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apologizing for spoiling speculations with a gratuitous picture of Mads Mikkelsen pretending to do martial arts before the arm chopping scene. https://twitter.com/lorettaramos/status/611718565591252992
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That Will is still in a coma fits some of what we've seen and things Fuller has said, but it's going to have to be pulled off remarkably well for me not to be irritated by it if that's what's going on. I hate wasting multiple episodes on poo poo that isn't really happening.
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Jun 19, 2015 23:54
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I think what I really want is for this show just to become an endless stream of Bedelia brutally owning Hannibal and making him cry
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The reason why "Hannibal can't go there" is because of the bad memories, not because Will is in a coma "inside of Hannibal's mind palace". The loose reality of Will's scenes is to show his deteriorated mental state. We're shown the hospital scene as a flashback that didn't actually occur, Will is imagining something that never happened. Will in Italy is happening, and Hannibal and BedeliaL_Harrison posted:I don't recall Hannibal ever directly mentioning his brief encounter with Will Graham in the sewers after the fact to Bedelia (only vague conversation about Will trying to find him). And, Jack says a completely ambiguous line: "I'm here for Will Graham." Is he following Will's footsteps, or is he in Italy in his stead? The editing kind of supports this as well. One minute, Will Graham is waking up in a hospital bed talking to a ghost (the only person there to see him? No Jack? No Alana? Odd). The next, he's miraculously already on Hannibal's trail in Italy. Seriously, those two scenes came back to back. I'm pretty sure that Hannibal and Bedelia directly discuss Will saying that he forgives Hannibal. And Detective Pazzi has interacted face-to-face with Will, did Will just imagine what Pazzi looked like while in a coma thousands of miles away? edit: fixed
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They did have that '8 months' title screen after he woke up. So it's not like it cut without any warning to Italy. I do wonder what Will was doing during those eight months though. I did not know people posted as the ywatched live, that seemed fun.Brock Samson posted:@MrAaronAbrams 7m7 minutes ago Regy Rusty posted:The internet has ruined my ability to take the word nakama seriously Are basically my main thoughts.
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Regy Rusty posted:I think what I really want is for this show just to become an endless stream of Bedelia brutally owning Hannibal and making him cry "How did your sister taste?" was soo good. I like to imagine everyone else piling on their own revenge, in their own way. Verger tries to feed him to pigs, Bedelia shrugs and walks away "you'll die the way you lived", he narrowly escapes but Chiyoh shoots him in the knee, Jack punches his lights out, he wakes up in Chilton's asylum with Alana telling him how his clothes, home decor and music tastes were tacky and the white cell is an improvement, Freddie Lounds makes a sick burn of an article on Hannibal's fancy schmancy european posing and capture and Will refuses to visit until a case requires it, only to deliver the iconic: "because you're insane". *mic drop*
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Ansiktsburk posted:That Will is still in a coma fits some of what we've seen and things Fuller has said, but it's going to have to be pulled off remarkably well for me not to be irritated by it if that's what's going on. I hate wasting multiple episodes on poo poo that isn't really happening. Counterargument: "It was all a dream" only sucks when it has no relevance to the waking world. There are some cases when "it was all a dream" actually works, if it reveals some information that changes your understanding of the waking world or is relevant in some other way.
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Ansiktsburk posted:That Will is still in a coma fits some of what we've seen and things Fuller has said, but it's going to have to be pulled off remarkably well for me not to be irritated by it if that's what's going on. I hate wasting multiple episodes on poo poo that isn't really happening. The nice thing is though, is that if it is true then it could still advance the plot. Will ultimately is going to catch Hannibal, but he's going to do it in a way that fits him as a character; he will catch him through his own deep understanding of Hannibal. The episodes wouldn't be wasted, they would be essential to Hannibal being caught. It also means that the episodes might make a lot more sense on reflection. I'd had this idea in mind already watching this latest episode and all of the weirdness made perfect sense in this context. Just give it a try!
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I wonder if we'll ever really know what Bedelia's deal is and why she apparently has a death wish.
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Yeah, hannibal tells bedelia that "he said he forgave me" and then they have that whole discussion on forgiveness. If all of the will scenes turn out to be in his mind I will be just as annoyed as when it turned out that will didn't actually kill freddie lounds even though they had that whole scene with will catching her (at his house? I don't remember where) and then a whole struggle ensuing and everything. It didn't make sense in retrospect if freddie was in on it the whole time; just like these hannibal/bedelia scenes won't make any sense if it turns out that hannibal didn't actually see will at the cathedral.Shbobdb posted:like they did with Gretchen when she took off her guise and wanted to be caught by the camera Also I hate to give this post any attention but what the hell are you talking about right here? gretchen? I don't remember this happening in either hannibal or homeland.
