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Captain von Trapp
Jan 22, 2006

I don't like it, and I'm sorry I ever had anything to do with it.

Whiskey Sours posted:

The way I see it, women should only be allowed to read three books: the Good Book, the cook book, and Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.

They're the Huckabee sect, not the Paul crowd. They're generally very suspicious of libertarianism and its associated weed, booze, scepticism of cops, etc. Plus Atlas Shrugged's famous screeds have quite a bit of anti-religious content.

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KHLAV KALASHNIKOV
Nov 13, 2005

Ayn Rand was an atheist anyway.

WatermelonGun
May 7, 2009
Duggars fuckin' Duggars.

Hot Duggar on Duggar Action!!!! DVDA (Duggar Vaginal Duggar Anal)

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Women* don't need to know how to read as long as they have a man to interpret the Bible for them.

*This actually goes for all the men who aren't the preacher too.

McStabby
Jun 26, 2007

LANA!!! CRUUUUUSH!

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

He won't gently caress on her period as well

Is sex allowed while she is pregnant? It may explain why she's had so many kids.

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

McStabby posted:

Is sex allowed while she is pregnant? It may explain why she's had so many kids.

Duggar sperm is mutated and super resilient, allowing it to queue up inside a women for years on end.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


McStabby posted:

Is sex allowed while she is pregnant?

It wouldn't stop Josh.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007
"If you put a hamburger in the toaster it'll say Happy Birthday."


Oh for fucks sake

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejo...se-coverup.html

quote:

Earlier this week Josh Duggar checked into Reformers Unanimous (RU), a Christian residential addiction treatment program in Rockford, Illinois, run by North Love Baptist Church and co-founded by the churchs authoritarian Independent Fundamentalist Baptist (IFB) pastor, Paul Kingsbury. Over the past twenty-four-hours, I have spoken with a number of individuals involved with or affected by either North Love or Kingsbury. Of primary importance are allegations that Kingsbury is actively supporting an accused sex offender, Richard DeVall, who is serving as a missionary in Bolivia and is sponsored by North Love Baptist Church. If true, this would seem to disqualify Kingsbury from running a recovery program for individuals suffering from porn addiction and sex addiction*, but Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches seem to run by their own rules.

Scrotum Modem
Sep 12, 2014

hawhawhaw

keep it coming

seriously gently caress anyone who says they've heard enough about josh duggar

My Rhythmic Crotch
Jan 13, 2011

I only follow this occasionally, bear with me. Has any of the abuse been while Josh was legally considered an adult, or was he a minor for everything?

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...


I was wondering if anyone was going to bother to actually click (or at least hover).

Corn Glizzy
Jun 28, 2007



Any time someone founds an "independent" church is 100% because they want to do something horrible that other people have shunned them for.

Say Nothing
Mar 4, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

WhyteRyce posted:

Duggar sperm is mutated and super resilient, allowing it to queue up inside a women for years on end.

It's a lot worse than you think...

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985



How nice for him, they can compare notes.

You'd expect someone truly repentant would quit the program on discovering that. Or someone non retarded.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Aug 30, 2015

cumshitter
Sep 27, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

My Rhythmic Crotch posted:

I only follow this occasionally, bear with me. Has any of the abuse been while Josh was legally considered an adult, or was he a minor for everything?

He was a minor when he molested his sisters.

Clochette
Aug 12, 2013

My Rhythmic Crotch posted:

I only follow this occasionally, bear with me. Has any of the abuse been while Josh was legally considered an adult, or was he a minor for everything?

Josh was born in March 1988. According to the timeline of events, he was between 14 and 15 when confirmed incidents of abuse occurred in 2002 and 2003. The Arkansas child protective services were tipped off in 2006, when Josh was 18. The statue of limitations to press charges had passed by then. If any other abuse occurred, nobody is telling.

SulfurMonoxideCute
Feb 9, 2008

I was under direct orders not to die
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wipeout posted:

How nice for him, they can compare notes.

You'd expect someone truly repentant would quit the program on discovering that. Or someone non retarded.

