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Rabbit Hill posted:Not to mention that we know this season's storyline already and we know it's great. (To anyone who doesn't know this season's storyline already: it's going to be great!) I'm reading Red Dragon right now, and I've been wondering how they'll deal with the fact that in the book world, all of the non-Hannibal main characters except Will are basically sane, un-compromised, and have almost never interacted with Hannibal. They're all just doing their jobs like normal people who HAVEN'T had an extended brush with otherworldly madness. But in the show - does Jack even still work for the FBI? Would Will even be allowed to consult for them? Would Alana? And would Chilton still be the guy in charge of Hannibal's care, seeing as how the guy framed him for multiple cannibal murders and then coached a woman to shoot him in the face? It just seems like they've moved so far beyond the rudiments of police work that going back and doing Red Dragon will be tricky to pull off.
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I just figure they're going to go with the main story, villain, and Will and Hannibal's dealings with him, and change the rest to be consistent with the current state of the show's universe. Or honestly, things like Chilton still being in charge of Hannibal's care, you could see either being easily changed or easily kept the same and just handwaved away, because *pfffft* who needs realism in this nightmare death opera? v v
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Rabbit Hill posted:That, and all over the internet people are moaning about how weak Will is now ("now," as in, the one episode out of two that he's appeared in thus far), like everyone has suddenly forgotten how character arcs work. Always been partial to this one, personally: 
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I actually find the newer episodes more realistic because at least everyone recognizes that Hannibal is obviously the creepiest motherfucker who ever lived.
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pioneermax posted:Though I did like inspector Pazzi, I just hope Fuller doesn't take this series being half in Europe as an excuse to sujorn all narrative and turn it into a more surreal fire walk with me because honestly the show is always at its weakest when it goes right off the deep end into that territory. I'm so worried that they're going to go full-on "art" with it, as in "unapproachable and too weird to understand." That's actually a turn-off for me and a big part of why I liked the first season is because all of the crazy visuals had the context of a brain disease. That being said, getting moments like "Is your social worker in that horse?" and Mason's final big scene were well worth the irritation I felt at the weird Shiva visuals. And also, I'm just not as into that stuff, but other people love it. Basebf555 posted:I didn't say he found peace or happiness or whatever, his story comes to an end though and as far as we know after Red Dragon he never gets involved with Hannibal or serial killers ever again. Spoilered for those in the process of or intending to read Red Dragon (you really should, neither of the movie adaptations are entirely true to the book): There is no amount of happiness for Will at the conclusion of Red Dragon, and I am honestly hoping they don't do to him in the show what happened to him in the books. His final mention is a throwaway line in Silence of the Lambs about how he's rotting away as an alcoholic somewhere. I was so upset at Thomas Harris for that one! Rabbit Hill posted:That, and all over the internet people are moaning about how weak Will is now ("now," as in, the one episode out of two that he's appeared in thus far), like everyone has suddenly forgotten how character arcs work. In fairness, the show provided encephalitis as a big part of his mental breakdown in season 1, so the audience has never actually seen the full extent of Will's weirder character traits outside of Hannibal's influence. I really hope they address that he was always a hallucinating weirdo, beyond just impoliteness. Tokelau All Star posted:I actually find the newer episodes more realistic because at least everyone recognizes that Hannibal is obviously the creepiest motherfucker who ever lived. Agreed 100%. But I really super hate Hannibal. I can't wait to see him eating prison food. Oh my.
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So I found this on tumblr today. It's p. cute: http://strangelock.tumblr.com/thehannibet/
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Jun 16, 2015 00:22
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Will "forgiving" Hannibal is bait on a trap even bigger than when he pretended to kill Freddie. This is revenge now.
