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Jerusalem posted:Wouldn't Miriam Lass already fit in as a subversion of the character? Or at least a mash-up of some of the elements of Clarice AND Will's stories from the novels? I think she would!
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Jose Oquendo posted:I really, really, really, really can't wait for Dollarhyde. I watched manhunter (had never seen it) and red dragon this weekend (been a while since I seen it). seems like everyone prefers manhunter? WHY? the dragon's reveal was jamming to in a gadda da vida (or whatever)? um okay. I'll take the guy who goes into the museum and eats a william blake painting, thank you. red dragon (movie) was a lot closer to the book. I was so excited to see that there's at least 3 (I think) episodes with dolarhyde this summer. although what are they going to do since they already shoved "freddy" down the parking garage in a flaming wheelchair? maybe ol francis can come up with a more spectacular death for that hussy. UGH! I'm upset michael pitt isn't mason anymore. he was amazing! resting mitch face fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Jun 29, 2015 |
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Soooo, I watched this episode at work on my lunch break today, and that was really not a good idea as almost four years ago I had to do what Jack did to Bella to my mother. Not a good idea. I still kept watching, though  Now that I've recovered, let me add myself to the list of assholes this show was made for. Love love love that detail towards the end of Alana speaking with Mason while wearing a black equestrian-esque outfit. Nice touch there. Also loved the funky music during Mason's surreal surgery scene, and at the end credits.
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Jun 29, 2015 18:22
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Millie posted:
Yea that's the one glaring problem with Manhunter that keeps it from being THE definitive adaptation of the book. I'll never understand why they went that route.
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Basebf555 posted:Yea that's the one glaring problem with Manhunter that keeps it from being THE definitive adaptation of the book. I'll never understand why they went that route. On the other hand: Will Graham's lavender booty shorts
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Jun 29, 2015 18:37
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You just have to mentally substitute Iron Butterfly with whatever your go-to badass powerlifting anthem is, and that movie is perfect. 
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A friend of mine wrote an article comparing the Will-meeting-Hannibal-in-jail scenes in Manhunter and Red Dragon. The main point - "Mann, who wrote the screenplay, had much more freedom to create his version of the story. Ratner, even with his glaring limitations as a director, was still working under two decades of cultural cruft built up around the Hannibal Lecter mythos and dealing with a studio that desperately wanted to make people forget about 2001’s little-loved Hannibal. Manhunter could be whatever the hell Mann wanted it to be, Red Dragon had to remind people of Silence Of The Lambs until they screamed Bingo."
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Jun 29, 2015 18:42
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What's the bicycle wheel around Alana in the hospital supposed to be/do?
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Jun 29, 2015 19:43
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I think it's in order to keep the spine completely stable whilst it heals I'd do a image search to prove this but I'm squeamish and get nauseous just from thinking about it
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Jun 29, 2015 19:52
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The search term you'd use is "pelvic traction" but I can't find any real-world examples that look anything like that.
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Yeah, they went a wee grandiose with the stabilizer and made it look more like a torture device. Perfect in my book.
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Jun 29, 2015 20:06
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Also you're in total pelvic traction with basically a medical bikini bottom on with no way to defecate or urinate in this big empty sheeted off room with a flat bed.
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Jun 29, 2015 20:11
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Unfortunately for Alana, in the Hannibal universe all medical equipment and indeed hospital architecture is designed by Carl Rudolph Stargher.
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Jun 29, 2015 22:09
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In the Hannibal universe, vital signs monitors, IV drip lines and other medical equipment are banned because they're not elegant.