They probably think it isn't his fault, his victims were just too seductive.

My Rhythmic Crotch
Jan 13, 2011

Clochette posted:

Josh was born in March 1988. According to the timeline of events, he was between 14 and 15 when confirmed incidents of abuse occurred in 2002 and 2003. The Arkansas child protective services were tipped off in 2006, when Josh was 18. The statue of limitations to press charges had passed by then. If any other abuse occurred, nobody is telling.
I had a childhood friend who committed some admittedly horrible crimes as a minor and is currently serving a 40 year sentence. The difference between how that case was handled and how Josh is/was being treated is just mind blowing. Note: I do not support prison sentences for minors (generally speaking) but drat.

cumshitter
Sep 27, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Wait, was he sentenced to 40 years as a minor? Either way what's the story?

Clochette
Aug 12, 2013

cumshitter posted:

Wait, was he sentenced to 40 years as a minor? Either way what's the story?

Either he was a teenage serial killer, or black.

My Rhythmic Crotch
Jan 13, 2011

He's black and from the bible belt. When he was 15 he assaulted and kidnapped an 18 year old white woman and forced her to perform oral sex. It took until he was 20 for the sentencing and everything to be completed, so unless he gets paroled, he will be 60 when he gets out. What he did is horrible and wrong, and it's entirely possible there are details that aggravated the judge, jury, or prosecutor, but it just never quite sat right with me. EDIT: the reason it doesn't sit right with me is because, had he been white, it would have never resulted in a 40 year jail sentence.

e: correction

My Rhythmic Crotch fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Aug 30, 2015

Hammurabi
Nov 4, 2009

My Rhythmic Crotch posted:

He's black and from the bible belt. When he was 15 he assaulted and kidnapped an 18 year old white woman and forced her to perform oral sex. It took until he was 20 for the sentencing and everything to be completed, so unless he gets paroled, he will be 60 when he gets out. What he did is horrible and wrong, and it's entirely possible there are details that aggravated the judge, jury, or prosecutor, but it just never quite sat right with me. EDIT: the reason it doesn't sit right with me is because, had he been white, it would have never resulted in a 40 year jail sentence.

e: correction

I guess sometimes the system really does work.

I mean, it sounds to me like the fucker should've been put to death, but, given that minors can get neither the death penalty nor life sentences, 40 years sounds like the closest thing to justice that could've occurred (though it's too bad he couldn't have either been tried more quickly, or else tried as an adult and sentenced either to death or to life imprisonment if it really had to take that long).

I hope he dies in prison, to be quite frank.

Hammurabi fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Aug 30, 2015

limeincoke
Jul 3, 2005

Heroes of the Storm
Goon Tournament Champion
You want a 15 year old to be put to death because he forced a girl to give him a blowjob? Dude that's a bit extreme....

Clochette
Aug 12, 2013

limeincoke posted:

You want a 15 year old to be put to death because he forced a girl to give him a blowjob? Dude that's a bit extreme....

The way you phrased it sounds better than assault, kidnapping, and rape.

My Rhythmic Crotch
Jan 13, 2011

Hammurabi posted:

I guess sometimes the system really does work.

I mean, it sounds to me like the fucker should've been put to death, but, given that minors can get neither the death penalty nor life sentences, 40 years sounds like the closest thing to justice that could've occurred (though it's too bad he couldn't have either been tried more quickly, or else tried as an adult and sentenced either to death or to life imprisonment if it really had to take that long).

I hope he dies in prison, to be quite frank.
children should not be executed, hth

limeincoke
Jul 3, 2005

Heroes of the Storm
Goon Tournament Champion

Clochette posted:

The way you phrased it sounds better than assault, kidnapping, and rape.

Yeah it's bad, but I'm assuming the kidnapping portion just means when he took her to wherever he forced the BJ and then let her go. Like I'm just assuming he didn't keep her in a rape dungeon for 3 weeks. It's a terrible thing but not death worthy.

