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merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

Poque posted:

i campaigned against you for a lot of today :confused:

this seems selective, like when you claimed PMom hadn't answered the "posturing" question after he (and others) answered it like 8 times

You barely voted me.

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Poque
Sep 11, 2003

"Walking Schwindel, smart move."


merk posted:

You barely voted me.

i forgot that votes count differently depending on when they occur.

A lot of my effort today was spent pointing out why the case on PMom was stupid. It was stupid regardless of the flip. Very, very stupid. I can look back on this smugly with the flip for sure, but keep in mind that the reason my effort went to waste had nothing to do with me and everything to do with you.

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.


merk posted:

If I'm not dead after tonight, please shoot me if there is a gun tomorrow. If I'm not killed tonight, I will be lynched in lylo for a town loss.

Why not just come out and say "gee whiz, really you guys, I'm town"?

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...


Excerpt from a Berlin News Broadcast

"... police are not commenting on the cause of the crash, but we have confirmation of one fatality. Anonymous sources say the man's name was Geralt Poque, a French citizen traveling in Germany on business. Again, while we have reports that the fiery crash on the A100 was caused when an unmarked van forced the car off of an overpass before speeding away..."

~

"... Poque's dead. And while it's not definitive it was foul play, we've had too many deaths over the past week.
We need answers. Ernie, go through Poque's files, see if there's something that could point to his killer. Everyone else, back onto the streets, but we move in pairs from now on. Find me something."

The other Operatives filed out, leaving Ernie to sort through Poque's papers. The division chief shook his head. "We're going to be here awhile. I'll grab the coffee and be right back." Ernie nodded, already spreading printouts onto Poque's desk. It was going to be a long night, but he had high hopes they would find something.

~

Berlin Team Internal Communications Intercept

...they came into our loving home! Ernie and the division chief were both gunned down in our own offices. The sites were beyond black, and they're still hitting us at will. This team is so hosed.


~

Poque, NATO Operative and Ernie, NATO Operative/Anti-Russian Specialist have been killed N2. It is now D3. Deadline will be :siren:March 3rd at 10 PM EST:siren:.

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop


Votecount for Day 3



Not Voting (7): AnonymousNarcotics, Grandicap, Hal Incandenza, merk, Murmur Twin, Somberbrero, True and Real

With 7 alive, it's 4 votes to lynch. The current deadline is March 03rd, 2015 at 10 p.m. EST -- that's in about 1 day, 8 hours.

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.


merk posted:

welp, I have no credibility, but

##vote Merk

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.


##unvote

Ahh this might be LYLO so I guess I can wait on this but I feel like my feelings are pretty well known.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


Murmur Twin posted:

##vote Merk

stop it stop it stop it.

Poque
Sep 11, 2003

"Walking Schwindel, smart move."


:ghost: quick, what's that skeleton emote that ernie always uses, i want to use it before he does :ghost:

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.


Somberbrero posted:

stop it stop it stop it.

Fair enough.

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012



:hb: i can't believe i died, i thought i was scummy as hell :hb:

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.


Somberbrero posted:

stop it stop it stop it.

Let's get this party started, I guess! Who do you feel is a better vote and why?

Poque
Sep 11, 2003

"Walking Schwindel, smart move."


:hb: :hb: :hb:

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


Murmur Twin posted:

Let's get this party started, I guess! Who do you feel is a better vote and why?

I have some information that might help, but before I say anything I want some input. Are we just in a kingmaker situation now? If that's the case then we should no-lunch and try to force the anti-town to target each other.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

It's Hal/somb/?, but I probably lost us the game.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


merk posted:

It's Hal/somb/?, but I probably lost us the game.

It might be Hal but I have some doubts.

Wait do you think we're at 4 town and 3 anti town?

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.


Somberbrero posted:

I have some information that might help, but before I say anything I want some input. Are we just in a kingmaker situation now? If that's the case then we should no-lunch and try to force the anti-town to target each other.

If there are 3 non-town players and we no-lynch, they kill 2 town players tonight and we lose. Right?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


Are we sure it's just three scum? I am pretty sure there must be two scum teams and it'd make more sense to have two teams of two players. If we no lunch, the worst case scenario is that we lose two town and then it's two scum A, two scum B, and one town. Best case scenario, each scum kills a scum and then we're at 3/1/1 and this is winnable.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

Somberbrero posted:

It might be Hal but I have some doubts.

Wait do you think we're at 4 town and 3 anti town?

I was thinking two scum and an SK. Could be two scum with two kills.

Somberbrero posted:

It might be Hal but I have some doubts.

Wait do you think we're at 4 town and 3 anti town?

That's what I assumed, yeah. Two scum and an SK. What were you thinking?

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.


Somberbrero posted:

Are we sure it's just three scum? I am pretty sure there must be two scum teams and it'd make more sense to have two teams of two players. If we no lunch, the worst case scenario is that we lose two town and then it's two scum A, two scum B, and one town. Best case scenario, each scum kills a scum and then we're at 3/1/1 and this is winnable.

This play can lose us the game if you're wrong about 4 scum and I don't like it.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

Dat iPhone. Two scum with two kills sounds unlikely. Too swingy on balance.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

Murmur Twin posted:

This play can lose us the game if you're wrong about 4 scum and I don't like it.

