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aBagorn posted:Netflix is trying out a weekly distribution model with one of it's new shows. Am I the only person who would like to see a daily distribution model?
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showbiz_liz posted:I've only found one article that really explains the funding structure so far, here it is. Basically: Gaumont produces it, and it is paid for by Gaumont and 'five to ten' other companies, including to some degree "several broadcasters across Europe" including AXN (a Sony property which has channels worldwide, across Asia and South America as well as Europe); DeLaurentis Co; and NBC. No one has reported on the actual proportions involved, but the general number I've seen thrown around is that, with the co-funding, it costs NBC about as much as a panel talk show. Entertainment Weekly posted:Sources say the first year cost the network a license fee to Gaumont of only $750,000 per episode If these numbers are true, and Season 4 would have cost about the same, then it would be foolish for nobody to pick this up.
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Jun 23, 2015 18:32
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xerxus posted:If these numbers are true, and Season 4 would have cost about the same, then it would be foolish for nobody to pick this up. Here's another link from Forbes - mostly it's the same info as the other two, but it's new and more credible-seeming than EW...
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Jun 23, 2015 19:28
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xerxus posted:If these numbers are true, and Season 4 would have cost about the same, then it would be foolish for nobody to pick this up. Maybe NBCs standards and practices censors have had mental breakdowns from the amount of naked art on display in Italy. NBC S&P: Feeding pieces of your face to dogs OK. Asscracks NOT OK. They probably saw too much renaissance nipples, maybe even a penis or two and went insane. There's an fantastic episode of Millennium (by Chris Carter of Xfiles) from the demons' point of view, called 'Somehow, Satan Got Behind Me'. One of them torments a TV standards and practices guy. The guy then goes and tries to censor a stripclub then takes a gun to the set of "X-files" with Scully and Mulder lookalikes and shoots a bunch of people only to have the footage of the killing spree be used in a future episode. Darin Morgan, who wrote the episode, was hounded by Fox S&P for overusing the word crap in an episode about cockroaches on the X-files Fox S&P: Incestuous wierdos burying a dead deformed baby and keeping limbless wife-momma on wheels under the bed: OK. Saying the word crap: NOT OK.
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Jun 23, 2015 19:32
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n3wt posted:Somehow, Satan Got Behind Me Millennium was a hell of an uneven show but that was one of the best episodes of stand-alone genre television imo
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Jun 23, 2015 19:36
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Apparently the flayed heart faun wendigo-bambi thing was a puppet and not CGI. http://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=6047
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Jun 23, 2015 19:38
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You know, I'm just spitballing here, but Epix is looking for scripted drama and they're co-owned by MGM. Wouldn't that be an ideal home for Hannibal? It'd definitely make the rights issue a lot easier to deal with.
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Jun 23, 2015 19:45
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hope and vaseline posted:Millennium was a hell of an uneven show but that was one of the best episodes of stand-alone genre television imo Yeah it's of theirs 'odd one out' episodes, sometimes they worked (José Chung) sometimes they went horribly (the KISS cameo episode). The show holds up well, I do a rewatch around christmas every year or so. Their internet and cellphones are obviously dated but the atmosphere in many episodes is dripping with dread and the aftermath of crime on both a killer and victims, the effects of tragedy are properly explored. Some episodes are a little gimmicky and you get the impression Fox was pushing for more procedural, more conspiracy and a lot less darkness. That first episode with a serial killer following the deadly sins, paraphrasing Yeats' second coming, Milton and Dante, trippy visuals and serious horror was all very reminiscent of Thomas Harris and his 'transforming' art inspired killers and their 'designs'.
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Jun 23, 2015 19:50
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Entropic posted:Apparently the flayed heart faun wendigo-bambi thing was a puppet and not CGI. They've been killing it with the special effects. The corpses and body parts have been so realistic. E.T.A: it's called the Hoofnibal by the fx crew and Stagenstein by Bryan Fuller n3wt fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Jun 23, 2015 |
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Jun 23, 2015 19:52
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Here's a good article that gives a brief overview of some possible new distributors.. This guy seems less sure about Netflix and less dismissive of Amazon than several other articles I've seen.
