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Modest Proportion
Dec 16, 2012

"Oh wrangling schools, that search what fire
Shall burn this world, had none the wit
Unto this knowledge to aspire,
That this her fever might be it?"

"Did you just smell me?"
Oh I'm sure Alana isn't dressing like Margot on purpose, and certainly not to manipulate Verger's incestuous impulses.

Or because she fancies Margot.

#MarrowInTheBlood

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HIJK
Nov 25, 2012
in the room where you sleep
So is this going to be Murder Husbands vs. Mason Verger's The Avengers?

HIJK
Nov 25, 2012
in the room where you sleep

Modest Proportion posted:

Oh I'm sure Alana isn't dressing like Margot on purpose, and certainly not to manipulate Verger's incestuous impulses.

Or because she fancies Margot.

#MarrowInTheBlood

:shepicide: Good catch, jesus.

DOGS!

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
wow so even alana is willing to see hannibal eaten alive

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
DOGGUMS!

Dr_Strangelove
Dec 16, 2003

Mein Fuhrer! THEY WON!

:3::3::3::3::3:

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Modest Proportion posted:

Oh I'm sure Alana isn't dressing like Margot on purpose, and certainly not to manipulate Verger's incestuous impulses.

Or because she fancies Margot.

#MarrowInTheBlood

holy poo poo

Brock Samson
May 13, 2003

I let you know me, see me. I gave you a rare gift, but you didn't want it.

Serious question can you sail to Europe on something that size?

Brock Samson
May 13, 2003

I let you know me, see me. I gave you a rare gift, but you didn't want it.

Got drat

HIJK
Nov 25, 2012
in the room where you sleep
Did Will sail to Europe?

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
That episode really helped kick everything into high gear.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

♪ Come with me, and you'll be, in a world of pure imagination. ♪
If if hadn't been for that one shot of Hannibal writing, would this episode (that was ALL ABOUT Hannibal) not have had Hannibal in it at all (outside of flashbacks to previous episodes)?

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
So did last episode really happen or not?

Modest Proportion
Dec 16, 2012

"Oh wrangling schools, that search what fire
Shall burn this world, had none the wit
Unto this knowledge to aspire,
That this her fever might be it?"

"Did you just smell me?"

Jerusalem posted:

If if hadn't been for that one shot of Hannibal writing, would this episode (that was ALL ABOUT Hannibal) not have had Hannibal in it at all (outside of flashbacks to previous episodes)?

It's like reverse Rashomon, where everybody's stories are consistent, and it's their minds that are hosed up.

L_Harrison
May 21, 2007

FourLeaf posted:

So did last episode really happen or not?

Most likely. Everything tonight seemed to be before the events of the first 3 episodes.

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

Boooooshkalohhh

FourLeaf posted:

So did last episode really happen or not?

Barring some big twist, yes. This was essentially a flashback episode covering what was going on back here in the aftermath of the dinner up until Will left for Europe.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
You could have had this as the premiere- not sure if it should have been but it works either way.

hope and vaseline
Feb 13, 2001

But where are Jimmy Price and Brian Zeller? They are showing up eventually... right?

Maxwell Lord posted:

You could have had this as the premiere- not sure if it should have been but it works either way.

It would reaaally gently caress with the tension in the Abigail episode though.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Oh yeah, right.

Modest Proportion
Dec 16, 2012

"Oh wrangling schools, that search what fire
Shall burn this world, had none the wit
Unto this knowledge to aspire,
That this her fever might be it?"

"Did you just smell me?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDHEtiYncsY

I can't stop watching next episode's promo. And from what I've heard from the people who've watched the other big promo, it just gets better from here. How the gently caress is that even possible?

Bullshit question but I'm asking it anyways: What would it take or look like for the series to produce an episode that people compare with Ozymandias in terms of power and quality? Does it have enough cumulative tension and vulnerability to make one happen?

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

hope and vaseline posted:

But where are Jimmy Price and Brian Zeller? They are showing up eventually... right?

Fuller said they're coming up in the Red Dragon arc.

speshl guy
Dec 11, 2012

Modest Proportion posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDHEtiYncsY

I can't stop watching next episode's promo. And from what I've heard from the people who've watched the other big promo, it just gets better from here. How the gently caress is that even possible?

Bullshit question but I'm asking it anyways: What would it take or look like for the series to produce an episode that people compare with Ozymandias in terms of power and quality? Does it have enough cumulative tension and vulnerability to make one happen?

Ozymandias like the Breaking Bad episode? I think season 2's finale was powerful enough to warrant an equal reaction, had the audiences been comparable.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

L_Harrison posted:

Most likely. Everything tonight seemed to be before the events of the first 3 episodes.

