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Does anyone know how soon NBC puts episodes up on its site after first airing? Is it a day after? I live in Philly and there's a baseball game on Saturday, and I don't carry the alternate channel NBC said it will be airing the episode on.
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Fuller is going nuts making Loads of movie/tv references this season, starting this episode with the Get Smart "missed it by that much" quote. Prometheus seems to have been the biggest one. "Be careful what you wish for" was a big theme in the film, and Mason in this show kept daydreaming about eating Hannibal's penis. In the end he dies like the closeted Biologist in Prometheus, with a metaphorical cock in his mouth. (Ridley Scott directed both Hannibal 2001 and Prometheus, maybe this is Fuller's way of doing a tribute) Alana is now Faust. Like in Berlioz's La Damnation De Faust, she begs Mephistopheles (Hannibal) for help saving the life of Marguerite (Will). This becomes Faust's undoing, and likewise Hannibal says he always keeps his promises. Alana very conspicuously mentioned earlier in the season that Hannibal promised to kill her, so I guess we can look forward to him fulfilling that promise, either later this season or in Season 4. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Jul 17, 2015 |
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Jul 17, 2015 17:31
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Xanderkish posted:
On an emotional level, I'd like to think that seeing Will in danger wiped away his anger towards Will and rekindled his love for him.
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Jul 17, 2015 17:52
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Best episode since the season 2 finale. I was like  the entire loving time.I will miss this show. Hope they do a feature-length to wrap it all up. I have never seen Hannibal as sad as when Will told him he never wanted to see him again. That was brutal. Not baby in a pig, eel BJ, or face peeling brutal, but brutal.
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Jul 17, 2015 18:06
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Yestermoment posted:That episode was some serious poo poo. this is not getting enough horror because goddamn that was some hosed up poo poo.
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Jul 17, 2015 19:32
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Just started watching but is this dinner with Mason the first time we've seen Hannibal at a dinner table he didn't prepare? e1:AHHHHHHHHHH FACE BITE BITCH e2:The look between Hannibal and Will is great. Like when you tell a joke and look to your pal for confirmation of its most excellent hilarity e3: Hanna-banana is now free. Every few minutes I have to pause the episode, walk away, then take deep breath. EmmyOk fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jul 17, 2015 |
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Jul 17, 2015 19:50
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Better fix your tags ^^^
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Jul 17, 2015 20:45
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Steve Yun posted:Better fix your tags ^^^ Woops, hopefully fixed in time!
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Jul 17, 2015 20:46
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Once again Canadia proves itself better than America. Great to live in the worst 1st world country in the world!
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Jul 17, 2015 20:47
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Yestermoment posted:That episode was some serious poo poo. Worst turducken ever.
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Jul 17, 2015 20:48
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Just finished the episode I cannot believe Hannibal gave himself up to the authorities so that he could remain in contact with Weeeeeeeeeell. Absolutely amazing end to an episode. This is looking like it'll be the best season
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Jul 17, 2015 21:01
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I'm disappointed that Hannibal was "captured" by turning himself in. I guess it's neat in the sense that he's acting like a petty, jilted ex, but on the other hand it preserves the image of him as this untouchable mastermind who only went down because he wanted to. However, Will telling him that he'd lost all fascination with him and just wanted him to go away was perfect, and more or less makes up for it. Plus the season's not done yet and who knows what they'll do with the Red Dragon story, and especially the ending.
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Jul 17, 2015 21:13
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I'm disappointed that Hannibal was "captured" by turning himself in. I guess it's neat in the sense that he's acting like a petty, jilted ex, but on the other hand it preserves the image of him as this untouchable mastermind who only went down because he wanted to. Anyone other than Will capturing him would have felt hollow. It didn't seem like the act of a jilted ex so much as someone who hasn't give nup. I'd be surprised if Big Bill Graham didn't go visit him
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Jul 17, 2015 21:23
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Overall it was great. I have 2 quibbles: The whole murder baby thing doesn't make much sense. I understand that Mason was loving with Margot's head, but... was he growing that thing inside the pig for months? It was pretty drat far along. And how is that even possible? Did he grow the baby in a human and then surgically implant it in the pig? Sometimes the magical realism/horror goes so far it breaks suspension of disbelief. Also Mason's death scene was kinda lame. I was hoping it would be more violent. The Hannibal movie did it better.