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Astrofig posted:So I found this on tumblr today. It's p. cute: This is amazing 
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^burtle posted:Will "forgiving" Hannibal is bait on a trap even bigger than when he pretended to kill Freddie. This is revenge now. Episode 1 framed the mindset of Hannibal juxtaposed with Bedelia's, cinematographically stylized to suit their similar aesthetic. Episode 2 established Will's state of mind juxtaposed with [Will's established mind palace version of] Abigail's, also visually executed to suit that end. Both are excellent. Both use the most influential current woman of these mens' lives to bring out a bit of personal truth, each ending with a man arriving at a moment of action. Hannibal publicly reaches out to Will with what amounts to his version of a Facebook message post-breakup, complete with all his personal "trains of thought" (as Will puts it) and self-righteous flair. Will, true to his established character, dives into his own mind as he walks among the living. Here, most importantly, and I think this is absolutely critical and possibly the most telling moment of the entire episode, is the fact that when Will once again began succumbing to that loving Stag, what awoke him and grounded him was himself, albeit in the form of a dead girl he then admitted to himself was so. He comes up for air knowing that he must catch Hannibal and do it alone, alienating one man and luring the other by playing the game he's been taught and the cards he's been dealt. He then issues his reply to Hannibal, which unlike the other man's is as direct as possible, and the game is afoot. Yes, at the moment this show is the most stylized and deliberately complex it's ever been. It seemingly wastes minutes on scenes or images or sequences that hold for too long, or feel as if they serve the director or producers' art-school erection more than the story. But every beat of this show has always been calculated and executed to serve a specific purpose, now more than ever. These two episodes represent the psyche of the men leading each. And they are having a hosed up time right now.
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Man, with all the added context that's been added to the Will/Hannibal relationship by this show, the scene from Manhunter/Red Dragon where Will visits Hannibal in prison should be even more intense. Specifically this exchange: Will Graham: I thought you might enjoy the challenge. Find out if you're smarter than the person I'm looking for. Hannibal Lecter: Then, by implication, you think you're smarter than I am, since it was you who caught me. Will Graham: No, I know I'm not smarter than you. Hannibal Lecter: Then how did you catch me? Will Graham: You had... disadvantages. Hannibal Lecter: What disadvantages? Will Graham: You're insane. With everything the show has established about their relationship prior to Hannibal's capture, that's even more of a burn than even it was before, and it was always a pretty sick burn. I'm sure the dialogue will be tweaked in some subtle way as to give book fans a chuckle.
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Eh, liked them both. Watched them both twice. If this is the direction the series is going gently caress it will be a good ride. 2 episodes out of 13 all y'all motherfuckers need to calm down.
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Basebf555 posted:Man, with all the added context that's been added to the Will/Hannibal relationship by this show, the scene from Manhunter/Red Dragon where Will visits Hannibal in prison should be even more intense. I just finished the book, and once I realized how many great lines from the show were cribbed from the book (like "ragged bits of scalp trailing their tails of hair like comets" and the thing about 'following the urges kept down for so long, cultivating them as the inspirations they are'), I started looking for lines they might use in the future. Certainly they'll use this bit once Hannibal gets arrested - “We live in a primitive time—don’t we, Will?—neither savage nor wise. Half measures are the curse of it. Any rational society would either kill me or give me my books.” I can hear it in Mikkelsen's voice perfectly.
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showbiz_liz posted:I just finished the book, and once I realized how many great lines from the show were cribbed from the book (like "ragged bits of scalp trailing their tails of hair like comets" and the thing about 'following the urges kept down for so long, cultivating them as the inspirations they are'), I started looking for lines they might use in the future. The book really is a cut above (  ) the rest of the crime fiction genre, isn't it? Most of the "philosophizing" dialogue in the first season comes right from the book (so it's kind of odd that people are complaining about the tone of the show now, when that tone is taken from the source material and has been there since S01E01.) One image I've always remembered is, at some point when Will is walking through a crime scene, he's described as moving "smoothly and slowly, carrying his concentration like a brimming cup." The Silence of the Lambs contains another image I always remember when watching people get interviewed on TV -- the mother of one of Buffalo Bill's victims appears on TV and cries during the interview, and Harris describes the camera zooming in on her face something like "a thirsty chicken pecking at her tears." Oh and, "He lives down in a ribcage in the dry leaves of a heart.”
