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OK next episode looks to be WAY more interesting than these last three.
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FourLeaf posted:OK next episode looks to be WAY more interesting than these last three. This episode was great That said, yes the next one looks awesome.
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Jun 19, 2015 03:02
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Next week on Hannibal: I'm looking forward to returning to the FBI, seeing Alana again, and an episode not directed by Vincenzo Natali. I struggle to say any episode is bad, but he's directed the weakest ones. Mameluke fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Jun 19, 2015 03:06
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It will be good to see the plot pick up steam hopefully, and have more characters involved.
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Jun 19, 2015 03:09
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I really can't believe that a show like this exists, much less on network TV. Just tremendous. I've liked the contemplative, dreamlike structure of the first few episodes of the season but do anticipate some forward movement soon. Also can't wait to see the Red Dragon.
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Jun 19, 2015 03:31
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Ok just to clarify: Hannibal killed and ate his sister, lied and convinced his Japanese lady friend that Richardson from Deadwood did it and tricked her into becoming his warden for eternity. He killed and ate his sister so he could forgive her for making him love her and now he's got to do the same for Will.
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Jun 19, 2015 04:02
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Japanese chick: yum.
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Jun 19, 2015 04:09
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Hannibal expresses love through cannibalism. Oh, Hannibal. There's been a lot of snails lately, is there any relevant snail symbolism?
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Jun 19, 2015 04:59
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HIJK posted:
Probably a reference to the pace of plot development
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Jun 19, 2015 05:42
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So apparently Season 3 was awful because it was too high concept... and now people are in. Thanks for judging two episodes (which were fantastic) you fucktards.
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Jun 19, 2015 06:02
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CaveGrinch posted:So apparently Season 3 was awful because it was too high concept... and now people are in. Thanks for judging two episodes (which were fantastic) you fucktards. Calm down dude, people are allowed to have different opinions.
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Jun 19, 2015 06:46
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CaveGrinch posted:So apparently Season 3 was awful because it was too high concept... and now people are in. Thanks for judging two episodes (which were fantastic) you fucktards. Yeah, it's some gauche artfag bullshit, yet utterly fascinating and original. I think this series is the most unique work ever done in a serial drama.
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Jun 19, 2015 07:16
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So Janice Poon posted my dinner photos on her blog last week, but she spelled my name wrong... http://janicepoonart.blogspot.com/2015/06/episode-2-primavera-primavera-pulse.html
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Jun 19, 2015 07:54
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When Hannibal is cutting open Anthony Dimmond's arm to cure it with salt, he's literally pouring salt on the wound. ***** Will tells Chiyo that if he were like Hannibal, he would have already killed Chiyo and eaten her. But this isn't true at all. Hannibal's MO seems to be to convince other people to kill. In this episode he puts Bedelia in a situation where she has to "technically" kill Sogliato. Will puts Chiyo in a situation where she has to kill the prisoner. I'm not sure what to make of that... is Will lying to maintain surprise when he springs the trap on Chiyo? ***** Hannibal might have actually spared Sogliato, if Sogliato had fully conceded that he was wrong about Hannibal and rude to him. Instead, he makes half-hearted praise, which I'm sure Hannibal takes as veiled insults. He says there was applause. He says there was wide-eyed acclamation. He says the group calls Hannibal "master." He says the committee has a new curator. Not once does he say that he feels Dr Fell deserves it or how he feels about Dr Fell's talent or that he's sorry about his earlier rudeness. It's almost like that scene in Amadeus where Salieri asks Mozart if he liked his new opera, and Mozart dances around the question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkpjB3brjqw Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Jun 19, 2015 13:45
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I think the dreamlike nature of the first 3 episodes is a good way to build tension as well as just show how outside the world Will Graham and Hannibal now live. They don't exist on our level anymore, all they see is art. I've really enjoyed the dream like nature of these episodes and the imagery is top notch. For example , Will Encountering the fire flies and then encountering the aunt, who has a lantern on her hip.