If it's four scum - two opposing teams, then no lynch is the right play.

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.


Also, the whole conversation between merk and Somber sounds phony as hell to me. Instead of setup specs why not discuss what went wrong on the PMom lynch?

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.


merk posted:

If it's four scum - two opposing teams, then no lynch is the right play.

That's awesome, but if it's three scum,

(a) we lose, and
(b) it would be scum's best interest to try and trick town into a no-lynch.

Who do you guys think is scum and why?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


Well yeah it's not an ideal situation but I think that it's probably the smart play all things considered.

Okay, assuming four town, two scum, and one serial killer, then the following options are possible if we no lunch.

1. Scum kill town. SK kills town. Two town, two scum, and one serial killer alive.

That seems not actually terrible? We have 40% chance of randomly guessing scum, and if the scum and SK take each other out then that's game.

2. Scum kill SK. SK kills town. Three town, two scum. Lylo.

Again, unfortunate but winnable.

3. Scum kill town, SK kills scum. Three town, one scum, one SK.

Again, a 40% chance of hitting anti-town by pure chance.

4. Scum kill SK, SK kills scum. Four town, one scum.

Two chances here, should be impossible to screw up.


Please correct me if I confused something.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


Murmur Twin posted:

Also, the whole conversation between merk and Somber sounds phony as hell to me. Instead of setup specs why not discuss what went wrong on the PMom lynch?

Uh because that's an inane conversation and not helpful to us winning.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


Murmur Twin posted:

That's awesome, but if it's three scum,

(a) we lose, and
(b) it would be scum's best interest to try and trick town into a no-lynch.

Who do you guys think is scum and why?

Why would it be 3 scum? That strikes me as incredibly unlikely.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


Murmur it sounds like you're just trying to railroad the easiest lunch here. Merk was wrong and he was sure he was right. I don't think that says poo poo about alignment with multiple bad dude teams out there.

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.


Somberbrero posted:

Murmur it sounds like you're just trying to railroad the easiest lunch here. Merk was wrong and he was sure he was right. I don't think that says poo poo about alignment with multiple bad dude teams out there.

What do you think is my argument against Merk?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


Murmur Twin posted:

To me reading this exchange, it looks like PMom had the impression from his role PM that there might be two scum factions (and said as such two hours before the interaction with Merk), and then accused Merk of posturing based on the earlier statement regarding two scum factions. Merk's reaction doesn't feel real at all to me. ##vote Merk

This is your case as stated but I think if we're being honest, it's that merk was wrong.

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.


Somberbrero posted:

This is your case as stated but I think if we're being honest, it's that merk was wrong.

While I would hate to accuse you trying to protect your scumbro and not making any attempt to read cases, these were more what I was hoping you would address:

Murmur Twin posted:

:siren: The crux of my argument is that you accused him of pulling the "flavor from my role PM" out of thin air when he clearly referenced it two hours earlier. And then when you cased him, you left this fact (the thing that I feel invalidates the case) out of the quotes you used. I think you're quite good at reading comprehension so I don't feel like you missed it, I think you're trying to deceive.

Murmur Twin posted:

While I was doing that, I realized that it was inconsistent of Merk to tunnel on PMom and ignore Poque, so my focus admittedly kind of shifted there.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


I'm admittedly less interested in cases right now and I'm sure merk isn't scum. I'm positive that the best course of action is to no-lunch. Do you have any response to the scenarios I mapped out? I feel like I proved my point.

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.


Somberbrero posted:

I'm admittedly less interested in cases right now and I'm sure merk isn't scum. I'm positive that the best course of action is to no-lunch. Do you have any response to the scenarios I mapped out? I feel like I proved my point.

Your point has been noted, as has my opinion of it (that it's silly to make a move based on guessing what he setup is, as well as dangerous given that the two shadiest players in my opinion are pitching it).

Please answer my last post.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

Somb you said you had info?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


merk posted:

Somb you said you had info?

I don't think it helps in our current state.


Murmur Twin posted:

Your point has been noted, as has my opinion of it (that it's silly to make a move based on guessing what he setup is, as well as dangerous given that the two shadiest players in my opinion are pitching it).

Please answer my last post.

I feel like you're deliberately trying to ignore the logic behind a no-lynch because you can't argue with it. I'm not going to vote merk today.

ASAPRockySituation
May 9, 2010



*a helicopter flys in with a platform attached to a chain far below it, guitar starts blaring over the game as I spit the rose out of my mouth* WE NEED A HERO TO SAVE US

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.


Somberbrero posted:

I don't think it helps in our current state.


I feel like you're deliberately trying to ignore the logic behind a no-lynch because you can't argue with it. I'm not going to vote merk today.

Can you see why it might look like you are merk are scumbros?

ASAPRockySituation
May 9, 2010



merk, that's 0/2 for you bub. Ernie and Pmom. I think you're scum and that your handwringing while we were dead was not sincere or very merk-like.

ASAPRockySituation
May 9, 2010



TBH I sorta felt like you were scum yesterday but I voted with you because it would have been a really funny flip to me if Pmom was scum

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ASAPRockySituation
May 9, 2010



I will happily ##vote merk today and use the proceeds to buy you a hamburger tomorrow

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