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Just finished Black Museum and the season. I thought it was pretty cool. Had a sort of campy feel to it, like the old Creepshow movies with a bunch of different stories told by that scummy hustler. I know they really rehashed the sentient code idea, but the guy having his wife's consciousness in his head and his new girlfriend working to get rid of her was a neat take on it. The ridiculousness of the Doctor using a power drill on a homeless dude and the old white guys paying to torture the prisoner was fun too. This episode was all about fan service. I want a souvenir. As far as first impressions go: 1.) Metalhead 2.) USS Callister 3.) Black Museum 4.) Crocodile 5.) Hang the DJ 6.) Arkangel I'll be rewatching for sure so I'm sure that will change. I didn't actually care for Shut Up and Dance much until I had a second viewing of it, now it's one of my favorites.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Eh, Nosedive I could probably make a stronger argument for being bittersweet than I did for 15MM. She's free of the system that ran her (and everyone else's) life, bother literally in that they took away all the stuff that ties her to the social network, and emotionally in that she's stopped caring about it all anyway, but she's also in prison and when she gets out she'll be a complete outcast from society. It's certainly less unambiguously happy than San Junipero. Again, for Nosedive I'd like to repeat my theory the man from the jail cell and her end up dating. It seemed like flirty anger to me. quote:Quoting this for posterity because you're going to realize this is funnier than you meant it to be by the end. I just paused Hang the DJ as he peeks at the expiry date. I'm guessing he hosed it by peeking and now he's the .001 that don't match? PS this is all a simulation run while the real selves go off and work? Putting in my chit now, let's see if I'm any good... time is 35:19 in
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maskenfreiheit posted:Again, for Nosedive I'd like to repeat my theory the man from the jail cell and her end up dating. It seemed like flirty anger to me. Oh yeah, this definitely happens, I'm not debating that. Just that even with that their lives won't be GREAT when they get out.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Eh, Nosedive I could probably make a stronger argument for being bittersweet than I did for 15MM. She's free of the system that ran her (and everyone else's) life, bother literally in that they took away all the stuff that ties her to the social network, and emotionally in that she's stopped caring about it all anyway, but she's also in prison and when she gets out she'll be a complete outcast from society. It's certainly less unambiguously happy than San Junipero. It's a pretty loving happy ending. Her and the dude are having the time of their lives. The implication is that they'll be fine, after all, the trucker lady was fine.
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WampaLord posted:It's a pretty loving happy ending. Her and the dude are having the time of their lives. The implication is that they'll be fine, after all, the trucker lady was fine. I want to watch that again.
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Dec 30, 2017 05:20
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Oh yeah, this definitely happens, I'm not debating that. Just that even with that their lives won't be GREAT when they get out. Could you really call her old life great? I think she'll be much happier as a low rated outcast rather than having to constantly stress about her rating.
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Dec 30, 2017 05:21
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Realizing this season didn't have an episode based on current technology like The National Anthem or Shut Up and Dance. I guess Brooker didn't have a concept for one this time, but those are usually standouts.
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Supercar Gautier posted:Posts like this make me realize how possible Crocodile is. lelandjs posted:Yeah, what the gently caress. How the hell does someone watch Black Mirror and find themselves agreeing with the bad guys? Because gently caress insurance adjusters
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WampaLord posted:It's a pretty loving happy ending. Her and the dude are having the time of their lives. The implication is that they'll be fine, after all, the trucker lady was fine. Truckers often work in pairs. That way one can sleep while the other drives. It's not uncommon for these pairs to be married couples 
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Aw, I was so close for Hang the DJ.
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Nobody has mentioned Black Museum's obvious racial / lynching themes yet. Weakest was definitely Crocodile.
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Bullfrog posted:Nobody has mentioned Black Museum's obvious racial / lynching themes yet. Edit: That was overly-snarky, and I apologize.
