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VDay posted:Like how last season we knew pretty early on from previews that Jack was going to fight Hannibal, but not why, when, or exactly how it would happen. We didn't learn that from previews...
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Brilliant episode. Loved it.
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Jun 7, 2015 15:17
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let it go dude, hail satan
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^burtle posted:The guy has already lost his leg and knows he is in Hannibal's clutches and will be dead eventually. That is what he meant by posthumous. They were just flashbacks. Rabbit Hill posted:I read that differently -- that was the moment when she first showed fear. IIRC, the moment of her apology is when she starts to get tears in her eyes.
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Jun 7, 2015 17:08
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Black-and-white flashbacks were used in Season 1 in the Miriam Lass episode.
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Jun 7, 2015 17:23
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Have all of his pov flashbacks been black and white?
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Jun 7, 2015 17:26
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xerxus posted:Black-and-white flashbacks were used in Season 1 in the Miriam Lass episode. Ah ha, I totally forgot about that. The only prior flashback I could remember was when he killed that doctor, I think it was. I tried to search for Hannibal flashbacks on youtube to check in case someone uploaded those scenes there, but I just found a bunch of videos that are terrifying for other reasons.
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So, the dialogue "Now that ceaseless exposure has calloused us into the lewd and the vulgar, it is instructive to see what still seems wicked to us." "What still slaps the clammy flab of our submissive consciousness hard enough to get our attention?" - which I see upon googling is, of course, straight from the books - pretty clearly was meant as a sort of meta-commentary on the audience watching the show. But I just realized that if you take that line in context with the "observe or participate" scene, it can be taken as an accusation of the audience, essentially saying that the audience, like Bedelia, is complicit in the murder via our observation.
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Rabbit Hill posted:Mads probably did that with not too much trouble -- he speaks five languages already -- and his pronunciation was pretty good. (Gillian Anderson didn't speak Italian nearly so well, but she was still comprehensible. Except, really, could it have killed someone to tell her that "grazie" has three syllables, not two?) Nice information! A friend of mine reads the Divine Comedy every year and is especially fascinated by Ugolino. I think the part you bolded from the sonnet is also the basis of the 'Vide Cor Meum' piece, used in both film and tv versions of Hannibal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M5YeZIg71U I loved this episode, definitely one of the more dreamier episodes. They seemed to have really amped up the show in every way, the dialogue seems more on point, the cinematography is more self-indulgent (in a good way) and the music isn't afraid to go from classical pieces to contemporary synth melodies. I am still amazed that this is the third season of a tv show based on a crime novel and it surpasses a majority of film and television made in the last two decades, in my opinion. It's such a joy to watch and I'm grateful it exists. The episode as a whole was good, but I also liked certain touches like the potential Will Graham replacement being beat around the head by Aristotle or the general atmosphere between Mads and Anderson. The murder/display of the body was also interesting. What immediately sprung to my mind was the Three of Swords in the tarot deck, a symbol of pain and sorrow. I'm unsure if Hannibal would reference the tarot as he's more about human allegory, and perhaps the sword at the beginning of the episode used to open the bottle of champagne is more relevant, but it's fun to guess.  edit: read the last few pages and this had already been pointed out, duh. Nice to know I'm not bananas though! justcola fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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showbiz_liz posted:So, the dialogue "Now that ceaseless exposure has calloused us into the lewd and the vulgar, it is instructive to see what still seems wicked to us." "What still slaps the clammy flab of our submissive consciousness hard enough to get our attention?" - which I see upon googling is, of course, straight from the books - pretty clearly was meant as a sort of meta-commentary on the audience watching the show. But I just realized that if you take that line in context with the "observe or participate" scene, it can be taken as an accusation of the audience, essentially saying that the audience, like Bedelia, is complicit in the murder via our observation. This too is great Edit: is there any symbolism in being beaten over the head by Aristotle? The Hadrian bust in Talented Mr Ripley was supposedly a gay symbol. Maybe the Aristotle bust was actually a roundabout reference to the gay unrequited love in TTMR, a parallel to the unrequited love between Hannibal and Will? I mean, that would be kind of out there. Aristotle's bust is not Aristotle's bust, it's actually Hadian's bust pretending to be Aristotle's bust. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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I was just wondering if the bust in Talented Mr. Ripley was of Aristotle. The film had quite a lot of shared components with this episode, but I'm okay with that. As Aristotle has a large body of work and could signify a few things, I took it as he was being hit over the head with logic, that is, if you try and make a deal with a killer, chances are he'd kill you too. A little like the fable of the frog and the scorpion. Although it could easily just be a reference to sex (as would be the dinner party conversation and the double entendre of double fisting at the beginning), of Aristotle's role as a teacher or back to Season 1 when Hannibal killed the violinist with the statue of the elk, perhaps signifying a move away from nature and towards civilization? Who knows. I also find the idea of Hannibal feeding Eddie Izzard acorns hilarious. justcola fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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Jun 7, 2015 20:49
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Okay so apparently Hannibal really likes his liver raw, with a nicely seared exterior and a splash of wine. Is that the right way to cook liver? I could never abide by the stuff when well done.
