it gave us that at least

enigmahfc
Oct 10, 2003

EFF TEE DUB!!
EFF TEE DUB!!

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Is Nemesis responsible for Fat Data? If so it gave us that at least

How I see things

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost




The Vosgian Beast posted:

Is Nemesis responsible for Tom Hardy's acting career? If so it gave us that at least

In the sense its failure drove him into a spiral of depression and alcoholism that he had to pull himself out of with acting, yes it is.

well why not
Feb 9, 2009





Basically :

quote:

Baird didn't have a background in Star Trek; he was aware of the films and television series but didn't consider himself to be an expert on the subject

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Despite Frakes being on the cast, and having directed the previous two Star Trek films, Baird decided not to seek his opinion on the direction of the film. He said that there was resentment on set, as Frakes was completing work on directing the film Clockstoppers as production on Nemesis began

quote:

Berman has stated that about 50 minutes worth of scenes were filmed, but cut (though not necessarily all of them were usable in a final form)

quote:

He wanted to add energy to the actions scenes and added some scenes, such as the car chase. He called that scene a "signature piece" for the film which turns dark after the crew is put in danger by the inhabitants of the planet.

quote:

Actors LeVar Burton (Geordi La Forge) and Marina Sirtis (Deanna Troi) have spoken critically of director Stuart Baird, criticizing him for not watching any of the episodes of The Next Generation.[24] Sirtis has bluntly called Baird "an idiot."[25] Jonathan Frakes, while praising both the character of Shinzon and actor Tom Hardy (who played the role), said that if he himself had directed, as he had done with the previous two Trek films, he would have made the film less villain-centric and given more screen time to the regular The Next Generation cast.[26]

All from wiki. I'm sure memory alpha has a lot more thorough explanations of what went wrong. From what I've seen online, it was a mess from conception.

Crowetron
Apr 29, 2009



Mojo Threepwood posted:

I did like when they were discussing a worse version of Mos Eisley and Eric slipped in "Mos Epsa." That was a deep cut.

It's little moments like this one that make me feel a little better about how much of my brain is still occupied with Star Wars EU trivia.

e X
Feb 23, 2013

cool but crude


Honestly, First Contact is not all that great either. It has some pretty great ideas, especially the Borg invasion of the Enterprise, but that storyline and the one about First Contact clearly should have been separated movies.

Arsonist Daria
Feb 27, 2011

Requiescat in pace.


e X posted:

Honestly, First Contact is not all that great either. It has some pretty great ideas, especially the Borg invasion of the Enterprise, but that storyline and the one about First Contact clearly should have been separated movies.

First Contact is fine, even if it's a bit schlocky. Also a movie just about the Borg taking over the Enterprise would be a complete waste, they had much higher stakes than that on the show.

DoubleCakes
Jan 14, 2015



Not long after WHM covered it, it's the tenth anniversary of Lady In The Water and pop culture podcast Thirty Twenty Ten namedropped We Hate Movies when LITW was brought up in this weeks episode. We even got a similar Giamatti impression.

I feel real sorry for Paul Giamatti. Everyone treats him like a huge dork when he actually seems pretty cool.

Unmature
May 9, 2008


DoubleCakes posted:

I feel real sorry for Paul Giamatti. Everyone treats him like a huge dork when he actually seems pretty cool.

It's just fun to lampoon his penchant for playing sadsack characters. No one thinks he's like that, it's just funny because he plays a lot of Harvey Pekar-esque characters.

The Duke
May 18, 2004

The Angel from my Nightmare



Unmature posted:

It's just fun to lampoon his penchant for playing sadsack characters. No one thinks he's like that, it's just funny because he plays a lot of Harvey Pekar-esque characters.

American Splendor is a loving great movie

well why not
Feb 9, 2009





Con Air is up! WHM + Nic Cage marries two of my greatest joys. This one's a total We Love Movies.

Young Freud
Nov 25, 2006



I listened to the Final Frontier episode this week and have to say the moment that Eric suddenly goes into McCoy reciting the lyrics to "Nookie" was one of the most hilarious things I've heard from this show.

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016
Probation
Can't post for 3900 days!


I'm glad that they were pretty cold on Con Air because I've never really gotten the love that movie gets. They're absolutely on-point about how the movie is too rapey and edgy to be breezy fun but too stupid and Bay-aping to be serious so it's mostly just uncomfortable and gross aside from a few standout moments.

Croisquessein
Feb 25, 2005

invisible or nonexistent, and should be treated as such


New character, John Cellphone, joins Eric Movie and Charles Cinemax III in the "out of nowhere" club.

Unmature
May 9, 2008


Croisquessein posted:

New character, John Cellphone, joins Eric Movie and Charles Cinemax III in the "out of nowhere" club.