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Jun 23, 2015 19:52
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showbiz_liz posted:Here's another link from Forbes - mostly it's the same info as the other two, but it's new and more credible-seeming 
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Jun 23, 2015 19:55
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Entropic posted:Apparently the flayed heart faun wendigo-bambi thing was a puppet and not CGI. If I'm looking at this right, and Dimmer's stomach and chest became the stag's back... .... that means it probably has a wiener for a tail.
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Jun 23, 2015 20:03
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Forbes.com is basically a social media site for people who want to pretend to be syndicated columnists. They have this giant site full of literally thousands of "contributors" who are basically Just Some Guy writing articles with a traffic-based ad revenue model of some kind. The end result is that people are constantly linking to "an article on forbes.com" not realizing it has basically nothing to do with the print magazine.
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Jun 23, 2015 20:07
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Steve Yun posted:If I'm looking at this right, and Dimmer's stomach and chest became the stag's back... Take that S&P!
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Jun 23, 2015 20:11
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Steve Yun posted:If I'm looking at this right, and Dimmer's stomach and chest became the stag's back... But remember! Flayed, dismembered body: OK, Flayed penis/asscrack: Not OK.
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Jun 23, 2015 20:12
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The other stuff they've made for the show is also super creepy http://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=5729
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Jun 23, 2015 20:12
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Entropic posted:The other stuff they've made for the show is also super creepy http://www.mindwarpfx.com/fullgallery/ Some of these bring back lots of memories. I'm in awe and kinda grossed out at the fact that someone works for hours maybe even days on getting brutal injuries just right.
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Jun 23, 2015 20:17
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Oh my god the Beverly model
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Jun 23, 2015 20:23
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My bad on Forbes, had no idea. The tone of the cancellation coverage really has shifted overnight. Most of them now mention the renewal campaign and emphasize the fact that the show isn't necessarily doomed.
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Jun 23, 2015 20:49
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For a show with no viewers, it sure has a pretty vocal fanbase.
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MrAristocrates posted:Yep. I kinda hope they don't get it, because I really don't want to resubscribe to that poo poo service. showbiz_liz posted:with his over-the-top testes I had to chuckle a bit as this is how I read it. 
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Jun 23, 2015 21:15
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GrandpaPants posted:For a show with no viewers, it sure has a pretty vocal fanbase. Because a thousand people talking about something on the internet can make it look like ten thousand people care about it. See also: like 99% of online petitions/movements/causes that seem like they have a huge following and then miraculously don't end up succeeding or actually doing anything. In this case it's at least helpful for the show since streaming services actually kind of care about a show's online/social media following/support since a lot of those people are more willing to sign up for internet streaming services than your average TV viewer.
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Jun 23, 2015 21:16
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I heard network tv in general has taken a beating this year. Like a 20% drop across the boards in most cases. Is there any truth to that?
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hard counter posted:I heard network tv in general has taken a beating this year. Like a 20% drop across the boards in most cases. TV in general, both broadcast and cable, has taken a beating for the last several years.
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Jun 23, 2015 22:12
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A bunch of studies have come out in the last few years and confirmed the feeling that more and more people are switching from traditional TV/cable subscriptions and going to online only streaming services. Ratings are pretty much down across the board, and Netflix keeps getting bigger and bigger. It's partly why we've seen a bunch of networks scramble to put together some kind of online subscription/service in the last couple of years. They know they're bleeding customers and offering them more things online is a more reasonable solution/band-aid then trying to find the next Walking Dead or GoT ratings/viewers monster.
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hard counter posted:I heard network tv in general has taken a beating this year. Like a 20% drop across the boards in most cases.