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Jul 17, 2015 21:25
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I liked the idea that someone would think to plant their unborn nephew in a pig as a joke whilst plotting to eat someone whilst having had a face transplant of their best friend. Such a bizarre master plan. I also dug Hannibal just turning himself in, for the idea that Will would eventually visit him, then the idea that he could escape only for the opportunity to be killed by Will as one last act of aggression. He seems like the kind of nerd to go to prison just to spite somebody else.
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Jul 17, 2015 22:59
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Plus the season's not done yet and who knows what they'll do with the Red Dragon story, and especially the ending. Well, the trailer for the second half had Hannibal saying the "Save yourself. Kill them all" dialogue from Red Dragon, so they're almost certainly going to a dark place with the ending.
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Jul 17, 2015 23:19
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I'm disappointed that Hannibal was "captured" by turning himself in. I guess it's neat in the sense that he's acting like a petty, jilted ex, but on the other hand it preserves the image of him as this untouchable mastermind who only went down because he wanted to. Seriously. I've mentioned this before (way too many times, by my estimation) but it is really annoying to me how there's essentially no credible threat to him ever. It made sense in Season 1 where he was the wolf in sheep's clothing, but being two seasons after the protagonist realizes he's the bad dude, and one season after everyone else realizes it, just makes everyone seem really, really bad at their jobs. You could argue he's less a character himself and more of a force of nature (which I could kind of get behind because I think he's only interesting in terms of how other people respond to him), but still, just once I want someone to tell him to shut the gently caress up when he starts lecturing. Steve Yun posted:On a beep boop plot level, he made a promise to save Will. He never made a promise to kill Will. The only one he's "contractually" bound to kill now is Alana. Ah, that makes sense. Although I do think his weird love never went away. His buzz-sawing Will's scalp (how did he survive the transport to the Verger ranch with that blood loss and open wound anywMAGICAL REALISM MAGICAL REALISM) was also an expression of love, by my estimation. Not that that means much mind you, because, as we've well established, Hannibal is insane. Incidentally, since we're only a few weeks away from getting some serious Hannibal withdrawal, does anyone have recommendations for other good shows to check out?
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Jul 17, 2015 23:40
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Xanderkish posted:Incidentally, since we're only a few weeks away from getting some serious Hannibal withdrawal, does anyone have recommendations for other good shows to check out? Have you seen Carnivale?
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Jul 17, 2015 23:42
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Steve Yun posted:On a beep boop plot level, he made a promise to save Will. He never made a promise to kill Will. The only one he's "contractually" bound to kill now is Alana. The little look of approval Hannibal game him when he bit a lump out of Cordell was great. Also Mason is incredibly optimistic calling out Cordell's name repeatedly despite having just peeled Cordell's face off of himself.
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Jul 17, 2015 23:48
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Yestermoment posted:That episode was some serious poo poo. The pig mobile was a nice touch.
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Jul 17, 2015 23:54
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Xanderkish posted:You could argue he's less a character himself and more of a force of nature
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Jul 18, 2015 00:54
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Steve Yun posted:I think that's what the show is going for lately. Season 2 humanized Hannibal by revealing that he loved Will and was emotionally vulnerable, but Season 3 has been all about Hannibal the Mephistopheles. His existence is a test: everyone who compromises their morals to go after him ends up paying for it. (not tagging this because it applies to the whole half season) I am not sure I fully agree with your assertion. Up until this episode I'd mainly agree with you, but I think this one proved he simply cannot quit Will.