Plus he has a point about the "white guy reduced sentence" portion. I know in my small town if a girl accuses a (white) guy of rape, half the town just immediately starts calling her a slutty liar (with dog whistle language) and harasses her till she decides to "forget" the incident and charges get dropped, yet if it's a black guy, no matter the crime, everyone just assumes they're 150% guilty.

Clochette
Aug 12, 2013

limeincoke posted:

Yeah it's bad, but I'm assuming the kidnapping portion just means when he took her to wherever he forced the BJ and then let her go. Like I'm just assuming he didn't keep her in a rape dungeon for 3 weeks. It's a terrible thing but not death worthy.

Plus he has a point about the "white guy reduced sentence" portion. I know in my small town if a girl accuses a (white) guy of rape, half the town just immediately starts calling her a slutty liar (with dog whistle language) and harasses her till she decides to "forget" the incident and charges get dropped, yet if it's a black guy, no matter the crime, everyone just assumes they're 150% guilty.

I agree that it's not worthy of the death penalty or life in prison, but kidnapping and rape is one of those crimes where you're not going to get a lot of sympathy for the perpetrator no matter how harshly he was sentenced compared to a white man. It's like pointing out that it's weird how a guy can get more time in prison for possessing hundreds of child pornography images than for actually raping a child. You're not wrong, but nobody is really going to stick their neck out for Mr. Child Porn-Haver.

My Rhythmic Crotch
Jan 13, 2011

limeincoke posted:

Yeah it's bad, but I'm assuming the kidnapping portion just means when he took her to wherever he forced the BJ and then let her go. Like I'm just assuming he didn't keep her in a rape dungeon for 3 weeks. It's a terrible thing but not death worthy.

Plus he has a point about the "white guy reduced sentence" portion. I know in my small town if a girl accuses a (white) guy of rape, half the town just immediately starts calling her a slutty liar (with dog whistle language) and harasses her till she decides to "forget" the incident and charges get dropped, yet if it's a black guy, no matter the crime, everyone just assumes they're 150% guilty.
The kidnapping portion was due to him breaking into her vehicle, and lying in wait until she got in. The entire episode lasted, from what I can gather, very roughly something like 5 hours. She was clever enough to convince him to let her drive somewhere public and she was able to get someone to call 911.

I grew up in a well-to-do, Holier-than-thou suburb. The kind place where the Good Christians will bend over backwards to give you a hand ... as long as you're a white, God-fearing Republican.

The situation would have been even more lopsided if, for example, the girl had been black or hispanic and he'd been white.

boom boom boom
Jun 28, 2012

by Shine
Every now and then I go a few days without reading this thread, then I see that there's ten new pages and I think, "oh, they've just been saying Jim Bob, surely this cant have gotten even worse"

cumshitter
Sep 27, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
What's the point of releasing a 60 something year old violent sex offender back into society? You might as well kill them, seeing as they're unemployable and barred from living in any type of affordable rental unit.

Dude hosed up bad but barring a radical shift in how society views ex-convict sex offenders he is condemned to misery and poverty once he is released.

My Rhythmic Crotch
Jan 13, 2011

Clochette posted:

It's like pointing out that it's weird how a guy can get more time in prison for possessing hundreds of child pornography images than for actually raping a child.
No, it's like pointing out that white people get preferential treatment.

cumshitter posted:

What's the point of releasing a 60 something year old violent sex offender back into society? You might as well kill them, seeing as they're unemployable and barred from living in any type of affordable rental unit.

Dude hosed up bad but barring a radical shift in how society views ex-convict sex offenders he is condemned to misery and poverty once he is released.
That's kind of what I struggle with when I think about his case. The 5 year period of time between the crime and the final sentencing makes me think other aggravating factors came into play, but I've pulled his rap sheet and the only charges he's in for are the initial crimes. He was dangerous to the public, and to himself. How do you rehab that? I wish I knew.

But no killing him is not the right answer

My Rhythmic Crotch fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Aug 30, 2015

cumshitter
Sep 27, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
No of courise the death sentence isn't the right answer. But you can't put someone away for forty years and expect them to reintegrate seamlessly.

