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Yay for the stag also yay for Hannibal's I can't chat now line, so cheesy. e: Posted before the end of the episode G'WON LARRY YA loving MANIAC! e2:I am all about this beatdown EmmyOk fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Jul 3, 2015 |
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A Tin Of Beans posted:I'm not gonna lie, that's been part of the appeal of this season. It's incredibly weird how self-involved the show has gotten, and that's somehow just incredibly charming for me to watch. I can't imagine someone who was channel surfing catching the first episode of the season and going "yeah, I want to watch this!" - it was just impenetrable for a new viewer. The show doesn't care if a viewer is off-balance, and in fact pretty much wants people to be confused as to the reality of situations, and that's. It's weird and I love it. Watching a show go from slightly pretentious police procedural/serial killer drama to, uh ... 80's art house film set in Italy? Amazing. This post sums up exactly how I feel. I'm well aware it's getting pretentious as hell (although I think "up its own rear end" is one of the worst criticisms anyone can possibly make about a piece of art) and that the dialogue especially is getting too flowery but man it's just so so so much fun to watch. This is already my favourite season and that is really high praise.
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Jul 4, 2015 00:33
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EmmyOk posted:Yay for the stag also yay for Hannibal's I can't chat now line, so cheesy. Yeah Lawrence is built like a linebacker (his shoulders just seem to get broader with age!) and Mads is a former dancer/gymnast. He could dodge and spin and pre-plan within his kitchen domain with so many weapons at hand but in a mano a mano fight, they're fairly evenly matched in skill but in weight, there's no contest. The hole left in the kitchen wall where Jack body slammed him can attest to that. Jack's a heavyweight and I was genuinely surprised when several of his hooks didn't knock Hannibal out cold. I guess too many of those torture devices were to clunky to use as weapons otherwise H would have tried to slice his way out of the fight. He walked away with an intact jaw and not spitting blood probably because it would really mess things up for the show if he mumbled even more! It's always odd when Hanniball gets really tasteless, I mean technically we know that he's cannibal sadist trash maskerading as an artiste but dayum... the way he was talking about Bella! I thought at first he was hoping to destabilize Jack but after a while and he was still at it, it just felt like he was goading Jack to kill him. Is that the end game? Get killed? Or is he arrogant enough to think he can just change continent again and get away scot free after leaving so many motivated smart rich victims? Maybe once Hannibal has let you see him, he's the sucky sucky noises, tasteless jokes, cackling cheapshot bully that we got to see at times in SotL. Here's hoping Will remembers this sooner than later: "I see him as one of those pitiful things, sometimes born in hospitals. They feed it, keep it warm, but they don’t put it on the machines. They let it die. But he doesn’t die. He looks normal and nobody can tell what he is.”
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Jul 4, 2015 00:38
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n3wt posted:It's always odd when Hanniball gets really tasteless, I mean technically we know that he's cannibal sadist trash maskerading as an artiste but dayum... the way he was talking about Bella! I thought at first he was hoping to destabilize Jack but after a while and he was still at it, it just felt like he was goading Jack to kill him. He does this when he's cornered. If he can't use physical violence, he turns to psychological violence. It's exactly the same thing he did when the Sardinian guys captured him last season. Once he's incapacitated, he immediately begins saying very cruel things, because that's all he has left to manipulate people with.
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Jul 4, 2015 01:08
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I like to imagine in the Season 2 finale that Larry wasn't supposed to Suplex Mads and it was just him going wild.