Regy Rusty posted:

Barring some big twist, yes. This was essentially a flashback episode covering what was going on back here in the aftermath of the dinner up until Will left for Europe.

On the one hand, good. On the other hand that means Will really did string up the prisoner guy like some twisted moth piņata. Not good. Oh WIll :smith:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

♪ Come with me, and you'll be, in a world of pure imagination. ♪

FourLeaf posted:

On the one hand, good. On the other hand that means Will really did string up the prisoner guy like some twisted moth piņata. Not good. Oh WIll :smith:

To be fair, this isn't all that different from the situation with MECHA-BEAR in season 2 - a murderer is killed in self-defense by a would-be victim, and then Will uses the body as a prop to get closer to Hannibal. Of course, in this case Will deliberately manipulated the killer into the position to be killed to make him useful as a prop, so he is very definitely teetering on the razor's edge of becoming just another serial killer. I do like that though, because in the books they're always going on about how much the hunt for Hannibal hosed up Will's mind (which is why he's so reluctant to expose himself to him again in Red Dragon), and we're sure as hell seeing that in this show.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



Modest Proportion posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDHEtiYncsY

I can't stop watching next episode's promo. And from what I've heard from the people who've watched the other big promo, it just gets better from here. How the gently caress is that even possible?

Bullshit question but I'm asking it anyways: What would it take or look like for the series to produce an episode that people compare with Ozymandias in terms of power and quality? Does it have enough cumulative tension and vulnerability to make one happen?

That preview :aaaaa:

HIJK posted:

So is this going to be Murder Husbands vs. Mason Verger's The Avengers?

Everyone is gunning for Hannibal. Will might just run away with him this time :3:

Or kill him. Who knows. He is super crazy.

Despera
Jun 6, 2011

by Pragmatica

(and can't post for 68 days!)

Well that was a boring episode

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Also, was the new double for Muskrat Farm the Biltmore Estate (the one used in Ridley Scott's Hannibal)?

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008

Mameluke posted:

Also, was the new double for Muskrat Farm the Biltmore Estate (the one used in Ridley Scott's Hannibal)?

It looks a lot like Biltmore but I don't think it is.

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008
Well I loved this episode. And I really like how unhinged Will seems here, because it makes his behavior in the last two episodes much more explicable. In those episodes we're in his POV, but in this episode, we're seeing him like other people see him.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

♪ Come with me, and you'll be, in a world of pure imagination. ♪
Freddie was trying to warn everybody right from the start!

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
I'm only up to Will waking up flashback and it's amazing... $#@^$@#

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
I'm rewatching and I just absolutely love how after Chilton tells him this is his best possible world, he's not getting a better one, WIll immediately imagines a world where he had dined with Jack and helped Hannibal murder him. The explicit "I wanted to run away with him" wasn't even necessary.

Will is so hosed up.

CaveGrinch
Dec 5, 2003
I'm a mean one.

blablablabla posted:

Well that was a boring episode

People like you I wouldn't mind being purged from the ratings.

TLM3101
Sep 8, 2010



That was an amazing episode.

Hannibal has, what? 20, 30 seconds of screentime, total, and yet his influence is present in every single ( gorgeous, beautifully shot ) scene. This was kind of a 'breather' episode, but it really brought out how incredibly damaged everyone's become by what's happened to them; Alana growing cold and hard as ice, Jack broken down and having everything he ever loved taken from him, Will teetering on the edge of a full-blown break from reality.

Also... "Good as new". :stonk: :barf:

This loving show.

e: More to come once I've had a chance to re-watch the episode and gather my thoughts, but... Christ, this show is too good to be allowed to die.

TLM3101 fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Jun 26, 2015

BreakAtmo
May 16, 2009

Goddamn this was great. On every level. Especially Alana and Mason. The best unlikely partnerships have the most hatred and disrespect.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
Will? Buddy? You know you're not going to make it to Italy on that little thing, right? :ohdear:

I do like how Hannibal getting sloppy and leaving behind live victims is what's going to finally bite him in the rear end. Like, when you have Mason Verger and Jack on the same side, you done hosed up pretty bad. (Although I'm 99% sure Alana's playing him to get Hannibal to the FBI)

Noirex
May 30, 2006

First of all, Fishburne doesn't get nearly enough accolades for his acting, he was utterly heartbreaking in this episode. The fact that Gina Torres is his RL wife must have made it even harder to shoot. Her presence will also be greatly missed.

Second of all, it's the same bouquet Chilton brings every time right? I love the idea that no one wanted his flowers, so he just kept using the same bouquet for each visit.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
How did we get a TV Mason Verger on par with Gary Oldman. Seriously....

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
Was the tear that fell on the card Hannibal's or Jack's?

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Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
It was Schroedinger's tear

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