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justcola posted:I was just wondering if the bust in Talented Mr. Ripley was of Aristotle. In TTMR, the bust was Hadrian, the first openly gay emperor. His lover, Antonius, died under mysterious circumstances and it's been suggested that he was murdered (maybe even by Hadrian). Hadrian was distraught over it and had him posthumously deified. Some ominous suggestion with regard to Hannibal and Will's relationship, if that's what the show is intending. But I'm not sure if this show is really using Aristotle to refer to another movie that refers to Hadrian I order to illustrate a point, cause that's a lot of dots to connect. Who knows. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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Jun 7, 2015 22:23
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Ansiktsburk posted:I think she's been showing fear for a while, especially since she left town last season. I don't think my perception of Hannibal being that way is textual or anything, I just think he can be read that way. Maybe because I'd expect someone who will kill and eat people for the reasons Hannibal does to be a bit prickly. Sorry, I meant in that specific scene. She's sitting there calm and collected, looking like a dame in a noir film, and then Hannibal's comment about terminating their patient-psychiatrist relationship is what cracks her facade.
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Jun 7, 2015 22:31
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justcola posted:I also find the idea of Hannibal feeding Eddie Izzard acorns hilarious. It drove me crazy that there were just raw, unshelled acorns on Bedelia's plate. You can't eat acorns that way! If you don't cook them they're disgustingly bitter, like sucking on an oversteeped tea bag. I guess maybe they were meant to be an inedible decoration (and a private joke of Hannibal's, until that guy pointed it out)?
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Steve Yun posted:In TTMR, the bust was Hadrian, the first openly gay emperor. His lover, Antonius, died under mysterious circumstances and it's been suggested that he was murdered (maybe even by Hadrian). Hadrian was distraught over it and had him posthumously deified. Personally I prefer this theory 
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Jun 7, 2015 23:48
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MrAristocrates posted:NBC's been going crazy with promo videos here, though be warned, they'll spoil who survived the end of the last season, if you've somehow managed to avoid that information up until now. Managed to avoid it, up until NBC decided to show said characters in the "next week on hannibal" shpeil at the end of the premere. Scrambled to grab the remote and turn it off (DVRed). I was content that they chose to keep us all guessing through the episode, why they chose to show Will and others in the next week preview was pretty asinine of NBC. Even if they might have been flashbacks. Enjoyed the premier if only for the visuals. Will have to watch again, possibly with subtitles as much of it was mushmouthed.
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Fog Tripper posted:Managed to avoid it, up until NBC decided to show said characters in the "next week on hannibal" shpeil at the end of the premere. Scrambled to grab the remote and turn it off (DVRed). I was content that they chose to keep us all guessing through the episode, why they chose to show Will and others in the next week preview was pretty asinine of NBC. Even if they might have been flashbacks. It also has those pesky cast list.
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bobkatt013 posted:It also has those pesky cast list. TurboFlamingChicken posted:Yeah, it is pretty obvious Will, Alana and Jack (and even Chilton!) survived based upon the preview. Why do I read this thread...
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Fog Tripper posted:Why do I read this thread... I am just saying that they told you who survived during the opening credits.
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bobkatt013 posted:I am just saying that they told you who survived during the opening credits. Point taken, but as I did with the prime episodes, I fast forwarded past the credits. Cannot say I would have paid much attention to them in any event. Still, looks like I wasn't the only one puzzled by the choice of preview. Fuller may not care about spoilers, but what is the point of a cliffhanger if (I have to imagine NBC does the preview choices) you are going to lead right into spoilers at the end of an episode which avoded the cliffhanger entirely? By the by for someone who doesnt speak italian, what exactly did Gilian purchase with the bottles of wine?
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ShadowCatboy posted:Okay so apparently Hannibal really likes his liver raw, with a nicely seared exterior and a splash of wine. Is that the right way to cook liver? I could never abide by the stuff when well done. I'm in the same place - just smelling it as a kid made me gag. I want to at least give it a shot with my adult palate one of these days, though. Now that I think about it eating a human liver just seems like a Bad Idea. You don't know what drugs that thing was in the middle of processing.
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Rabbit Hill posted:Sorry, I meant in that specific scene. She's sitting there calm and collected, looking like a dame in a noir film, and then Hannibal's comment about terminating their patient-psychiatrist relationship is what cracks her facade. Ah, yeah. That does seem to be the beginning of the visible fear we can clearly see her dealing with in the present day. I'm curious how much they'll elaborate upon how she went from that scene to sitting under security cameras and running out of Hannibal's lecture. I like how they haven't held back on going from the somewhat mysterious, self-possessed character she was in seasons 1 and 2 to someone who seems to be struggling to keep it together now.
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Fog Tripper posted:By the by for someone who doesnt speak italian, what exactly did Gilian purchase with the bottles of wine? I don't speak Italian either, but it looks like white truffles. That's what I got from context, anyway.
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Midnight Sun posted:I don't speak Italian either, but it looks like white truffles. That's what I got from context, anyway. Tartufi bianchi, yes. White truffles.
