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Steve Yun posted:Hannibal, as a sort of divine being, demonstrates his almighty power over life and death by "resurrecting" Miriam Lass, Bella Crawford and Abigail Hobbs. What did it mean when Jack Crawford beat the everloving piss out of Hannibal, forcing him to shimmy down a perhaps overly convenient corpse-rope and slink off into the night lest his last meal be an all-too-pedestrian knuckle sandwich?
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Ansiktsburk posted:And it only took an attempted brain-eating. I'm choosing to believe it was Hannibal getting away from another chance of somebody killing him that broke him. Like, it's almost comical at this point. Every time someone tries to kill or catch him, either they gently caress it up or somebody helps him. I also appreciated him finally being caught...by snitching on himself. This has to be the most depressing show if you love the good guys winning even just once in a while. 2.5 seasons in, and the only victory actually obtained only happened because the bad guy turned himself in after his friend dumped him. Chris James 2 fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Jul 19, 2015 04:32
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Ten minutes into the episode: Mason: "The surrogate mother is on the farm." Me: "He definitely had a human womb transplanted into a pig." I don't know if that means the show is a bit predictable in its horror or if I'm just getting too deep into the mind of a psychopath.
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Chris James 2 posted:I'm choosing to believe it was Hannibal getting away from another chance of somebody killing him that broke him. Like, it's almost comical at this point. Every time someone tries to kill or catch him, either they gently caress it up or somebody helps him. Will continues to be Hannibal's Achilles heel, though. He's the one person on the planet that understands him thoroughly, and he has since realized he wants nothing to do with him. That one hurts. We talk about how Hannibal gets away with everything, but just this once, he got wrecked. This will last until the end of the season when he gets revenge on Will and escapes 
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Random Stranger posted:I don't know if that means the show is a bit predictable in its horror or if I'm just getting too deep into the mind of a psychopath. When you find yourself saying "this is my design" it may be time to take a break.
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Jul 19, 2015 04:54
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In the books doesn't Hannibal hate Will for being the one who caught him? It's been a while so I am a bit foggy.
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Waltzing Along posted:In the books doesn't Hannibal hate Will for being the one who caught him? Yeah the show definitely changes things up with their relationship. Just roll with it. That reminds me. In the very first episode, the very first murder scene, if I recall correctly, is the first Dollarhyde murder. I'm pretty sure Fuller said. I wonder if they'll mention this at all in the last few episodes. Either way, it's good they can bring the show full circle in the end.
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Jul 19, 2015 05:10
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Waltzing Along posted:In the books doesn't Hannibal hate Will for being the one who caught him? Yes, he absolutely despises Will and wants him dead. The relationship in the show never happened in the books, and the only movie that introduced a bit of back story outside of the capture was Red Dragon.
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Jul 19, 2015 05:12
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Seeing the books and the show side by side at times is jarring. In the books, it's Will working with Hannibal, discovers Hannibal's the killer, gets stabbed, still arrests him, all in one book (hell, I think it's just in one chapter). In the show, the first 2 covers the whole first season, the third thing doesn't happen until a full season later, and the fourth thing never happens, let alone the fact that they have a friendship/relationship going on simultaneously.
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Jul 19, 2015 05:34
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Wiggy Marie posted:Yes, he absolutely despises Will and wants him dead. The relationship in the show never happened in the books, and the only movie that introduced a bit of back story outside of the capture was Red Dragon. Book Hannibal doesn't just hate Will because he caught him, he hates that some loser caught him. Cheap suit, cheap aftershave, and his hobbies include boat maintenance and fishing. What a loving pleb. Hannibal thought Sherlock Holmes would catch him and instead he got stuck with Adrian Monk, it's insulting to his intellect.
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Chokes McGee posted:Will continues to be Hannibal's Achilles heel, though. He's the one person on the planet that understands him thoroughly, and he has since realized he wants nothing to do with him. That one hurts. We talk about how Hannibal gets away with everything, but just this once, he got wrecked. That, and I think Hannibal's sense of superiority won't let him believe that Will can stay mad at him. So he's just gonna sit in a cell until Will comes to see him and take back all those mean things he just said to Hannibal.