Pretty sure it's a camp, not a club.

Brocktoon
Jul 18, 2006

Before we engage we should hang back and study their tactics.


Croisquessein posted:

New character, John Cellphone, joins Eric Movie and Charles Cinemax III in the "out of nowhere" club.

MARTIN Cinemax III

sub supau
Aug 27, 2007



Paul W. Reddit posted:

MARTIN Cinemax III

The Twinkie Czar
Dec 31, 2004
I went for super stud.

The last time they mentioned Hell on Wheels I was curious, because I was still really enjoying the first season. I finished season 2 this week and I'm done. Three more seasons? You can keep it.

Kind of like Paul Giamatti, I feel real sorry for Colm Meaney. His characters are easy to make fun of but it seems like he's had a good career.

well why not
Feb 9, 2009





Honestly I think he's had a great career considering it's spun from mostly TV spots and a recurring role on early TNG. Things ended up a bit differently, O'Brien would've been mentioned in the same breath as Chief Engineer Argyle or Assistant Chief Engineer Shimoba.

well why not fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Jul 29, 2016

Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."



Listening to Con Air made me realise....the show is better when Andrew is angry?

Baka-nin
Jan 25, 2015



well why not posted:

Honestly I think he's had a great career considering it's spun from mostly TV spots and a recurring role on early TNG. Things ended up a bit differently, O'Brien would've been mentioned in the same breath as Chief Engineer Argyle or Assistant Chief Engineer Shimoba.

Not really, he was already an accomplished actor with several leading roles in the UK and Ireland before he got the gig on TNG. Funnily enough most of his big roles before he was Chief O'Brien, a kind work horse of a man, had him playing villains and bullies. He was also a secondary villain in Under Siege.

Young Freud
Nov 25, 2006



Baka-nin posted:

Not really, he was already an accomplished actor with several leading roles in the UK and Ireland before he got the gig on TNG. Funnily enough most of his big roles before he was Chief O'Brien, a kind work horse of a man, had him playing villains and bullies. He was also a secondary villain in Under Siege.

Yeah, he's in Layer Cake as one of Daniel Craig's associates.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die


Grimey Drawer

Yeah he was a pretty good heavy back in the day. It's kind of weird to see it though, like seeing Red from "That 70s Show" as a heavy in Robocop and Total Recall.

Illinois Smith
Nov 15, 2003

Ninety-one? There are ninety other "Tiger Drivers"? Do any involve actual tigers, or driving?


YES, seeing Kurtwood Smith pop up as a villain in anything still gives me a good chuckle. Same with Norm from Fargo, whose real name I always forget.

ravenkult
Feb 3, 2011




New mailbag is loving amazing.

DangerDummy!
Jul 6, 2009



Josef K. Sourdust posted:

Listening to Con Air made me realise....the show is better when Andrew is angry?

I wasn't getting into this episode too much, then Big Daddy talk happened and everything was a-okay.

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008



Is it just me, or has Chris been really quiet these past two episodes? I'm guessing he's just out of practice with the whole group-riffing thing.

well why not
Feb 9, 2009





I'm not convinced that the procedure was 100% successful.

JT Smiley
Mar 3, 2006
Thats whats up!

ravenkult posted:

New mailbag is loving amazing.

I loved Andrew's power trip story, I've totally been that rear end in a top hat before.

ghost emoji
Mar 11, 2016

oooOooOOOooh


ravenkult posted:

New mailbag is loving amazing.

That deadpan "very nice" every time someone mentions Borat gets me every time.

enigmahfc
Oct 10, 2003

EFF TEE DUB!!
EFF TEE DUB!!

"And that's the story of how I saw U-571 in the theaters."

We've all been there, man; I say Star Trek: Nemesis...on purpose.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously



That was a fantastic mailbag, best part was Eric being escorted by security to see Keeping the Faith, and the theater posting a guard outside to make sure he stayed in there.

Will be interesting to see what their Patreon looks like, might have animation damnation stretch goals or something.

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016
Probation
Can't post for 3900 days!


Mojo Threepwood posted:

That was a fantastic mailbag, best part was Eric being escorted by security to see Keeping the Faith, and the theater posting a guard outside to make sure he stayed in there.

Columbine made a lot of movie theaters go pants-on-head crazy about underage people seeing R-rated movies, and they never really loosened up afterward.

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost




Their first vacation live show is up, Predator 2. Any episode with Gary Busey leads to good times.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D1AVDFp3l0

The traveler has come (17 seconds in)

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


How is the sound quality?

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Brocktoon
Jul 18, 2006

Before we engage we should hang back and study their tactics.


I can't listen to their Gary Busey impression without picturing Holly Hunter.

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