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Jun 8, 2015 08:58
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This first episode felt really over-done to me. This show has always had interesting cinematography, but it felt like they just dialed it up to 11 and every single shot had to have an elaborate focus-shift or some other kind of weirdness going on, to the point where it was almost self-parody.
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Entropic posted:This first episode felt really over-done to me. This show has always had interesting cinematography, but it felt like they just dialed it up to 11 and every single shot had to have an elaborate focus-shift or some other kind of weirdness going on, to the point where it was almost self-parody. I agree but I loved that about it
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Esme posted:I'm in the same place - just smelling it as a kid made me gag. I want to at least give it a shot with my adult palate one of these days, though. Liver is quite delicate really. I like to fry onions in butter until golden then add the liver, turning once and cooking for maybe four minutes in total. A lot of offal tends to have a pinkish tinge even when well cooked, I think part of the trick of cooking meat is how little you should actually do.
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justcola posted:Liver is quite delicate really. I like to fry onions in butter until golden then add the liver, turning once and cooking for maybe four minutes in total. A lot of offal tends to have a pinkish tinge even when well cooked, I think part of the trick of cooking meat is how little you should actually do. Should you soak it in milk beforehand? For how long?
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Great episode, but I really don't get how the sound mixing can be so good about every single thing except dialogue. It's really frustrating how hard it is to hear things, and it's not just Mads. Also the whole Dr. Fell thing seems kind of goofy even for this show, but as long as they do more fun stuff with the idea, I'm on board.
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ShadowCatboy posted:Should you soak it in milk beforehand? For how long? Soaking in whole milk for four to five hours can remove some of the intensity of the taste, the same with other parts. The milk tends to turn a pinkish colour, which makes me think that certain taste of organ meats is connected to the blood rather than the actual organ perhaps. The younger the animal the more quick it is to cook, liver is good with bacon, kidneys go well with beans, a heart is quite versatile as there is a lot of meat, lungs are best fried quite dryly, any of the meat around the head is also quite tasty and different from other cuts but require a bit of skill to take from the skull. I really rate offal and it tends to be reasonably priced as well as following closer to the idea of a good portion of meat (palm sized?) rather than a huge steak or rack of ribs. I got a good cookbook by Fergus Henderson called 'Nose to Tail Eating', that isn't an encyclopaedia of how to cook offal but a good idea as to the possibilities with certain cuts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN9UiiMbEBI I grew up in quite a rural area so I've been familiar with that type of meat. If you were to take away one thing from watching a television programme, I'd like to think it would be being able to cook and enjoy types of meat you may not have previously considered. Liver cooked well is delicious, just a lot of peoples first experiences with it is a grey, overcooked lump of meaty jam.
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http://janicepoonart.blogspot.co.at/ Update from Janice Poon. Apparently from now on, no more sketches or recipes because they want to save those for the cookbook. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Jun 9, 2015 |
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Steve Yun posted:http://janicepoonart.blogspot.co.at/ I guess the little excerpt from the screenplay solves whether the Gideon scenes were flashbacks - it says the first takes place between eps. 206 & 207. It could certainly still be Hannibal's embellished memories or whatever though. justcola posted:Liver is quite delicate really. I like to fry onions in butter until golden then add the liver, turning once and cooking for maybe four minutes in total. A lot of offal tends to have a pinkish tinge even when well cooked, I think part of the trick of cooking meat is how little you should actually do. Thanks! I'll try that sometime - I keep seeing beef liver at really reasonable prices (for beef) in my grocery store.
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Fog Tripper posted:Why do I read this thread... Sorry about that. I just assumed with all the talk of Hannibal from Fuller and the previews it was kind of obvious the survivors to this point. I too would have liked to been surprised but to be honest they really put spoilers for who survived all over the drat place it was very hard to avoid. I was quite surprised about Chilton, though, if the preview is true.
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Jun 9, 2015 02:26
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Gideon survived, he now hungers for revenge.
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Jun 9, 2015 02:51
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Seeing Gillian Anderson pull her entire bloody forearm out of a man's throat is definitely pretty high on my all-time list of "did I actually just see what I think I just saw" scenes from network tv.
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Jun 9, 2015 04:19
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Anyone else annoyed that a guy named Hannibal chose the alias 'Roman Fell' as his cover name?
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Jun 9, 2015 04:23
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If I manage not to think about why the FBI doesn't have a wanted poster with his face plastered across every international news service, I can live with a ridiculous alias.
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Jun 9, 2015 04:26
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Best Hannibal related post was still, "It's like Hannibal knows we're watching this show and he wants it to be dope."
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Entropic posted:If I manage not to think about why the FBI doesn't have a wanted poster with his face plastered across every international news service, I can live with a ridiculous alias. loving seriously. (On the other hand though, apparently Elaborate Art Murder is like the 2nd leading cause of death in Baltimore, so maybe a genius cannibal barely pings Interpol's radar in this universe.)
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My only explanation is that there are somehow no photographs of Hannibal in existence, prints or digital. They could still put out a sketch of Hannibal, but Ruggedly-Handsome Stubbly European Man would probably blend in pretty well in Europe.
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