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thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

I'll also say that there was a nonzero chance that Optimus could have died in that movie. I mean, he died in the animated movie, so there's precedent for it.

I mean, that chance then would be like 5%, but if you're a "fan" of the franchise (god help you), I can see something in the back of your mind saying, "Well, I've seen him die before, so maybe...?"

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The Deleter
May 22, 2010


Optimus has died and ressurected more times than Jesus. It's basically his deal. Big red truck, freedom, dies a lot.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

The Deleter posted:

Optimus has died and ressurected more times than Jesus. It's basically his deal. Big red truck, freedom, dies a lot.

Sure, but I thought he stayed died for quite a while after the animated movie? Like, for the purposes of the movie he was straight up dead. And then for a while after that in the show.

Did he come back in that incarnation of the show? Or not until Beast Wars? (Transformers "canon" is so weird to try to follow.)

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008

DON'T DOUBLE DOWN ON YOUR STUPID SHIT JUST CAUSE YOU THINK IT'S FUNNY. YOU MAKE STUPID FUCKING DECISIONS ALL THE TIME THEN DOUBLE DOWN LIKE A PETULANT CHILD. GOD I FUCKING HATE YOU SO MUCH SOMETIMES.

Optimus has contempt for humans since the first movie I dunno why he even gives a poo poo about the planet. I know the writers strike happened during the second one but making 2 robots super racist is beyond comprehension. Like nobody watched that for 2 seconds in a screening and raised their hand? What in the gently caress?

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


I hope they watch the animated movie, it would be interesting to see their take on it after surviving the rest

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

thrawn527 posted:

Sure, but I thought he stayed died for quite a while after the animated movie? Like, for the purposes of the movie he was straight up dead. And then for a while after that in the show.

Did he come back in that incarnation of the show? Or not until Beast Wars? (Transformers "canon" is so weird to try to follow.)

Beast Wars actually takes place before Transformers due to time travel shenanigans. So Optimus Prime is there, he's just in stasis lock (robot coma), and even then he almost dies. I don't know much about Transformers outside of Beast Wars but I do recall it basically being that Optimus gets killed off in the movie, then he gets brought back at the end of the season of the TV series following said movie due to fan backlash.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


Angry_Ed posted:

Beast Wars actually takes place before Transformers due to time travel shenanigans. So Optimus Prime is there, he's just in stasis lock (robot coma), and even then he almost dies. I don't know much about Transformers outside of Beast Wars but I do recall it basically being that Optimus gets killed off in the movie, then he gets brought back at the end of the season of the TV series following said movie due to fan backlash.

When I was 6, seeing Optimus Prime die was devastating.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Angry_Ed posted:

Beast Wars actually takes place before Transformers due to time travel shenanigans. So Optimus Prime is there, he's just in stasis lock (robot coma), and even then he almost dies. I don't know much about Transformers outside of Beast Wars but I do recall it basically being that Optimus gets killed off in the movie, then he gets brought back at the end of the season of the TV series following said movie due to fan backlash.

Well that's somewhat better than the animated G.I. Joe movie, that killed Duke when you saw it in the theater, and then on the home video release, freeze framed on his face as he "died" and had a voice over saying something like, "He's gone into a coma!" And then when everyone is cheering at the end that they won, someone over a loud speaker (out of loving nowhere, because I'm pretty sure they were in the enemy's cave base) someone says, "And Duke is gonna be okay!"

At least that's my hazy memory of how that went down.

edit: Hmm, Wikipedia tells me I'm wrong and that the original script did this, but by the time the movie came out, it was always the same version. Just that the film makers filmed it so "[If] you watch the visuals and don't listen to the soundtrack, it's obvious Duke dies." I must have heard this story and added actually seeing it in my head as some weird false memory.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


I'm pretty sure the only edits made between the theatrical and home video version of Transformers: The Movie is an "Oh poo poo!" and a "dammit" were removed.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006



I remember the DVD had the "Oh poo poo!" because my friend and I rewound that part a bunch.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Iron Crowned posted:

I'm pretty sure the only edits made between the theatrical and home video version of Transformers: The Movie is an "Oh poo poo!" and a "dammit" were removed.

That animated movie was great. They were killing Transformers left and right. Big characters too!

I know it was just to clear the way for new Transformers, to make new toys. But holy poo poo, Ironhide dying in the first 5 minutes blew me away as a kid! Then Optimus Prime, dead. Starscream, dead. Megatron, mostly kinda dead? And others I'm forgetting.

That movie was the poo poo.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?


thrawn527 posted:

That animated movie was great. They were killing Transformers left and right. Big characters too!

I know it was just to clear the way for new Transformers, to make new toys. But holy poo poo, Ironhide dying in the first 5 minutes blew me away as a kid! Then Optimus Prime, dead. Starscream, dead. Megatron, mostly kinda dead? And others I'm forgetting.

That movie was the poo poo.