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BreakAtmo posted:Just wanted to note something. okay, i'll bite. what are you noting here, that an actor has more than one role? or is the second screencap from an episode of hannibal that we have all somehow missed?
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Panda Bear posted:It didn't make sense in retrospect if freddie was in on it the whole time;
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Panda Bear posted:okay, i'll bite. what are you noting here, that an actor has more than one role? or is the second screencap from an episode of hannibal that we have all somehow missed? Oh no, it's just for Supernatural fans who may not have recognised him (that second shot is of him in SPN as Death). I sure as hell didn't, until I remembered his name had been in the credits, and I was pretty stunned at how unrecognisable he was.
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Jun 20, 2015 08:36
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Senpai Hannibal-chan is my nakama uguu~
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Steve Yun posted:Freddie wasn't in on it the whole time. She broke into Will's barn, thought Will was a serial killer and was going to kill her, until Will captured her and (off screen) explained what his whole gambit was. Everything about it made sense. Except Will behaved like a goddamn lunatic, what with Kubrick stare and all, and might have even been killed. The only reason they shot this scene as they did is to make us go "Oh no, Will did the thing!" I kind of got used to that no character in this series actually talks like a proper human being but sometimes they push it too far.
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Welcome to opera.
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Steve Yun posted:So Janice Poon posted my dinner photos on her blog last week, but she spelled my name wrong... Just wanted to say, this is pretty cool Steve Yun 
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This show. This loving show. I like to at least think Will was doing the right thing, or at least thought he was doing the right thing. Like "hay imma let this guy go look I still have my soul," then goes back down and realizes he knew deep down, all along, how it was going to play out. The "I'm curious as to [what I'll do] myself" is the interesting part. This is Will's test as to whether or not he can come back from being Hannibal in Training. (Sous-chef?) I'm rooting for him, but knowing the way Red Dragon ends, I don't think he's gonna make it  .
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I'm getting my mother to watch Hannibal for the first time and as a way to break up the grim and gruesome murder she has decided to intersperse Pushing Daisies episodes as a bright and cheery palate cleanser.
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Steve Yun posted:Counterargument: "It was all a dream" only sucks when it has no relevance to the waking world. There are some cases when "it was all a dream" actually works, if it reveals some information that changes your understanding of the waking world or is relevant in some other way. How Darwinian posted:The nice thing is though, is that if it is true then it could still advance the plot. Will ultimately is going to catch Hannibal, but he's going to do it in a way that fits him as a character; he will catch him through his own deep understanding of Hannibal. The episodes wouldn't be wasted, they would be essential to Hannibal being caught. I'm okay with jumping straight into a character's mind for these purposes and others. I was okay with Abigail last episode, both because I didn't believe she had actually survived and because I felt she made a nice reflection of Will's conflicted mental state. But the "it was all a dream" device is a pet peeve of mine. I've seen it used poorly too many times, which is why I said it would have to be pulled off really well for me to not be irritated. If it were more clearly a dream from the beginning, I'd be more inclined to like it. I just don't like the "Ha! Fooled you!" aspects of it, the setting up of which is part of what I find wasteful about it. That's assuming that's what the show is building up to, though, which I don't think is a given since this show likes to move back and forth from dream-like to realistic. It's one of my favorite things about it.