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Jerusalem posted:Unfortunately for Alana, in the Hannibal universe all medical equipment and indeed hospital architecture is designed by Carl Rudolph Stargher.  Nah, there was a sale on medical bikinis and high tech plastic arches at the Prometheus liquidation sale 
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Jerusalem posted:Unfortunately for Alana, in the Hannibal universe all medical equipment and indeed hospital architecture is designed by Carl Rudolph Stargher. Stargher would have designed a series of hip and leg ring piercings laced together to hold it all in it's place and Alana would be in a tank with some sort of inquisition style looking headgear. *shudder* THIS IS A PSA: If you like Hannibal and Vincent d'Onifrio: watch The Cell. Download it, get the DVD but make sure you can rewind, pause and fast forward it. The visuals are amazing, the costumes are glorious, the art references are superb and you'll want to see every single detail, frame by frame, when she's in Starghers mind. The first time she's in, your jaw will drop and you'll barely breathe until she's out. D'Onofrio plays half a dozen facets of a man from good to evil in completely different and recognizable ways yet you can still tell that they're all part of one psyche. You'll want the fast forward because the feds are ridiculously incompetent, their scenes are just dudes standing around going "uuuuh we gotta find him" "uuuuuh we gotta find his victim" and because there's a scene of domestic violence against a kid that's just so real that you'll forget you're watching a movie and want to go yell "gently caress this rotten earth" out of the window. Press fastforward when you see 1/suits 2/the iron if you want a cool scary movie about the beautiful hosed up mind of a serial killer that stays in the realm of horror-fantasy. Steve Yun posted:In the Hannibal universe, vital signs monitors, IV drip lines and other medical equipment are banned because they're not elegant. Does anyone urinate/defecate other than Will's dogs in this universe? because nothing was set up for those rather vital functions in the hospital scenes! Gideon didn't seem to have anything more than an IV after losing his leg and I'm pretty sure Hannibal wouldn't want to clean up non blood "messes" on his fancy floors. I love it when in movies or tv, a character wakes from a coma, rips out their breathing tube and IVs then gets up. "You forgot one! That's gonna really really hurt!"
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Jun 29, 2015 23:21
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TEAH SYAG posted:Yeah, they went a wee grandiose with the stabilizer and made it look more like a torture device. Perfect in my book. I couldn't stop thinking about how bad it would suck if she coughed or sneezed really hard
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n3wt posted:THIS IS A PSA: I'd like to add that Hannibal definitely copied some imagery from The Cell.  I'm not sure I'd say it was a good movie, but it's still worth watching for having some insane imagery.
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TEAH SYAG posted:Yeah, they went a wee grandiose with the stabilizer and made it look more like a torture device. Perfect in my book. It's pretty horrific IRL, a system of rods in the bone that stick out and are held together by stabilizing rods with nuts and bolts then straps around your knees and straps or boots pulling on your ankles to keep everything taut and in it's place.
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Yeah, in terms of being a whole movie I was somewhat disappointed by The Cell, but the visual imagery is just astonishing, and D'Onofrio's performance is incredible. I need to check out The Fall by the same director, it's supposed to be just as visually stunning.
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  Might be a stretch, but it seems like a reference to the Joker's surgery in the 1989 Batman. Weird thing is... when we're in the scene where Mason gets his reconstructive surgery, the aspect ratio switches to cinemascope. Any idea why?
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Jun 30, 2015 00:55
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That IS a stretch, and all the flashbacks were in 2.39.
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Jun 30, 2015 00:57
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Isn't it the same trick from Antipasto, signifying flashbacks?
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Jun 30, 2015 00:58
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edit: The odd one out seems to be Will imagining killing Jack, which is his daydream but is letterboxed anyways. In the first episode, we also got black and white on Gideon's flashbacks. Why? I don't know. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Millie posted:YES. I loving love Manhunter. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3595646&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
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Steve Yun posted:edit: The odd one out seems to be Will imagining killing Jack, which is his daydream but is letterboxed anyways. That scene comes right after Chilton's line about the other worlds; that scene's how Will wishes he remembered that night, so I think it makes sense. Not sure why they've eschewed black-and-white, maybe to show how present the trauma still is in the cast's lives? Alternatively, black-and-white might symbolize Hannibal's perspective; his "murder" of Miriam was, while Bedelia's flashback was in colour.
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Steve Yun posted:I'd like to add that Hannibal definitely copied some imagery from The Cell. To be fair, they basically stole that wholesale from a Damien Hirst exhibit:  edit: Which might be where Hannibal got it from, too, actually.
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Jerusalem posted:Yeah, in terms of being a whole movie I was somewhat disappointed by The Cell, but the visual imagery is just astonishing, and D'Onofrio's performance is incredible. I need to check out The Fall by the same director, it's supposed to be just as visually stunning. Immortals is also visually amazing, although arguably weak in other regards. The entire film is shot to look like a renaissance painting. It's not a great movie, though.  
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I've really been enjoying this season so far. Especially Bedelia, but I've always loved her. If I knew how to make gifs I'd switch out my av for one of hers. Watching her verbally poke Hannibal then sink into the tub was fantastic. Also, I really enjoyed this last episode just because we got to see how everybody came out of the last season transformed. I like that it wasn't all psychological either, that they all have some sort of physical wound to carry with them as well. I'm really excited to see where this is going.