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I'm gonna go pick up Silence today, I think. They're quick reads! My mom is ALL ABOUT some crime fiction but I've never read much of it before.
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One really interesting bit - this detail may appear, fictionalized, in the later books, but the whole thing from Season 1 about Will walking across the fields and looking back at his lit-up little house at night and it seeming like a ship on the ocean - it isn't (or isn't only) from the books themselves. It's actually straight from Thomas Harris's own life, detailed in the 2000 introduction to Red Dragon, describing the house where he came up with the character of Hannibal Lecter. He also took care of feral dogs while he lived there (though he did give Will that same trait in Red Dragon).
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Two minute clip from the third episode for those who want to spoil themselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm7twy3DLTQ Looks like they're returning to a more coherent narrative for episode 3. And that headstone shot 
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So apparently Bryan Fuller is going to be in charge of a TV adaptation of American Gods. I'm unbelievably stoked
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Entropic posted:So apparently Bryan Fuller is going to be in charge of a TV adaptation of American Gods. I'm unbelievably stoked There's not much that could make me stoked about an American Gods adaptation, but I'm tentatively interested now.
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Entropic posted:So apparently Bryan Fuller is going to be in charge of a TV adaptation of American Gods. I'm unbelievably stoked That is triple good and ultra fine.
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Entropic posted:So apparently Bryan Fuller is going to be in charge of a TV adaptation of American Gods. I'm unbelievably stoked Bryan Fuller being attached is old news, the news this time is that the show finally got green lit
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:There's not much that could make me stoked about an American Gods adaptation, but I'm tentatively interested now. How come? I ask because I actually kind of hated the book - it was full of fascinating background and characters and ideas, and then stuck you with a literal nothing of a protagonist whose only character trait is doing coin tricks - but I always thought it might make a better TV show than book because then you wouldn't be trapped in Shadow's POV the whole time. Shame it's Starz and not HBO...
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I feel the same way as you do about Shadow, only I wasn't really impressed by the rest of the setting either. The only good thing about American Gods is the concept of weird, half-forgotten Americana playing on the same stage as mythical gods and monsters, which has been done a million times better by shows like Carnivale or books like The Great and Secret Show. That said, Fuller has proven that as a showrunner he's both willing to take creative liberties with his source material and also really good at it, so I'm not going to write it off sight-unseen.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I feel the same way as you do about Shadow, only I wasn't really impressed by the rest of the setting either. The only good thing about American Gods is the concept of weird, half-forgotten Americana playing on the same stage as mythical gods and monsters, which has been done a million times better by shows like Carnivale or books like The Great and Secret Show. This is exactly why I'm excited about Fuller running is. As he's shown with Hannibal (and, to a lesser extent, the pilot of the aborted Munsters reboot that was way better than it had any right being) he's really good at sussing out the core of a property and expanding on it in a fresh way that's still true to the original. When I think back to the book the stuff that stands out is the fun travelogue bits likes Thursday's different confidence games, the glimpses at different bits of mythology and how they've integrated into American culture as people brought them with them when they emigrated, and the odd surreal moments like "Wanna see Lucy's tits?" rather than anything involving the actual overarching plot with Shadow and his wife getting swept up in the war between the old gods and the new ones; I have faith that he can fit that into a series format much like how he turned Hannibal into a procedural while keeping the baroque elements and mindgames with Hannibal and Will.
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I'm actually curious to see how close to Hannibal it'll be, because there are a whole lot of dream and dream-like moments in the book that totally sound like some of Will's visions/dreams. I reread the book a few months ago and couldn't help but picture the kind of disorienting cinematography Fuller uses a lot when reading some of the scenes, especially with how often a character is described as being only partially there, like they're out of focus with reality. Should be pretty interesting, if nothing else.
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Entropic posted:So apparently Bryan Fuller is going to be in charge of a TV adaptation of American Gods. I'm unbelievably stoked
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It's appropriate because I pointed out to a friend that there sure is a lot of eating in American Gods, and he insisted I was wrong and opened the book to a random page to prove me wrong and yep, eating. Constant, constant eating. It'd be pretty cool if they used some of the same people for the visuals and food work.