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Jun 19, 2015 14:28
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I loved Bedelia basically calling Hannibal out on him eating his own sister. In my preferred future of the series Hannibal's self-aggrandizing mystique and charisma gets progressively torn away to reveal him to be just a run-of-the-mill cannibal who's really good at convincing people he's not. Disappointed to see Will copycatting Hannibal with his dead guy mobile, though. C'mon, Will, you were way more interesting when you were just trying to be a good detective who got hosed up by all the dead people you had to deal with. Now I can't find that guy in you anymore and you're pretty much only interesting when you're dissecting Hannibal. That's a sign of a codependent relationship, Will.
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Jun 19, 2015 14:39
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Hollismason posted:I think the dreamlike nature of the first 3 episodes is a good way to build tension as well as just show how outside the world Will Graham and Hannibal now live. They don't exist on our level anymore, all they see is art. Fun fact that may also relate to an earlier question about snail symbolism: apparently European fireflies lay their larvae in/on snails and slugs. The larvae then eat the snails alive, with their prey not noticing for ages because of a poison the larvae give off. Do with that information what you will. I love this show and have really enjoyed how loving bonkers these last three episodes have been. Trying to imagine watching them as a newcomer to the series is difficult, though. It's just gone completely nonsense pretentious art-house, which I love. I think the second episode might have been strongest so far but I liked this week's as well. Looking forward to next week a lot.
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Jun 19, 2015 14:48
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I'm enjoying how Bedelia has become the most mysterious, enigmatic character on the show, even more so than Hannibal. I have two possible theories on her, and I can't decide which one I think is more correct. The first possibility is that she has come to the realization that she doesn't want to live without Hannibal, so her saying that she can navigate her way out of the situation means that she's perfectly willing to let Hannibal kill her if that's what he deems necessary. The second possibility is that she feels she's figured Hannibal out; that she knows why he kills and under what circumstances, and with that knowledge will be able to avoid putting herself in that position. Her main tactic appears to be "stay interesting, even if it means saying things to Hannibal nobody else ever would". Bedelia is a threat to Hannibal, and they both know it, but he won't kill her as long as she continues to fascinate him.
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Jun 19, 2015 15:05
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Ha, apparently the hand double they had who was going to do the pheasant-plucking and chopping up thing we see Chiyoh do was afraid of birds, so Janice did that herself.
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Jun 19, 2015 15:09
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HIJK posted:Hannibal expresses love through cannibalism. Oh, Hannibal. Is there ever. quote:Snails might not seem like a particularly romantic creature (unless served in butter at some mood-lit bistro in Paris), but in reality they’re nature’s Cupids. Certain snails reproduce using a “love dart,” a chitinous harpoon shot into the flesh of a potential mate as an act of courtship. [All together now: Awww!] Snail foreplay takes awhile, as you can imagine—up to six hours, according to the Wikipedia page for snail sex that I now have logged in my browser history—and Hannibal and Will too have been circling each other at a similar pace. Hannibal’s love dart took the form of a linoleum knife, but it marked Will as his just the same.
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Jun 19, 2015 16:42
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I just watched this at work on my lunch break and all I can think of to say is: if this show were a man, I would make love to this show.
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Jun 19, 2015 16:58
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Deakul posted:"How did your sister taste?" Surprised no one ever asked this to Jaime Lannister in Game of Thrones. When Chiyo asked Will if he was Hannibal's "very close friend" I turned to my roommate and said "technically, Hannibal's been inside of Will..." ruddiger fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Jun 19, 2015 16:59
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Episode post-mortem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9usA-x0-g8 Talking about Will's cute little ears 
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Jun 19, 2015 17:15
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Pictured: Hannibal's last moments with his sister
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Jun 19, 2015 17:33
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I was not expecting that but it makes perfect sense. ...this series has a lot of...eroticism? That's not the right word but jesus this codependency between Will and Hannibal is crazy.
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ruddiger posted:Surprised no one ever asked this to Jaime Lannister in Game of Thrones. ....They've shared meat; does that technically mean they know each other carnally?