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With regards to Metalhead I just figured the dogs were some sort of fire and forget autonomous weapon systems. Along the lines of you fill up a cargo plane with the cheeky buggers, drop a few pallets of them into 'enemy' territory and let them do a spot of depopulation work. Afterwards, they seek out hidey-holes and become an area denial weapon, ensuring that the 'enemy' can no longer make use of the territory that you have targeted. I mean I was kind of hoping that would wind up being outlined in the episode itself (like a crashed delivery system with destroyed dogs in racks or the reveal that the dog chasing her had a broad arrow stenciled on the side) but I still read it as the unspoken reality of the world they had built For rankings 1- USS Callister 2-Metalhead 3-Black Museum 4-Hang the DJ 5-Arkangel 6-Crocodile
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https://i.imgur.com/0zT4y.gifv
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DrVenkman posted:Also, regarding the end I feel like him dying was just this narrative convenience and didn't really make all that much sense. It feels as though they realised that if he just wakes up, he could do the whole thing again and had to get out of it. I agree, but the lollipop shows up as an exhibit in the Black Museum, so it's implied that the real world protagonist got the authorities involved at some point. Apparently not before he starves to death?
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Dec 30, 2017 06:42
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The TV IV > Black Mirror: Monkey Needs A Hug =(
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Watched the first two, enjoyed both. Callister: so many easter eggs and good nods! I can definitely see why they placed it first, especially considering it's hinting at a persistent Black Mirror universe with the same tech disks as San Junipiero and a lighter Nosedive app. That, plus offhand references to Wrath of Khan with Spock's death, I Have No Mouth and Must Scream with...no face, and the Borg with "assimilating DNA", made this into a fun episode that still had a scent of Black Mirror bleakness. Meth Damon is always welcome, and both me and the wife were relieved it didn't delve into a straight-up rape fantasy ("Star Fleet is wholesome!"). It was actually refreshingly conscious of the themes it presented and didn't overextend. As for some of you who think the coworkers needed an "attitude adjustment," what is wrong with you? e: maskenfreiheit posted:is it just me or did he gain some weight for this role? I don't remember him being able to pull off pudgy nerd. Back in the Breaking Bad days people called him Fat Damon. f#a# fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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LividLiquid posted:Nobody's mentioned them because they weren't a hidden puzzle. It was right there in the text. hahaha you're good friend, I can take it. But I appreciate the edit anyway. I agree with other posters that there is some level of a buildup to a coherent universe / lore which will be interesting to follow, but I think those connections will remain loose and fluid. The most obvious example is Black Museum and some of the exhibits included. The lollipop and DNA digital printer being the strongest example EDIT: VVVV yup, forgot about those ones, but yup. Bullfrog fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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The tablet from episode 2 is also in the museum, along with one of costumes from White Bear.
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[quote="f#a#" post=" As for some of you who think the coworkers needed an "attitude adjustment," what is wrong with you? [/quote] One of the  “victims” was the airline gate agent from nosedive.“Oh you wanted to fly to an important event? Sorry even though you paid, we’re not going to let you because you’re not popular enough - and I am personally going to take pleasure in sarcastically pretending to care. And now we’re going to bully you further for daring to express anger at this treatment.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrpK90bHO2U I guess we care more about the feelings of some program than those of a living, breathing human 
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Why did people dislike Arkangel? I felt it was one of the stronger ones this season. Sure, it was a twist on The Entire History Of You, but that surely can't be a flaw when comparing it to White Christmas But In Space, On Tinder or In Ripley's Believe It Or Not. I felt the mother's actions toed the line between "utterly horrifying" and "I would if I could" quite well. My only complaint was that it didn't go far enough. I felt she deserved to liberate herself by killing her mother, and that she should have reached out to her boyfriend after understanding why he fled from her. I also dug the weirdness of the world, between the mom not aging at all, the teen daughter being played by an obvious adult, and the grandpa flatly stating he was two thousand years old. A lot of the production details were nice too.
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maskenfreiheit posted:One of the They're clearly not the same character. There's no ratings in USS Callister and I doubt that a society so strongly based on the ratings system would be able to change so rapidly in the same timeframe to fit.
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Mameluke posted:Why did people dislike Arkangel? I felt it was one of the stronger ones this season. Sure, it was a twist on The Entire History Of You, but that surely can't be a flaw when comparing it to White Christmas But In Space, On Tinder or In Ripley's Believe It Or Not. I felt the mother's actions toed the line between "utterly horrifying" and "I would if I could" quite well. My only complaint was that it didn't go far enough. I felt she deserved to liberate herself by killing her mother, and that she should have reached out to her boyfriend after understanding why he fled from her. What is wrong with you? I felt it was good up until the face smashing The sudden crazy level of violence against her MOTHER was sooo disproportionate and honestly made it difficult to suspend disbelief
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Bullfrog posted:They're clearly not the same character. There's no ratings in USS Callister and I doubt that a society so strongly based on the ratings system would be able to change so rapidly in the same timeframe to fit. The woman at the front desk was using the rating app
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maskenfreiheit posted:What is wrong with you? I do agree that it could have been more strongly connected, but the filter had been a part of the daughter's life beforehand (and it was foreshadowed by that whole plot point) so it was adequately explained in-universe imo. maskenfreiheit posted:The woman at the front desk was using the rating app That felt more like an easter egg than a solid connection. However, it could be possible that USS Callister was first and then Nosedive came later. It just wouldn't make sense in reverse.