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Periodiko posted:It's not a great movie, though. Candidate for Understatement of the Year, right here. There's some really uncomfortable misogynistic moments in that film and a whole lot of bad acting. To this date, it's the only film I've ever walked out of. And I've seen Stay Alive.
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Millie posted:
Holy poo poo! I'm dumb and didn't even realize it wasn't Michael Pitt!
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New guy is getting by, by channeling Gary Oldman's version, but his Mason is kinda... lethargic? I liked Pitt's because even after he got his face torn off he was bright eyed and still enjoying being super sarcastic. He was still a steel coil, ready to spring. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Thank God NBC is keeping its focus on quality programming like Nickelodeon Guts!: Grownup Addition, America's Got Future Myrtle Beach Variety Show Acts, Bear Gryll's Walmart Island, Dick Wolf's Magical Cliche Factory, The James Spader Show: Starring a Woman Who is Actually a Bowl of Oatmeal, The Kathy Lee Gifford is a Human Wasteland Hour, and Sitcom We Desperately Hope Will Fill the Void Parks and Recreation Left Behind. God is in His Heaven and all is right with the world. Praise be to Comcast.
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Steve Yun posted:New guy is getting by, by channeling Gary Oldman's version, but his Mason is kinda... lethargic? Understandable, but I feel that time has slowed Verger now that he realizes how pathetic he is. I loved Pitt, but the new Verger is pulling this poo poo off very well.
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Jose Oquendo posted:I loving love Manhunter. DeadFatDuckFat posted:Holy poo poo! I'm dumb and didn't even realize it wasn't Michael Pitt!  he also didn't immediately make me want to crawl out of my skin like Pitt did. I'm kind of glad they didn't make Margot a body building lesbo who like to crack walnuts with her hands (walnuts = testicles?). Mason's blobfish face is kind of cool too. CORDELL. CORDELL!!!
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I'm just copy/pasting a previous post here, with some modifications to take into account my finely aged tastes: I enjoy Red Dragon as it's own movie. I don't think either movie does a great job of adapting the work they're based on, but in a toss up between the two, I really hate the ending of Manhunter. And I admit I struggle to push past the sheer 80s of it all. Even though Silence of the Lambs came out in '91, it still makes good use of an 80s song that doesn't date the entire work and come off silly in retrospect. That Goodbye Horses scene is still creepy as poo poo. A huge part of the book is a character study of Dolarhyde and why he is the way he is, very little of which made it into either movie. In RD, Will Graham's crazy is completely missing, and he's turned into Generic Grizzled Detective. There's no real sense for why Jack goes to him and begs for his help; it's completely missing the emphasis on the logical leaps he takes only because of his empathy. You just see him do things but there's no explanation or visualization for why. RD movie is just a literal telling of what happens in the book without any of the character introspection and a tweak to the ending. It's a shame because Reba's an awesome character in her own right and you just get none of that. Plus you don't even meet Wendy or get any backstory on Freddy Lounds, so he's just Generic Slimeball Reporter. It's sad because I think Edward Norton could portray that aspect of the character based on past roles (thinking of it, he's got a lot of roles that deal with crazy in some way...) but it's completely missing in that movie. As for the physical changes in the actors, eh, I can't say I really care. Thomas Harris describes his characters at great length, and neither Hopkins nor Mikkelson look anything like Lecter is supposed to, but they do well enough with the roles that it doesn't matter. The closest Lecter, physically, is probably the dude from Manhunter. All this to say, if the actor does a good enough job, the physical changes shouldn't really matter.
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Jerusalem posted:I need to check out The Fall by the same director, it's supposed to be just as visually stunning. It is! The visuals are insanely beautiful, and a lot of that is due to the incredible filming locations from all around the world. It's a good movie, too, starring a little 5-year-old girl who is genuinely adorable, and Lee Pace, who is also genuinely adorable.
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Was I alone in thinking the new Mason was Kevin Bacon?
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Jose Oquendo posted:Now I really want a character named Beefalo Bill. They could just turn the character's actual name into William Cody, and nobody in the show will commentate on the irony. Then his nickname will be completely unrelated.
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n3wt posted:Stargher would have designed a series of hip and leg ring piercings laced together to hold it all in it's place and Alana would be in a tank with some sort of inquisition style looking headgear. *shudder*
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