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HIJK posted:I was not expecting that but it makes perfect sense. Astrofig posted:....They've shared meat; does that technically mean they know each other carnally? http://www.avclub.com/article/hannibals-bryan-fuller-mystery-freddie-lounds-murd-204383 Bryan Fuller posted:The [ortolan bunting] scene has a very bizarre sexuality to it, because it’s all of these close-up shots of things going in men’s mouths and then swallowing and eye rolling, so it’s hard not to think of the sexual subtext of what’s happening between these two guys at the same time. It felt like a lot was going on in the scene, not only just the communion but the exchange of body fluids, in a way, and swallowing for God’s sake. [Laughs.] So we can’t claim innocence on that scene. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Jun 19, 2015 19:10
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That 'Impulsive' part was probably the funniest scene so far in the show. Gillian's expression was absolutely priceless. I wonder if this was what Bryan was referring to when he said she had a hilarious bit in the new season.
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I'm placing my bets now that you are all going to poo poo yourselves within a couple of episodes, and that these few weird dream-like episodes will make a lot more sense when you look back on them. Spoiled speculation: Will is still in a coma and is chasing Hannibal through his mind palace. Will now knows Hannibal so well that he has is in his mind through the collective unconscious. Why is Will chasing Hannibal all on his own, and improbably jet-setting across Europe? Why was Abigail visible to the priest in the cathedral? How did Hannibal jet over to Palermo from Florence and back in time for dinner, without even knowing when Will would get there? Why does Jack say he is "here for Will", and the detective doesn't seem to mention having just spoken to Will a few days ago? How does Will know exactly where Hannibal's mansion is, while Hannibal "cannot ever go there"? Why does Chiyo say that Hannibal cannot go to his home because of bad memories? Why does Will deface the bearded man and hoist him, like the heart Hannibal sent Will? Because Will is inside Hannibal's mind. Watch this all again with that in mind and things will make a lot more sense. They've heavily leaned on mentioning Hannibal's mind palace when introducing these last two episodes, so I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone else come to this conclusion. I'm of two minds about whether Hannibal's one-on-one talks with Bedelia in this episode were also in his mind palace, rather than with the real her, but I think they are. She knew much more than she should have, and the therapy seemed to be more of a process of Hannibal talking things out to himself. Maybe his thinking about his sister was stemming from Will digging into his childhood memories. Anyway, call me crazy, but I'm putting this down now so I can quote it when it happens. Hannibal as the wendigo invaded Will's mind palace last season, and now Will is doing the same. He's going to wake up from the coma within a couple of episodes and know exactly where to look for Hannibal.
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That (general) theory's already been put forward by a couple people and certainly within the realm of possibility. edit: Bryan Fuller has even kinda spoiled it by bringing up the priest on social media, so for me the question is really whether that's a fake-out as well. Option A is that Will is awake and we are seeing things as they happen, Option B is that Will is still in a coma, Option C is that something else we haven't considered yet is happening, perhaps Will is sleepwalking through Italy and half the things he sees are real, half are imagined. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Jun 19, 2015 20:23
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How Darwinian posted:I'm placing my bets now that you are all going to poo poo yourselves within a couple of episodes, and that these few weird dream-like episodes will make a lot more sense when you look back on them. There's also the visual reference where Hannibal's face morphs into Will's as he says he "cannot ever go there".
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What does Hannibal say when Bedelia asks him about his young self? Something about Mephistopheles... something about being contemptuous?
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Jun 19, 2015 20:32
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That he rooted for Mephistopheles, and was contemptuous of Faust. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust quote:The story concerns the fate of Faust in his quest for the true essence of life ("was die Welt im Innersten zusammenhält"). Frustrated with learning and the limits to his knowledge, power, and enjoyment of life, he attracts the attention of the Devil (represented by Mephistopheles), who makes a bet with Faust that he will be able to satisfy him; a notion that Faust is incredibly reluctant towards, as he believes this happy zenith will never come. There are two different endings to this legend; in some versions Faust is taken to hell by Mephistopheles, and in other versions Faust is saved at the last minute by God. There are some obvious parallels to the show, Will and Bedelia are both making "deals with the devil" under the assumption that they can somehow come out on top in the end; Bedelia complies with Hannibal's murders thinking she can stay alive longer, and Will is becoming something of a Mephistopheles himself in order to think more like Hannibal and use that dark knowledge to capture him. If anyone wants to give us a more authoritative Faust dissertation like the Dante dissertation we got a few pages back, fire away! Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Jun 19, 2015 20:35
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joedevola posted:What does Hannibal say when Bedelia asks him about his young self? Something about Mephistopheles... something about being contemptuous? Referring to the play Faust, where the protagonist makes a deal with the devil, the proverbial Faustian bargain: unlimited knowledge in exchange for his soul. Mephistopheles is the figure that encourages Faust on his path, while he himself starts doubting his decision, ultimately reneging on the bargain. What Hannibal is saying is that he identified with the devil figure - Mephistopheles - and he felt outright contempt for the fallible, human Faust.