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Bullfrog posted:I do agree that it could have been more strongly connected, but the filter had been a part of the daughter's life beforehand (and it was foreshadowed by that whole plot point) so it was adequately explained in-universe imo. Given the break room convo, whether ratings came before or after she’s a bad person. 
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I've liked all three of the first episodes. I don't understand the complaints about Crocodile - it's just a Patricia Highsmith story with some Black Mirror tech. And loving lol at the idea that you can't believe a small woman could murder those people. You ever been been hit in the head before and tried to recover from it? "It's not even sexism", yah, okay  Callister has plot holes if you think too hard about the technology, but it's worth it for its open condemnation of the kind of Nice Guy who hates the receptionist for having a bad attitude. Everything about that guy was the right kind of creepy. The weakest was probably Arkangel. I wish they had focused a little more on how the filter stuff from her early life affected her. The seeds were there in some of her behavior, and I found that more interesting than the conflict with her mother. It was still good, though.
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KoRMaK posted:I need a gif from black meusuem of the eternal fun sized holographic screaming https://i.imgur.com/CxfxMC1.gif
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[extremely bob saget voice] well kids, it turns out the only person in the entire story to violate the non aggression principle was... Your mother.
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maskenfreiheit posted:[extremely bob saget voice] lol I'm glad she's still getting work, and she had all the best lines. "Stealing my pussy is a red loving line!"
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The most interesting unfilled thread in Callister is in the message they send: CALL CYBER POLICE
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re: Crocodile Insurance Lady It's very likely there is no such legal thing requiring people to take the test. Her "weeeell we would have to get the cops involved oh gosh darn it" line she gave was pure sales bullshit 101. Mia was plenty capable of killing every person she killed. The ex-drunk guy cracked his head off the floor and was stunned and basically helpless. The insurance lady was pinned in her car which is a terrible position to fight back from, and it looked like she was too panicked to fight at all. The guy in the tub was HIT IN THE HEAD WITH A HAMMER. If anything they were more realistic deaths than the ones you usually see in movies. People are pretty squishy. I liked Arkangel a lot from the future tech standpoint but this season didn't have one real standout episode that I can throw new watchers at. Probably rate them: 1 Arkangel 2 USS Callister 3 Hang the DJ 4 Black Museum 5 Crocodile 6 Metalhead Crocodile felt like it was too much of a murder mystery and not enough black mirror and Metalhead just seemed kind of pointless. I liked the actual dog but the plot on that one was... kinda lacking. It did have that moment at the very end when she realizes she's just hosed and won't get the beacons out in time that had that good old Black Mirror gutwrench but that was about it.
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maskenfreiheit posted:Given the break room convo, whether ratings came before or after she’s a bad person. Newsflash: a person ignoring someone, bitching about someone or being a lovely person does not give you the right to torture a digital copy of their consciousness. Or the physical copy of their consciousness.
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Whoever thinks that the Callister people needed an "attitude adjustment"...that's hosed up. The only one you could possibly say that to is thr CEO who is acting kind of like a dick, but then again, his CTO doesn't pay attention when giving important orders, doesn't have control over his staff and doesn't appear to take the entire operation very seriously. Sure, CEO is a little creepy and he definitely shouldn't be hitting on employees. But he also appears to be a good father and is trying to keep his company succeeding. What does CTO do? Uhhh I guess we can send an update soon I don't really know though let me check with my lead devs 🙄🙄🙄
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I don't think I could blame a single receptionist in the tech industry for spending most of their day rolling their eyes tbh
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Rarity posted:Newsflash: a person ignoring someone, bitching about someone or being a lovely person does not give you the right to torture a digital copy of their consciousness. Or the physical copy of their consciousness. I find it interesting we’re more concerned about treatment of an AI than a real person
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maskenfreiheit posted:I find it interesting we’re more concerned about treatment of an AI than a real person The AI in these stories are real persons for all intents and purposes.
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