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Jun 23, 2015 22:21
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n3wt posted:Maybe NBCs standards and practices censors have had mental breakdowns from the amount of naked art on display in Italy. NBC S&P: Feeding pieces of your face to dogs OK. Asscracks NOT OK. I remember a story from someone on 30 Rock about how the show had used the phrase "cat anus" too many times and that in the future they could use the phrase "cat anus" only 3 times a season. Standards and Practices seems like a really weird job to have, sitting around counting cat anuses all day. They did sneak this through S&P though, bless their hearts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-bvHlb2Fe8
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I don't particularly mind Hannibal being cancelled, as life with imitate art and Hannibal will be broadcast in Europe and Americans will wander around wondering where they can find it. Maybe. I don't particularly understand comments levelled at the shows aesthetic or bizarre qualities. I think it depends why you watch the show, and maybe television in general, but I am so pleasantly surprised that something like this is broadcast at all. The cinematography, sound, effects, acting and so on are all fantastic in my eyes, as I enjoy quite over the top and ridiculous media generally. In other shows the high brow is aped by having Air on the G String play and men grumbling in front of abstract expressionist art (see Daredevil)I don't confuse a show about a serial killer to be as sophisticated as the art it references, but to raise awareness of those arts so that people may go and experience it for themselves can only be a good thing. I work in the arts, particularly in outreach programmes, and I'd like it if more people watched shows like this rather than the Big Bang Theory or Agents of Shield if only so I didn't have to listen to the same four conversations about poo poo every day.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:I remember a story from someone on 30 Rock about how the show had used the phrase "cat anus" too many times and that in the future they could use the phrase "cat anus" only 3 times a season. Standards and Practices seems like a really weird job to have, sitting around counting cat anuses all day. The thing to remember about S&P is that they're not actually moral guardians clutching their pearls and going, "Won't someone think of the children!" even though that's how they're often thought of. Standards and practices exists to minimize the number of complaints the network gets so they don't get sponsors chased off or fined by the FTC. And of course, the view that people get of them is going to be entirely centered around the creative people reacting to their notes.
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n3wt posted:Maybe NBCs standards and practices censors have had mental breakdowns from the amount of naked art on display in Italy. NBC S&P: Feeding pieces of your face to dogs OK. Asscracks NOT OK. drat this is some fresh and original poo poo right here.
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Jun 23, 2015 23:00
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n3wt posted:Yeah it's of theirs 'odd one out' episodes, sometimes they worked (José Chung) sometimes they went horribly (the KISS cameo episode). The second season is some great tv with an amazing finale.
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VDay posted:A bunch of studies have come out in the last few years and confirmed the feeling that more and more people are switching from traditional TV/cable subscriptions and going to online only streaming services. Ratings are pretty much down across the board, and Netflix keeps getting bigger and bigger. It's partly why we've seen a bunch of networks scramble to put together some kind of online subscription/service in the last couple of years. They know they're bleeding customers and offering them more things online is a more reasonable solution/band-aid then trying to find the next Walking Dead or GoT ratings/viewers monster. Yeah it doesn't surprise me that Hannibal got taken down. It was always teetering on that edge of renewel/cancellation and with viewers steadily dropping their cable subscriptions (then maybe pirating just the one or two shows they like?) the axe man was always coming despite a small but solid viewership.
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Jun 23, 2015 23:13
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I would argue that in a visual medium like TV, the visual and design complexity the show has is as important as any complexity in the plotting or dialogue.
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Finally watching the first show, Gillian looks so loving old, it doesn't even look like her, is it her?? Is that intentional or did she age really, really badly? e: First of this season
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Yeah, I was surprised when I learned that women age, too. It's also not as if she might be made up to show eight months of stress on her character.
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Mameluke posted:Yeah, I was surprised when I learned that women age, too. It's also not as if she might be made up to show eight months of stress on her character. Uhh, okay. Last season, which was just a year ago she looked normal. I'll take that stress from being with Hannibal caused it, which I never thought of, and why I asked in the first place. Don't be so aggressive, you rear end in a top hat.
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Secret fact: Europeans aren't really any more intelligent than Americans I agree. But who doesn't enjoy a round of oral sex?
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Barreft posted:Uhh, okay. Last season, which was just a year ago she looked normal. I'll take that stress from being with Hannibal caused it, which I never thought of, and why I asked in the first place. You asked a dumb question in an incredibly rude way. In Hannibalverse you'd be part of some kind of serial killer art installation by now.
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Jun 24, 2015 03:18
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^^PARTIALLY. Most of him would be like, flambe'd in red wine and served one a bed of baby greens.
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Best case scenario, you're Freddie Lounds in the second episode with the weird implication that Hannibal banged you.
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