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Ever wanted to dress like Hannibal and co.? Now you can! http://weartherude.tumblr.com/
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Hannibal: Our first dish for the evening combines the beauty of Naples with the hardship and experience of the eastern trek of the Jewish diaspora. An antipasto that could be considered a meal in itself and upon itself. Traditionally it has no tradition, a most anarchic dish as it can be eaten in the morning or the evening, or for supper. I present to you, Pizza on a Bagel. Edit: just catching up with the new season. I love this show but it could really benefit from a guy throwing a pie once I a while. Or just a clown character who doesn't talk in Perfume Advertisement-speak. Maybe a fat cop with a thick Baltimore accent who makes comments about how weird this all is. "We got another serial killer art project ovah here! Come on! What happened t'all the gamblers moiderin' their bookies kinda murders? Screw this place, anyone want a somethin? Will? Jack? Whatever. I'm goin' to dah drat gas station. Holy poo poo..." Edit edit: I guess I'm just getting art-fatigue. And when it's an art house film you don have to ask questions like 'who lit all those candles in the catacombs? Was it Hannibal? Did any of them bring flashlights? Why isn't the Italian FBI backing them up?' It doesn't matter cause it's art-house. Like, I just need something to contrast the reality with the insane. I can't imagine anything real happens anymore. When Will goes to the bathroom dissonant bongoes start playing and when he flushes the toilet instead of filling up with water it fills up with more drat blood, and then that drat stag peeks it's head over at him from the other stall and violins start sneering. MrSlam fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Jun 17, 2015 |
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EmmyOk posted:He looked great at all times in his life I agree. 
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Kampfbereit posted:I agree. Haha, janey mack! I never though anyone would match Brad Pitt in the "Still looks disgustingly good with a shaved head" stakes. 
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EmmyOk posted:Haha, janey mack! I never though anyone would match Brad Pitt in the "Still looks disgustingly good with a shaved head" stakes. What about the Rock?
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:What about the Rock? Josh Lyman posted:Bruce Willis obviously It doesn't count if they're actually going bald.
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Astrofig posted:Ever wanted to dress like Hannibal and co.? Now you can! I'm all for this.
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Astrofig posted:Ever wanted to dress like Hannibal and co.? Now you can! And people made fun of me for posting all the brands of cookware on the show!
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I'd like to take a minute to talk about how Hannibal made the heart, since we got to see it come apart this episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfY0lrdXar8 Pepin is always a good cooking reference. But it is also frustrating. Birds have very fragile bones. As someone who has killed a lot of mammals and broken their bones for their sweet, sweet marrow, I can tell you there is a world of difference between various species. When I cracked femurs and such, I was trying to flush out the marrow to get at the stem cells but mice required fingers and tweezers. Rats needed a loving dremel. Since birds have hollow bones, it doesn't take much but humans? That's a loving industrial operation. I get that Hannibal is a maestro and so his culinary skills operate at the speed of plot, but really? They've done a really good job giving food boners by having a well regarded chef advise them how to make food. The heart-as-theme works, especially with some of the tarot aspects the goth-goons have pointed out, but to me that is a reality breaker. Cell phones, cameras, yada-yada -- the source material predates all those and, frankly, as a society we are still trying to figure out how to make them dramatic. Unlike hyper-modern dramas like Homeland or whatever, Hannibal can use modernity as an all-seeing eye like they did with Gretchen when she took off her guise and wanted to be caught by the camera and ignore it when an Italian detective has had a photo of Hannibal for years. I guess I'm saying these two episodes have been all "unmoored dreamland". I get that Mads is the breakaway star and that Hannibal has always been the most fascinating character, but I'm not getting anything from this unmooredness that suggests we've entered a total Hannibal POV. As a member of the audience, I'm not sure where I am and it isn't enticing, it is boring. Hoping it works out but just sorta meh.
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Go to sleep, dude.
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Shbobdb can you draw us a clock real quick?
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