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Jul 4, 2015 01:21
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PostNouveau posted:Sweet! Glad to hear it's not all doom and gloom. Just came across this - basically DeLaurentiis Co have been saying "there is a reason we can't comment on the current rumors and contract stuff but if there was any actual news we would announce it ourselves"
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Jul 4, 2015 01:22
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n3wt posted:I thought at first he was hoping to destabilize Jack but after a while and he was still at it, it just felt like he was goading Jack to kill him. Is that the end game? Get killed? Or is he arrogant enough to think he can just change continent again and get away scot free after leaving so many motivated smart rich victims? If we go with the Hannibal = Satan theme, his success comes from tricking people into becoming worse people. Pazzi tried to sell Hannibal for a bounty despite it being against the law. In that case Hannibal doesn't even make an effort to corrupt Pazzi, he just has that effect on people. If he enrages Alana or Jack or Will or Chiyoh enough that they become murderers, he wins, even if he dies in the process. It looks like Jack is the strongest against Hannibal's mind games. He warns Pazzi against hunting Hannibal outside of the law, and gives his own failure as an example. Despite beating Hannibal to a pulp and despite Hannibal's goading I have a feeling Jack didn't actually intend to kill him. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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Jul 4, 2015 01:28
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I really think this will be the last season of Hannibal unfortunately, it's sad cause it's such a niche program, that's it is difficult to get new viewers. I mean this season is so incredibly unfriendly to new viewers, I'm surprised NBC airs it at all. It really is it's own thing. Also, with the licensing deals , it's unlikely another place would pick it up just to air it with in the US.
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Jul 4, 2015 03:44
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Hannibal doesn't seem to watch much TV. I doubt he'd be interested in America's Got Talent. He'd probably be disgusted by the food that's massacred on Chopped. Maybe he'd like Seinfeld, who doesn't? But would Hannibal watch...Hannibal?
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Jul 4, 2015 03:51
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I think what I loved most of all about the episode was how as we deflate Hannibal and get closer to the actual Harris novels, the earthy dialogue and nature of at least two of the characters come out. As the balloon of the fantastic setting is bursting in the show, Hannibal's pathetic self is slithering out of his refined skin. The way he talks about Bella and the preference for bowels out as he's being backed into a corner start to show, along with Verger's pungent lines about, "spitters and quitters," really stood out to reveal that underneath all the pomp and money, Verger and Hannibal are filthy and low, as high as either of them pretends to be. Thomas's books weren't afraid to be a piss yellow opera when it's characters were able to let their hair down, so it was fun to see the visage crack on not just the characters, but the world it's set it.
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Jul 4, 2015 04:02
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Five minutes after the end of the episode, Brock Lesnar would catch up to Hannibal. It turns out the torture isn't being cooked and eaten, but actually 15 straight minutes of german suplexes. Seriously though that beatdown, Hannibal was expecting Will to show up and be all angsty murder buddies and then Jack just loving caves his face in instead, which is ... not what he wanted. The best part is Jack throwing all his murderflair back into his face—the record, stalking him from behind, the grappling hook torture thing, basically just going IS THIS WHAT YOU LIKE WELL HAVE SOME. Wonderful. 
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Jul 4, 2015 05:33
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I can't get over just how amazing that fight was. A perfect blend of the current tone of the show with an actual exciting moment. I loved the dark comedy nature of it and gently caress it was just SO well-made and written and acted
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Jul 4, 2015 06:37
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The look on Jack's face when he said "Alive!" was just the best.
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Jul 4, 2015 08:10
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I think the series owes just as much to the 1987 Horror Comedy 'The Lost Boys' than it does to 'Hannibal'. The main character becomes infatuated with a villain who attempts to transform the hero into themselves.   The light reflecting in Wills eyes is reminiscent of Michael going into 'vampire mode' whilst also having a similar conversation about destroying the villain in order to save themselves. He's also thrown off a train soon afterwards, whilst in 'The Lost Boys' he falls from a train tracks in order to prove his vampire virility, or something. Plus all the homoerotic undertones. 
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Jul 4, 2015 08:54
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Suplex baby!
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Jul 4, 2015 10:47
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Onje detail I missed while watching initally that I saw upon rewatch, Jack removed his shoes before fighting Hannibal. It's how he got the jump on Hannibal. It's a very smart move.
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Jul 4, 2015 13:58
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PassTheRemote posted:Onje detail I missed while watching initally that I saw upon rewatch, Jack removed his shoes before fighting Hannibal. It's how he got the jump on Hannibal. It's a very smart move. It's the same scene as when Hannibal sneaked up on Miriam Lass.