Orson Welles? Dead

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

bobkatt013 posted:

Orson Welles? Dead

...ouch. I mean, true, but still.

enigmahfc
Oct 10, 2003

'splode!



bobkatt013 posted:

Orson Welles? Dead

Leonard Nemoy? Dead
Robert Stack? Dead
Scatman Crothers? Dead
Lionel Stander? Dead
Judd Nelson('s career): Dead

The Deleter
May 22, 2010


The movies could have done with the same tactic. Lady robots are cool. Why don't we get to hang with the lady robots? Get rid of Ratchet, nobody cares about him. The character bloat is ridiculous. The second movie has Sideswipe, the magic rollerskating bot, for like ten minutes. Get him in! You only really need Optimus, Bumblebee, Megatron and Starscream, and swap the cast around them. You get to sell new toys! We get to have focus on these things for more than a few seconds.

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!



The Deleter posted:

Get rid of Ratchet, nobody cares about him.

Doesn't he die in 4?

...what have I done with my life

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?


enigmahfc posted:

Leonard Nemoy? Dead
Robert Stack? Dead
Scatman Crothers? Dead
Lionel Stander? Dead
Judd Nelson('s career): Dead

Yeah but how many of them had their last movie be a transformer movie?

enigmahfc
Oct 10, 2003

'splode!



bobkatt013 posted:

Yeah but how many of them had their last movie be a transformer movie?

I just think that we all need to look out for Eric Idle, that's all.

The Deleter
May 22, 2010


GrandpaPants posted:

Doesn't he die in 4?

...what have I done with my life

I don't know, I didn't watch past two and some disjointed clips of three.

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!



bobkatt013 posted:

Yeah but how many of them had their last movie be a transformer movie?

I hope Anthony Hopkins does something fantastic after Last Knight

I hope Mark Wahlberg does not.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?


GrandpaPants posted:

I hope Anthony Hopkins does something fantastic after Last Knight

I hope Mark Wahlberg does not.

Boogie Nights two. Keep on skating.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO


bobkatt013 posted:

Boogie Nights two. Keep on skating.

Dirk Gets His Groove Back

Also, surprised they didnt mention the old robot drag chute fart.

Pops Mgee
Aug 20, 2009

This is the worst day of my life.


GrandpaPants posted:

I hope Anthony Hopkins does something fantastic after Last Knight

I hope Mark Wahlberg does not.

Thor 3 looks neat. He's still in there right?

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Pops Mgee posted:

Thor 3 looks neat. He's still in there right?

Presumably, since the movie is supposed to start with Thor and Loki looking for him. I suppose it's possible they don't find him.

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008



Oh man the new Animation Damnation gets into the hosed up world of human-Transformers romance

DoubleCakes
Jan 14, 2015



I really wish that the Transformers films were directed by anyone other than Bay. Even if they were just disposable popcorn flicks, they'd at least be watchable. I have only seen the first two and its been years but listening to these episodes reminds me how painfully unentertaining these films are. If the TF movies had the quality of something like Pacific Rim I would be completely content.

I never saw the third and only saw bits of the fourth but apparently the fourth one is a little better than the others?

enigmahfc
Oct 10, 2003

'splode!



DoubleCakes posted:

the quality of something like Pacific Rim ...

Does not compute

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Pacific Rim was a movie where I spent the entire time going "Wow, I really wish I enjoyed this more than I do".

Except for Charlie Day channeling Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters. That poo poo was great.

Other people seem to view it as a religious experience and a feminist masterpiece, so perhaps I am missing something though.

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016
Probation
Can't post for 4032 days!


Goddam Millennial robits with their nine dollar cups of gasoline

Evil Mastermind posted:

Also, I got a chuckle at this after this week's episode where they mention the female Transformer getting killed:


The Transformers wiki loses a lot of its humor when you learn that one of its biggest contributors is creepy goonlord who makes a living selling porn of a talking car he invented as a child.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Guy Mann posted:

The Transformers wiki loses a lot of its humor when you learn that one of its biggest contributors is creepy goonlord who makes a living selling porn of a talking car he invented as a child.

Man I'd make a living doing that if I could get away with it.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO


So if this latest micheal bay movie is the last transformers movie, how long till we can expect a reboot or something? 25 years? Will Bay be too old to direct by then?

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost




Guy Mann posted:

Goddam Millennial robits with their nine dollar cups of gasoline


The Transformers wiki loses a lot of its humor when you learn that one of its biggest contributors is creepy goonlord who makes a living selling porn of a talking car he invented as a child.

That's certainly one way to describe him.

secretly best girl
Mar 27, 2007

I see you choosing that other route. How dare you.

MariusLecter posted:

So if this latest micheal bay movie is the last transformers movie, how long till we can expect a reboot or something? 25 years? Will Bay be too old to direct by then?

The thing they've said is "it's the last one Bay is doing". I think at least one person at the studio is gonna try going on after he leaves unless they end this in apocalyptic ways.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 11, 2015

by Cyrano4747


The Vosgian Beast posted:

Pacific Rim was a movie where I spent the entire time going "Wow, I really wish I enjoyed this more than I do".