Were the five years he spent in prison waiting for a sentence factored into his punishment?

The Grimace
Sep 18, 2005

Are you a BigMac of imbeciles!?
tch you know what I have to say about a sad situation like this?

jim bob

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

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Lord of Pie posted:

Women* don't need to know how to read as long as they have a man to interpret the Bible for them.

*This actually goes for all the men who aren't the preacher too.

Should've just kept the bible in Latin like the good ol' days, aka dark ages.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007
"If you put a hamburger in the toaster it'll say Happy Birthday."


Reminder at 10 p.m est is "Breaking The Silence" featuring the Duggars and is about molestation.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Thank You

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

Reminder at 10 p.m est is "Breaking The Silence" featuring the Duggars and is about molestation.

Last chance to save their reality TV careers.

Cuveball Sliders
Oct 9, 2007

My Rhythmic Crotch posted:

No, it's like pointing out that white people get preferential treatment.

That's kind of what I struggle with when I think about his case. The 5 year period of time between the crime and the final sentencing makes me think other aggravating factors came into play, but I've pulled his rap sheet and the only charges he's in for are the initial crimes. He was dangerous to the public, and to himself. How do you rehab that? I wish I knew.

But no killing him is not the right answer

The reason people are against minors in prison is because that's an age where the brain is still developing, learning is happening at an incredible rate, and rehabilitation is easiest (not easy, but easiest). Without knowing his specific case I couldn't begin to come up with a plan to help him rehabilitate, but I can tell you it's definitely possible if you can get him to buy in.

I wish our prison system was based around actual rehabilitation because punishing people for the sake of punishing them is stupid, wastes money, and just ends in recidivism when they get out and can't function in the real world (or have any motivation to do so). It's a sad system.

Zamboni Rodeo
Jul 19, 2007

NEVER play "Lady of Spain" AGAIN!




cumshitter posted:

Dude hosed up bad but barring a radical shift in how society views ex-convict sex offenders he is condemned to misery and poverty once he is released.

Realistically, as a black man in the Bible Belt he was probably condemned to this circumstance from the start, sex-offender status or no.

Shnag
Dec 8, 2010

"I'll be whatever I wanna do!"

Clochette posted:

Josh was born in March 1988. According to the timeline of events, he was between 14 and 15 when confirmed incidents of abuse occurred in 2002 and 2003. The Arkansas child protective services were tipped off in 2006, when Josh was 18. The statue of limitations to press charges had passed by then. If any other abuse occurred, nobody is telling.

I thought at one point he was as old as 17 when the molestation happened? Also, there really is no reason to just assume the incidents that were admitted to are the only ones. He probably did molest more girls, more times, in worst ways, for longer periods of times, then they have admitted too. Its not like he has shown he has put his women abusing ways in the past, either.


My Rhythmic Crotch posted:

The kidnapping portion was due to him breaking into her vehicle, and lying in wait until she got in. The entire episode lasted, from what I can gather, very roughly something like 5 hours. She was clever enough to convince him to let her drive somewhere public and she was able to get someone to call 911.

I grew up in a well-to-do, Holier-than-thou suburb. The kind place where the Good Christians will bend over backwards to give you a hand ... as long as you're a white, God-fearing Republican.

The situation would have been even more lopsided if, for example, the girl had been black or hispanic and he'd been white.

If he was a white and a football player, and she was black or hispanic, it would have resulted in her apologizing to him and probably being shunned to the point of having to leave the community.

Also Jim bob

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Captain von Trapp
Jan 22, 2006

I don't like it, and I'm sorry I ever had anything to do with it.

Shnag posted:

If he was a white and a football player, and she was black or hispanic, it would have resulted in her apologizing to him and probably being shunned to the point of having to leave the community.

Football is a whole nother kettle of fish. You can be any color, including black, and anything you do will be covered up by an entire university if you're sufficiently good at moving footballs around a field. This includes sexually assaulting children, cf, Jeremy Hill among many, many others.

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