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Jul 4, 2015 14:10
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EmmyOk posted:It's the same scene as when Hannibal sneaked up on Miriam Lass. Pretty much everyone is Hannibal at this point.
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Jul 4, 2015 14:28
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JossiRossi posted:Pretty much everyone is Hannibal at this point. He is a great role model.
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Jul 4, 2015 15:00
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He comes in the guise of a mentor, but it's distress that excites him.
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Jul 4, 2015 15:02
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JossiRossi posted:Pretty much everyone is Hannibal at this point. I'm on the fence about Jack. I mean, he does the shoeless thing which suggests he's becoming like Hannibal, but at the same time he warns Pazzi not to hunt Hannibal outside the law, which suggests he was maintaining his integrity. Also Alana is driving a revenge campaign against Hannibal, but balks when she discovers Mason wants to throw Pazzi under the bus. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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Jul 4, 2015 15:38
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The best part about "alive" face is that Hannibal was trying to pull his usual "Guess I turned you into a killer  " and Jack did not give a crap and, in fact, was lovin' that poo poo. He totally called Hannibal's bluff and it was one more absolutely fantastic angle to that scene.EmmyOk posted:Suplex baby! SU-PLEX CIT-Y! *clap clap clapclapclap*
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Jul 4, 2015 16:11
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Steve Yun posted:I'm on the fence about Jack. I mean, he does the shoeless thing which suggests he's becoming like Hannibal, but at the same time he warns Pazzi not to hunt Hannibal outside the law, which suggests he was maintaining his integrity. "Hannibal has a certain personality style we can all learn from; in moderation, of course." Will's the only one not taking his own advice.
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Jul 4, 2015 18:48
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PassTheRemote posted:Onje detail I missed while watching initally that I saw upon rewatch, Jack removed his shoes before fighting Hannibal. It's how he got the jump on Hannibal. It's a very smart move. Where was your amazing sense of smell now Hannibal?
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Jul 4, 2015 18:49
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Hannibal mentioned that the weather was cool enough for curing meat. That means Jacks feet were not smelly. TACTICAL REALISM MAINTAINED.
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Jul 4, 2015 19:08
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Jack started playing music which everyone knows dulls your other senses. That's why everyone has to turn down the car radio when they're driving in fog.
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Jul 4, 2015 19:11
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For all his super spiderman senses, somehow Hannibal either couldn't tell where the music was coming from, and/or forgot where the record player (of course) was located. Also, how the gently caress did they discover Scully's wine purchasing pattern? Maybe it was explained and I missed it... but it's not like the small mom & pop shop has an integrated real-time inventory and accounting system one could hack into. So did they have someone go through all wine shops everywhere and dig through their receipt carbon copies? Anyway, I'm definitely enjoying this as much as the previous seasons but it does being to approach being a bit too much. I think the advantage of having the occasional MoTW episodes was that they'd break up the intensity and endless closeup and slomo poo poo about snails with other random creeps and people behaving more or less normally at the FBI.
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Jul 4, 2015 19:39
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Keep in mind the time frame of them finding that store after Alana got put with Verger is around the time it takes to sail to Italy. And that Verger has basically unlimited funds to hire any number of local people to go around and start casually chatting up store owners about specific wines and truffles. And more than enough to bribe said owners into giving up the receipts.
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Jul 4, 2015 20:45
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I think Will HAS to go down the rabbit hole to have a chance of resolving this alive. Much less saving people. I don't really remember how everything was resolved - in particular, Hannibal's capture -- in the movies, and haven't read the source. Isn't it one of Hannibal's defining characteristics as a criminal? That he has made it so that you would have to work outside the criminal justice system, in order to catch/kill him at all? I still can't see how they end up catching him. Killing him, maybe. Capture, while obviously where this is headed, still seems impossible.