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Here's a fantastic video that was made to "La Course A L'Abime" (Ride To The Abyss, and The Pandemonium, from the Damnation of Faust opera by Berlioz): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL6-gTwuV8s At the end of the opera, Mephistopheles comes to Faust and tells him that a woman he loved is in great trouble, and that the only way to save her is if Faust sells his soul to Mephisotpheles. Faust agrees, and they ride on horses to rescue the woman, but Faust starts noticing things seem wrong along the way... quote:Faust The reverse psychology halfway through is great. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Basebf555 posted:I'm enjoying how Bedelia has become the most mysterious, enigmatic character on the show, even more so than Hannibal. I think Jack basically confirmed the second: Hannibal wants to be understood and accepted. Right now, Bedelia fills that role and Hannibal still feels like he is manipulating and forging her in his image (The set up with her patient, the latest victim "Technically, you killed him") . But I think that she considers herself already dead, possibly after the incident with her patient - certainly when we saw her at home she seemed haunted, barely there, robotic. Maybe she mentally died again when Hannibal found her after his bloodbath. So, since she is already dead and has no hope, all she can do is work to survive a gruesome death and defilement by placating Hannibal, teasing him just enough so he doesn't see through her. Trying to take what small pleasures she can in this limbo: dissecting a unique mind, forcing the man who destroyed her to see through his delusions of grandeur, numbing herself with fine wine. She's accepted that events will unfold despite her and all she can do is nudge them very slightly with her sitting at the train station in front of security cameras. I imagine she's hoping for death by SWAT and... if staying alive, even as a prisoner, ever becomes a faint possbility, she'll rise to the occasion and prepare a magnificent defence that places the blame for everything on Hannibal. After that, I'm not sure if she'll have anything to live for: seems like survival, understanding Hannibal and getting him to see himself as she sees him are all that's fueling her. How Darwinian posted:Spoiled speculation: I'm really, really hoping Chilton ends up being Hannibal's jailer like in Silence of the Lambs. His pettiness won't be wasted! Hannibal will get the worst food, the most annoying cellblock mates... He will allow shrinks to come gawk at him like the zoo monster that he is and Hannibal will have to go through labyrinthine red tape to get any creature comforts. Not to mention that he'll will bug his cell, analyse Lector regularly and publish his "findings" to great acclaim. Occasionally calling Hannibal, Gideon oops! *smug face* n3wt fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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How Darwinian posted:Spoiled speculation: This adds some intrigue to the scenes with the other characters and their respective POVs. (spoilered just in case) I don't recall Hannibal ever directly mentioning his brief encounter with Will Graham in the sewers after the fact to Bedelia (only vague conversation about Will trying to find him). And, Jack says a completely ambiguous line: "I'm here for Will Graham." Is he following Will's footsteps, or is he in Italy in his stead? The editing kind of supports this as well. One minute, Will Graham is waking up in a hospital bed talking to a ghost (the only person there to see him? No Jack? No Alana? Odd). The next, he's miraculously already on Hannibal's trail in Italy. Seriously, those two scenes came back to back.
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That's interesting, but you forget that this show has never had any respect for time or distance. Like in the first season with what's-his-face (Abigail's dad), where they routinely fly back and forth between Baltimore and Michigan like twice a day, or drive between VA and Baltimore like it's a 10 minute jog. Edit: Also, spoiling your baseless theories about a show is a stupid convention of this place, and makes reading these terrible threads even more of a chore. Just post it normally, you weird assholes.
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