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Jul 18, 2015 00:56
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Sure, in the last five minutes. But the rest of the episode is everyone making deals with the devil in some way or another, unleashing Hannibal as if he were some sort of evil genie who grants monkey paw wishes. edit: Cordell, despite being a psychopathic monster, screams and winces in pain when his face is bitten. Hannibal, when branded with a hot iron, does nothing more than close his eyes and breathe deeply. The show really wants us to think of Hannibal as being not-human. That is, until the last 5 minutes, and even then the image of Hannibal feeling rejected fits into the "Hannibal is the personification of evil" theme: Will isn't just rejecting Hannibal, he's rejecting evil. And it's amusing to imagine that the personification of Evil feels sad and lonely when a human declares that they want nothing to do with evil anymore. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Jul 18, 2015 |
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Jul 18, 2015 02:15
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"The most stable elements in the periodic table for you appear roughly between iron and silver" I have no idea what this means. It's apparently a quote from SOTL, from Hannibal to Clarice, but I don't know the context. Uhhh does it mean there is no stability, since there's nothing exactly between Iron and Silver? Or is it alluding to the visual image of crosshairs? I am stumped.
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Jul 18, 2015 06:18
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Steve Yun posted:
Apparently it means that that they have one foot in the victim world (Iron like in blood I guess?) and one foot in the high society, prestigious job (silver spoon)
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Jul 18, 2015 07:07
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Ekusukariba posted:Apparently it means that that they have one foot in the victim world (Iron like in blood I guess?) and one foot in the high society, prestigious job (silver spoon) Thomas Harris is really bad at telling jokes.
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Jul 18, 2015 07:47
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Yeah I immediately thought of the Noble Gases and called bullshit.
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Jul 18, 2015 08:57
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 Nice to see a Blake painting in the background, the ancient of days.
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Jul 18, 2015 09:52
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I was skeptical about a different guy playing Verger, but man he really nails it. He only mostly tries to emulate Pitt's performance, clearly based heavily on it, but with his own take. The amount he does with small ranges of movement, small movements themselves, a very limited facial range and vocalization is stellar. Plus I really appreciate good eyebrow work. I'm honestly not sure if Pitt could have pulled it off so well.
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Jul 18, 2015 11:49
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Justin Credible posted:I was skeptical about a different guy playing Verger, but man he really nails it. He only mostly tries to emulate Pitt's performance, clearly based heavily on it, but with his own take. The amount he does with small ranges of movement, small movements themselves, a very limited facial range and vocalization is stellar. Plus I really appreciate good eyebrow work. I'm honestly not sure if Pitt could have pulled it off so well. He's also taking heavily from Gary Oldman in the movie Hannibal. I thought he did very well.
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Jul 18, 2015 15:35
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I think he did well too, but I think I liked Pitt's interpretation of the character a little better. He was a lot more manic and animated, and yeah I know that Mason is wheelchair-bound after the Hannibal incident but even his voice is deeper and more affected. Which again, he's trying to channel Gary Oldman's performance but I would've rather he tried to match Pitt's performance a little more for continuity's sake. There's no reason that Mason Verger would suddenly start talking deeper just from having his face peeled off. But then I've never known anyone who had their face peeled off so what do I know? 
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Jul 18, 2015 16:24
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Jesus Christ the baby in a pig was some grotesque Cronenberg body horror poo poo. Just like the surgeons in red scene, the lighting and colors really pays tribute to him. Also, I don't think I can handle anymore face slicing. Nothing makes me squirms more than seeing flesh get slowly sliced off and boy there sure is a lot of that this season.