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What a great crazy episode. Now that we're done with this arc, I'm looking forward to more coherent plotting and never seeing Chiyoh again (boy, she sure went from "I must never take a life" to killing a whole bunch of people out of some vague "protectiveness" throwaway line) edit: hard counter posted:What did it mean when Jack Crawford beat the everloving piss out of Hannibal, forcing him to shimmy down a perhaps overly convenient corpse-rope and slink off into the night lest his last meal be an all-too-pedestrian knuckle sandwich? I thought his comeuppance and subsequent no-real-consequence-or-impact-on-anything escape was very contrived (and I still do), but at least with the end of this story line, I get why they had to do it, because they wouldn't have had a chance to do it otherwise. Plus it was thematically useful to wound him just as Will was wounded, even though Will's wounding (by being thrown off a train like a cartoon character) could have also maybe been executed a little better too. emoticon fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Jul 19, 2015 06:18
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emoticon posted:Now that we're done with this arc, I'm looking forward to more coherent plotting and never seeing Chiyoh again (boy, she sure went from "I must never take a life" to killing a whole bunch of people out of some vague "protectiveness" throwaway line) Turning Chiyoh into Hot Japanese Sniper Action Heroine was almost as bad and jarring as the piano wire fight in the first season. The FBI and polizzia failed at everything but fortunately here is Chiyoh to be in the right place at all times to save the day with her awesome Sniper rifle have you seen her Sniper rifle in this shot it's so awesome!! Ugh.
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hard counter posted:What did it mean when Jack Crawford beat the everloving piss out of Hannibal, forcing him to shimmy down a perhaps overly convenient corpse-rope and slink off into the night lest his last meal be an all-too-pedestrian knuckle sandwich? It means that you can never kill God, and even when you think you've gotten the upper hand on God, he'll pull a hat trick
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Jul 19, 2015 07:18
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drat you're right. It's a little sad that the most cathartic event of the series was a total non-win that was still quickly avenged later anyway. Hannibal's clean capture by the FBI ought to have been the cleansing of a lifetime but even that was entirely tainted in the show's depiction. Can't beat Hannibal with raw violence, that has no effect on him whatsoever... mentally, anyway. Can't beat him with psychopathic ultra-violence either because then you become him, ultimately. Can't outfox him either when Hannibal has the final word on who was really chasing who at the end of the day, nor can you even simply reject him on an inner, personal level because he'll weasel a way into becoming the damocles sword, always a worry over your head. Book comments Of course the series could end with Hannibal in a cage (but with Will's modest insolence repaid in full if they go full Red Dragon) but then that means that the series was cancelled fully without a chance to explore SoTL. That's a hollow win considering I like this show. If they do get to explore SoTL it'll likely end in another daring escape by Hannibal. Looks like Hannibal's version of the GoT tagline is in the game of cat-and-mouse, either he wins or you suffer.
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Jul 19, 2015 07:48
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Hannibal asks Jack "How will you feel if I'm gone" to which Jack replies "alive." Imagine that Hannibal is God, and Jack is a man who is angry at God for putting him in a position where he had to euthanize his cancer-stricken wife. He is taking out his anger on God, but he will never be able to kill God.
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Chris James 2 posted:Seeing the books and the show side by side at times is jarring. In the books, it's Will working with Hannibal, discovers Hannibal's the killer, gets stabbed, still arrests him, all in one book (hell, I think it's just in one chapter). Not even a full chapter, Will recounts Hannibal's capture in a one-page story because someone asks him how he caught Hannibal after seeing Will act like a total douche to some old dude to get information. I love that book. Upon second viewing of the episode, I think Hannibal's final surrender is his last weapon against Will's "I don't want to know you anymore." Will specifically says he doesn't want to know where Hannibal is, what he's doing, or think about him at all. If Hannibal disappears Will could put him out of his mind completely, rationalizing that maybe Hannibal finally died somewhere. Now he will always know where Hannibal is. It will make forgetting him much harder to do. Wiggy Marie fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Hannibal is basically a creepy ex who gets a job near where you live so you eventually bump into them and go for a drink and try again and it doesn't work and when it's all over you wonder how dumb you had to be to try again anyway, basically. If the season/series finishes like the book I hope we get the bit where Will goes to Shiloh. As even in the book that part stood out as quite strange. justcola fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Jul 19, 2015 10:41
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I've not read the books or seen the previews but I'm guessing Will chases the guy Richard Armitage plays ans has to consult with Hannibal about it. Just like the good ol' days.
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http://www.tvguide.com/news/hannibal-postmortem-digestivo-bryan-fuller-season-3/ Interview about what's to come, perspective on pickup at this point, with the normal level of Fuller Spoilers.
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Steve Yun posted:Hannibal asks Jack "How will you feel if I'm gone" to which Jack replies "alive." Guys I have to say, the more we play with the "Hannibal as God/Lucifer" metaphor, the more I want to find that buzzsaw from the last episode and slice open my own cranium. It may actually be what Fuller intended, but my god I do not want to be analyzing every single piece of food Hannibal eats to see how it's a metaphor for God's divine meal of life or whatever.