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Jul 4, 2015 20:57
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Jon Do posted:I think Will HAS to go down the rabbit hole to have a chance of resolving this alive. Much less saving people. I don't really remember how everything was resolved - in particular, Hannibal's capture -- in the movies, and haven't read the source. In the books, Will realizes Hannibal is the ripper, calls the FBI but gets gutted by Hannibal while doing so. The FBI catches Hannibal soon after. In the movies, Will gets gutted too, but I think he overpowers Hannibal despite that.
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Jul 4, 2015 21:24
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In the movie he gets gutted by Hannibal, then HANNIBAL EXPOSITION leads directly to Will shooting Hannibal and then a basically undamaged Will recuperates and so does Hannibal the end tada. To be honest, this thread is way more interesting than any episodes of this entire season except for maybe jack attack. Saying it's just self indulgence is just the surface, it's the loving diabetic coma after a 450 pound shut-in decides to eat his own weight in ice cream. thatguy fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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Jul 4, 2015 22:24
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Does anyone else think they're setting up Alana as Clarice? She has the drive and the profiling background, and they also used some SOTL dialogue during the phone call.
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Jul 4, 2015 22:33
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HIJK posted:Does anyone else think they're setting up Alana as Clarice? She has the drive and the profiling background, and they also used some SOTL dialogue during the phone call. I don't think she can pull off Clarice after the places she's gone this season. Clarice gives a poo poo about the lambs. Alana would be more likely to use them as bait.
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Jul 4, 2015 23:25
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Not that it's going to be Miriam, but Miriam makes more sense because she'd have PTSD and people looking at her with distrust
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Jul 4, 2015 23:52
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Maybe it'll be Molly Graham. She's supposed to appear this season, presumably after the time jump (Is that confirmed by the way?)
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Jul 5, 2015 00:35
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Clarice's entire storyline is based on the fact that she was sent to meet Hannibal for the first time when he was already in prison, with no agenda and no previous experience with him. Other people on the show can do things Clarice did, but none of them can 'be' Clarice in that sense.mobby_6kl posted:Also, how the gently caress did they discover Scully's wine purchasing pattern? Maybe it was explained and I missed it... but it's not like the small mom & pop shop has an integrated real-time inventory and accounting system one could hack into. So did they have someone go through all wine shops everywhere and dig through their receipt carbon copies? I think the wine is supposed to be rare enough that you could pretty much get together a list of every store that sold it.
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Jul 5, 2015 00:45
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thatguy posted:To be honest, this thread is way more interesting than any episodes of this entire season except for maybe jack attack. Saying it's just self indulgence is just the surface, it's the loving diabetic coma after a 450 pound shut-in decides to eat his own weight in ice cream. That seems a little strong. Honestly, I think if the second and third episodes had just been compressed into one, people would be way, way less down on this season, even with all the weirdness. The reason I like this show in the first place is because it's artsy and experimental just for the hell of it, and because it's constantly changing the status quo. Having already gotten away with turning a network crime procedural into a gothic vampiric seduction-of-the-innocent tale, they decided to take it one step further and do a trippy nonlinear Euro-odyssey for the first part of season 3. And it turned out not to be to everyone's taste - but for everyone who just can't stand it, bear in mind that this season is basically constructed like two miniseries. The snails will be gone soon enough.
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Jul 5, 2015 01:01
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I'm still really enjoying the show. It's been slow, but I don't understand feeling angry or let down by this.
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Jul 5, 2015 02:45
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Jon Do posted:I'm still really enjoying the show. It's been slow, but I don't understand feeling angry or let down by this. If you're feeling really let down, disappointed or bored by the show right now, you really haven't been paying attention to the show so far. I can get not liking the execution or whatever, but if some of you are as shocked and bored by the direction so far as you talk like, I have no idea how you stuck around this long. I personally believe the arc, tone, and slow burn of the past 4 episodes is the only appropriate follow-up from the season 2 finale. ...I realize this attitude kind of validates some of the bullshit the Game of Thrones fans are running into season 5, but GoT's never been so tonally consistent.
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