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Jul 18, 2015 16:56
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Noirex posted:Jesus Christ the baby in a pig was some grotesque Cronenberg body horror poo poo. Just like the surgeons in red scene, the lighting and colors really pays tribute to him. Hannibal, as a sort of divine being, demonstrates his almighty power over life and death by "resurrecting" Miriam Lass, Bella Crawford and Abigail Hobbs. When Mason tries his hand at it, we get a dead baby stuffed inside a pig. It's a brilliant juxtaposition. ***** When Alana meets with Hannibal to bargain for Will's life, there's a red glow on her face, as if she's at the gates of Hell. Moments like this stick out because the show typically has a green cast on it at all times. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Jul 18, 2015 |
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Jul 18, 2015 17:08
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Loved Hannibal just casually snapping into therapist mode with Margot, all helpful and friendly, offering to take credit for Mason's death whilst branded and chained like a pig. Alana is such an amazing woman: asking Hannibal for truth about their relationship, saving her two loves Margot and Will knowing that this could end badly right now or down the road. I do wish they'd had Mason eaten by the pigs though, probably easier to film the eel scene but after all that talk of eating, it would have been nice to see him eaten by his prize hogs. He remained delightfully tasteless throughout the episode. The comparison with Hannibal and Will being like the penis eating cannibals was basically him going "Gahaaaaayyy!". Nice juxtaposition of the sausage dish too! The Verger baby was fantastically filmed and heartbreaking. Seeing Margot cradle her stillborn, the facial expressions on both her and Alana as they realize that it's no longer a coldblooded murder they're planning but survival and justice. For Alana it had been a process, she's a LEO dedicated to saving life but finding out Mason is going to torture and kill Will for funsies, tried to kill Jack just because... and now he's killing babies to play with Margot. There's no moral grey area here now. Dr Cordell was so graceful, so respectful of Hannibal, like a magnificent beast. "I assure you, every part of you will be cooked to perfection". I was half hoping he'd switch sides for the true apex predator. That actor moves so beautifully, it's like he glides, every movement perfectly calculated. I do think that Hannibal was hurt that Will wants nothing to do with him but I'm not buying that it's love: romantic or friendship. He wanted Will to be his creation, one of his greatest and Will rejecting evil and pain, longing for his stray dogs "I miss them - I won't miss you" and a simple life of FIXING things not magnificent destruction was a massive blow to his ego. Hannibals self professed "love" for Will has always been about creating a mirror image of himself, a partner who understood totally and followed totally not someone who would compliment his talents in different ways. That's textbook narcissism. I can't quite pinpoint at which point Will finally snapped out of his delusions and decided to break out of this abusive relationship, understanding that life alone, misunderstood and used as a psychological tool would still be so much better than anything with Hannibal. I'll have to do a rewatch but I think it may of been in the first three episodes, because by the time he gets to Italy he's there to kill Hannibal. It may even have been in the catacombs, the "I forgive you" moment after mind palace chatting with Abigail. He may of been making peace with his life, losses, bad decisions and loneliness right there. The teacup broke long before this episode. Not buying that Hannibal gave himself up for wubwub of Will either. He's on FBI territory and without resources: Chiyoh can't compete with a small army of Feds. Jack will do everything to get his FBI most wanted fugitive, he's back in the hunting game and Hannibal saw that resolve in his eyes back in Florence. He doesn't want to give anyone the honor of capturing him, he wants to maintain that mythical status of serial killer legend... and manipulate his lawyers, jailors and dozens of forensic shrinks who'll want to dissect his brain. Everything is fun and games to Hannibal. It's good knowing that Jack knows to lock him in the one place where he'll be mostly denied the pleasure of playing puppets with people. For all the subtext and longing glances thrown in for the fans, Hannibal is at the core utterly and totally self centered and his love is insane. If Verger's paid cops hadn't arrived in time he'd have eaten Will. That's how he loves, he absorbs and uses, savouring that Will and Misha would be inside him, with him, forever somehow. Will lost his mind, was utterly and completly manipulated into thinking this was the only true friendship he would ever get. Alana was right all along, a relationship with Will would be borderline unethical because he is fragile, yes he's powerful in many ways but incredibly fragile in others: being unique makes him very good at what he does at great