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Assuming it's a dream, we'd have to see how it's used before knowing whether it was wasted or not. ***** Bedelia tells Hannibal that betrayal and forgiveness are best seen as something akin to falling in love. Hannibal replies that you can't control who you fall in love with. This is a bookend to his last conversation with Bella, when she said that you can't control whether you forgive somebody or not. ***** This whole season has had lots of talk of fairytales, which is a nice continuation of a theme that was brought up in season 2, that people dwell in fantasies to avoid dealing with the truth. - Kade Purnell lectures Alana that she can't make the truth go away by believing something else - Hannibal tells Will about his mind palace - Will tells Hannibal about his quiet stream - After the climax, Hannibal tells Will that he can avoid it all by going to his quiet stream - The very last shot in season 2 is Hannibal, closing his eyes, leaning his head back and presumably going to his own "quiet stream." One could argue that his whole life in Florence as Dr Fell with Bedelia as his rebound is his fantasy getaway from the trauma of being betrayed by Will. - Gideon tells Hannibal that he will be someone's prey someday, but says he won't ruin Hannibal's fairytale. Hannibal says "Let it be a fairytale, then" and the very next shot is him dancing with Bedelia. - Will tells Chiyo about how humans construct fairytales when they don't want to believe something ***** There was something sexual about Hannibal feeding Sogilato's liver to the committee member and his wife, a sexual aspect that we only saw previously when Will and Hannibal dined together. Mr Albizzi and his wife are practically orgasmic about the meal. ***** Will allowing the prisoner to get killed didn't sit well with me at first, but then I watched the episode over again and realized that Will had actually told the prisoner to go away. The prisoner went back to the prison on his own in an attempt to surprise and kill Chiyo, which means his punishment was deserved. But now it doesn't sit well with me for a different reason... did Will free the prisoner knowing that the prisoner would come back to attempt to murder Chiyo? It's almost a Calvinist predestination question. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Jun 21, 2015 |
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I used to be good at watching this show and catching its details and plot threads but now I'm firmly a  viewer.
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Steve Yun posted:Assuming it's a dream, we'd have to see how it's used before knowing whether it was wasted or not. The way Wil reacts afterward makes me think he didn't intentionally mean for it to have gone down the way it did, but I'm sure he's also realizing that subconsciously he's justifying his actions the same way Hannibal would ("I wanted to see what would happen.")
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Well on the ratings front, Hannibal held steady and even had a slight increase at 1.69 million. So at least it stopped losing it's audience... just it isn't gaining and is still in the ratings gutter.
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The Will stuff isn't making sense to me. I thought Will was "playing" a killer to trap Hannibal.....but has Will trapped and shaped himself into exactly what Hannibal wanted?
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WastedJoker posted:The Will stuff isn't making sense to me. I thought Will was "playing" a killer to trap Hannibal.....but has Will trapped and shaped himself into exactly what Hannibal wanted? That's it, that's what he's doing. Congrats, you made sense of it.
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Has anyone mentioned that the mothman (which I adored) looked a lot like a reference to Silence of the Lambs by way of Death's Head moth?
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I was totally confused by the mischa stuff because I couldn't remember if the series has mentioned her before and if the story is the same as book canon hannibal. Book hannibal did eat mischa, but in the context she was fed to him unwillingly. Is show h annibal implying he just killed her outright?
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I think that's what they're getting at though per that postmortem he caught somebody else killing her; she was dead when he found her.
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Wiggy Marie posted:Has anyone mentioned that the mothman (which I adored) looked a lot like a reference to Silence of the Lambs by way of Death's Head moth? I figured it was so obvious it wasn't even mentioned.
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It wouldn't make any sense for Will to be in a coma and then wake up when everyone keeps referring to stuff he's done, unless all of these episodes were solely in Wills head and imagination.
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If it were all in Will's head then why would we have the scenes with Jack Crawford? And with Bedelia, who Will shouldn't really know much of anything about? This show has got you all second-guessing everything and thinking it's even more ridiculous than it is.
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It's possible some scenes are in Will's head and some are not.
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It's possible you guys are nuts and they didn't waste three episodes having nothing actually happen.
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I really loved the setpiece of a creepy old lithuanian castle.
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Entropic posted:It's possible you guys are nuts and they didn't waste three episodes having nothing actually happen. Some of it is in Will's head though. Abigail is dead, so he wasn't actually talking to a dead person in the church. A Flesh Stag probably didn't actually come crawling after him either. It's just not all in Will's head and the people who think the entire last three episodes have been a dream are really reaching.
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King Vidiot posted:Some of it is in Will's head though. Abigail is dead, so he wasn't actually talking to a dead person in the church. A Flesh Stag probably didn't actually come crawling after him either. I never said the last three episodes are a dream. Hannibal is really in Florence and really killing people. Jack is really following up the leads. But Will is in Hannibal's mind palace. That doesn't make it all a dream. It just means that Will knows Hannibal so well that he can literally invade his mind. That's pushing the bounds of the supernatural, but Hannibal has never seemed to have a problem with that in the past anyway.
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Just caught up watching the last 2 eps. Pretty great, beyond being floored once again at launching directly into previews that spoil the major cliffhanger of last seasons finale. Love the show, hate with a passion the idiocy of the previews. Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Jun 22, 2015 |
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