Except for Charlie Day channeling Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters. That poo poo was great.

Other people seem to view it as a religious experience and a feminist masterpiece, so perhaps I am missing something though.

Charlie Day was pretty much the highlight, yeah.

For other people's reactions: there's sort of an inverse bell curve of how much you'll like Pacific Rim based on how much you like mecha anime. If it's not your thing at all, you'll hate Pacific Rim because it's Literally Getter Robo and Getter Robo is pretty much the ur-mecha anime, not only creating almost all of the genre's cliches but turning them up to eleven (Giant Robo/Gigantor and Mazinger Z predate it, and Mazinger is similar in many respects, but PR draws mainly from Getter). If you're into it, but not super knowledgeable about it, it'll basically set your world on fire because holy poo poo they made a live-action super robot movie, this is amazing. If you're a huge mecha nerd, you'll probably hate it because it's Literally Getter Robo and you've already loving seen Getter Robo, multiple times across various incarnations even.

enigmahfc
Oct 10, 2003

'splode!



LORD OF BOOTY posted:

Charlie Day was pretty much the highlight, yeah.

For other people's reactions: there's sort of an inverse bell curve of how much you'll like Pacific Rim based on how much you like mecha anime. If it's not your thing at all, you'll hate Pacific Rim because it's Literally Getter Robo and Getter Robo is pretty much the ur-mecha anime, not only creating almost all of the genre's cliches but turning them up to eleven (Giant Robo/Gigantor and Mazinger Z predate it, and Mazinger is similar in many respects, but PR draws mainly from Getter). If you're into it, but not super knowledgeable about it, it'll basically set your world on fire because holy poo poo they made a live-action super robot movie, this is amazing. If you're a huge mecha nerd, you'll probably hate it because it's Literally Getter Robo and you've already loving seen Getter Robo, multiple times across various incarnations even.

I was just amazed at how bored I was at watching giant robots punching each other. That describes Pacific Rim and all the Transformers movies, by the way.

The Deleter
May 22, 2010


Pacific Rim was fun and good. Giant robots and Charlie Day. Whoever said it was a masterpiece of feminism is an idiot but it's not shoving cameras up women's assholes or violently murdering them so on that basis alone it's infinitley more watchable than Transformers.

JT Smiley
Mar 3, 2006
Thats whats up!

The Deleter posted:

Pacific Rim was fun and good. Giant robots and Charlie Day. Whoever said it was a masterpiece of feminism is an idiot but it's not shoving cameras up women's assholes or violently murdering them so on that basis alone it's infinitley more watchable than Transformers.

I refuse to believe anyone has ever said that. There's like one woman in the entire movie and she does and says next to nothing.

Midnight Raider
Apr 26, 2010



enigmahfc posted:

I was just amazed at how bored I was at watching giant robots punching each other. That describes Pacific Rim and all the Transformers movies, by the way.

I gave points to Pacific Rim for having their combat scenes being infinitely easier to follow. Transformers did have some nice moments, but there was also a lot of "swirling tornado of generic gray robot parts I can barely make heads or tails of".

JT Smiley posted:

I refuse to believe anyone has ever said that. There's like one woman in the entire movie and she does and says next to nothing.

In this climate of maximum hyperbole I'm willing to believe both sides of that argument are willing to scream it to the heavens that it was either the most feminist thing ever or the total opposite.

I just looked at Mako's place in the movie and actually having some kind of notable character arc as being just a big ball of okay in that regard.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

JT Smiley posted:

I refuse to believe anyone has ever said that. There's like one woman in the entire movie and she does and says next to nothing.

That was my reaction too, but fandom just kinda gave the whole thing a gigantic Pacific Rimjob the moment it was released

https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/fandom/mako-mori-test-bechdel-pacific-rim/ http://remedios-varo.kinja.com/a-feminist-defense-of-pacific-rim-1504593756

I mean it's not Transformers level bad in regards to feminism and is on the upper-level of Hollywood action films as far as women characters go, but man did people deify that movie.

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Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016
Probation
Can't post for 4032 days!


Pacific Rim was mostly just boring. Like, I don't understand how the people who criticize the Transformers movies for focusing too much on the humans and not enough on the robot action are perfectly fine with Pacific Rim having only three big robot fight scenes and instead being mostly training montages, flashbacks, and inter-team drama broken up with the loud comic relief characters running around and yelling a lot.

Also people complain about the fight scenes in Transformers being incomprehensible due to the busy designs of the robots and the constant distracting "Bayhem" going on at all times but the Pacific Rim fight scenes all take place at night and are murky and poorly lit, the first one being a shoving match in waist-deep ocean water in the middle of a storm and the climax being literally underwater with everyone moving in slow motion in the middle of sand they keep kicking up when they move.

It's OK To Like A Movie and all but I feel like half of the goodwill people have towards Pacific Rim is because the creator is a fat hairy manchild and not a "dumb jock" like they imagine Michael Bay is.

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