cost and being unique means being always alien. // He's like the savants with mild psych disorders who need a personal assistant to keep their office perfectly organized according to their specs to avoid meltdowns, who need someone else to do phone calls and make sure no triggers are at a meeting place (neon lights or loud noises for example), who have their lectures spaced out once every three months because it's a massive ordeal, who are given generous extra time to complete their thesis/book because they just can't be held to 'normal' people delays. Gary Numan, the electronic artist, has his wife who knows all about Aspergers, keeping him safe and balanced. Before her, he was living in an unfurnished mansion sleeping on an inflatable bed eating fries and not much else everyday. He's on an independent label and the fans know that sometimes he'll be on a roll and othertimes he'll scrap all his material and be unable to record for three years. Sometimes, he'll release an album then release a remix album a year later because he enhanced all the songs to what he really wanted them to sound like and performing them live helped him rework them. He's brilliant but he needs special care to be in the right mindset to create and had to learn social skills and self care from scratch.// Now, let us pray: Dear gods of TV and your holy messenger Bryan Fuller, please grant us at least a few minutes of Chilton gloating like a mofo in the weeks to come. Watching the *Jack is Back Attack* was fantastic and cathartic. We thank you for that gift. I just want to see that glorious smug bastard strutting around his asylum with his prize monster in a bare cage. After being disembowled (albeit kinda his fault), losing an eye and his jaw, it would be very pleasant to see him enjoying himself a little... and playing up his role in the capture of course! n3wt fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Jul 18, 2015 |
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Jul 18, 2015 21:16
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Steve Yun posted:Hannibal, as a sort of divine being, demonstrates his almighty power over life and death by "resurrecting" Miriam Lass, Bella Crawford and Abigail Hobbs. When Mason tries his hand at it, we get a dead baby stuffed inside a pig. It's a brilliant juxtaposition. It's the continuing the theme of Mason and Hannibal. Just like how Lucifer wishes to become God but can only become a pale imitation and mockery of God, Mason wants to become like Hannibal, however, he can at best only become a dime store knock off. It's why the scene of Hannibal getting dressedi is intercut with Mason being dressed. This is why the Gideon scenes are at the beginning of the season. Hannibal kills Gideon slowly, and has conversations with him; but Mason cannot do that with Hannibal, even though he wishes he could. Gideon warns Hannibal that one day he may be on the other side of the table. Hannibal won't even plat Mason's games, he does not react when Mason "checks the fat" on Hannibal, nor when he is braded. Without a reaction, Mason is impotent.
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Jul 18, 2015 22:17
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PassTheRemote posted:
To be fair a dinner with Gideon involves highbrow cannibal puns, clever teasing, analysis and conversation as tasteful as can be in such a situation. Dinner with Mason would mean having to listen to him go on about his daddy, his brilliance in hog breeding, his messianic delusions and crass sex jokes.Hannibal seems to be having great fun from the moment he's wheeled in, guess it's just another thrilling adventure to him Having to be his therapist is The Worst: we saw it in season 2 with Hannibal barely keeping his cool in his office and then this season Alana quietly enjoying him choking on his own spit during a session and total hate-face anytime she had to listen to his little speeches. n3wt fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Jul 18, 2015 |
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Jul 18, 2015 22:46
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I was going to quit about 40 minutes in because the Handsome and Talented Doctor Etc. but then Will was all "It's not me it's you  " and now I'm back on board. That's pretty much as close to getting completely and utterly clowned as Hannibal's going to get.
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Jul 18, 2015 23:13
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Most concerning about the episode is the fact that Will's dogs are gone. Where is Winston!?
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Jul 18, 2015 23:16
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EmmyOk posted:Most concerning about the episode is the fact that Will's dogs are gone. Where is Winston!? somewhere Alana burps delicately and excuses herself
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Chokes McGee posted:somewhere Alana burps delicately and excuses herself And then passes the leftovers to the dogs she is now keeping on the Verger estate where they can stretch their paws before going back home to Will 
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