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I am totally okay with analyzing every piece of food, but Hannibal as a divine being is getting tedious. The only meaningful difference between him and Mason is experience.
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There are some allusions that are cool to talk about but every thing Hannibal does isn't a divine metaphor imho
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Will broke up with Hannibal so hard that it made him give himself up, that's basically me with this show. It's pretty bad right now too because MANHUNTER, RED DRAGON and HANNIBAL movies are running like non-stop on cable at any given moment.
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So I was a bit overwhelmed but did or did not Chiyoh shoot Hannibal while he was carrying Will away? Was that dream sequence, or?
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There is surprisingly little info online regarding human/animal interspecific pregnancy. (It's almost as if mad scientists have not been planting viable human embryos into random animals to see what happens, the lazy bastards.) But I did find out that apparently, pigs don't share a blood supply with their fetuses, making it theoretically MORE possible than if it was a baby pig in a human woman. I honestly, no-jokes think that they sat down on day one in the writer's room this season, and Bryan just said something like "we've gotten away with it for too long. There is no way we make it past this season on NBC, or possibly anywhere. So you know what? LET'S GO loving BONKERS INSANE. No ideas are bad ideas! Shirtless Mads in every episode! Multiple oral sex/cannibalism jokes! loving snails absolutely everywhere! Entire episodes of flashbacks! Bondage! Human babies gestating inside pigs! A flayed corpse sprouting hooves and antlers! Oh, and you thought it was homoerotic BEFORE?"
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Sub Rosa posted:So I was a bit overwhelmed but did or did not Chiyoh shoot Hannibal while he was carrying Will away? Was that dream sequence, or? I thought she shot guys who where chasing Hannibal but maybe I'm not remembering it correctly.
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showbiz_liz posted:There is surprisingly little info online regarding human/animal interspecific pregnancy. (It's almost as if mad scientists have not been planting viable human embryos into random animals to see what happens, the lazy bastards.) But I did find out that apparently, pigs don't share a blood supply with their fetuses, making it theoretically MORE possible than if it was a baby pig in a human woman. "Wait a minute! You're not Brian Fuller, you're just wearing his skinned face!" "lol you caught me *takes it off*" "...Taro Yoko?!  "
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I had a strong Rammstein vibe this entire episode. First, I don't know if you are all aware of this but nobody mentioned it, the story about a German cannibal eating his buddies penis is based on a true story - Meet Armin Meiwes. Rammstein wrote a song about them, called "Mein Teil", a four-minute hommage to penis eating. Also, Rammstein singer Till Lindemann recently released an album with his side project "Lindemann". Their first video, Praise Abort, is all about abortion and babies and pigs. It's also so terribly campy and edgy that it would probably be Mason Vergers favourite song.
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showbiz_liz posted:I honestly, no-jokes think that they sat down on day one in the writer's room this season, and Bryan just said something like "we've gotten away with it for too long. There is no way we make it past this season on NBC, or possibly anywhere. So you know what? LET'S GO loving BONKERS INSANE. No ideas are bad ideas! Shirtless Mads in every episode! Multiple oral sex/cannibalism jokes! loving snails absolutely everywhere! Entire episodes of flashbacks! Bondage! Human babies gestating inside pigs! A flayed corpse sprouting hooves and antlers! Oh, and you thought it was homoerotic BEFORE?"
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EmmyOk posted:There are some allusions that are cool to talk about but every thing Hannibal does isn't a divine metaphor imho Not all of Hannibal, just everything in the first half of season 3. Season 2 was all gay metaphors. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vyN8VN4BSzM But don't worry, since the Red Dragon arc was originally envisioned as its own season, I imagine it will bring different themes and an emphasis on different metaphors Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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sicDaniel posted:I don't know if you are all aware of this but nobody mentioned it, the story about a German cannibal eating his buddies penis is based on a true story - Meet Armin Meiwes. quote:Brandes apparently tried to eat some of his own penis raw, but could not because it was too tough and, as he put it, "chewy". Meiwes then fried the penis in a pan with salt, pepper, wine and garlic; he then fried it with some of Brandes's fat but by then it was too burned to be consumed. He then chopped it up into chunks and fed it to his dog. Winston has no idea how lucky he was that he didn't go to Europe with Will
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justcola posted:Hannibal is basically a creepy ex who gets a job near where you live so you eventually bump into them and go for a drink and try again and it doesn't work and when it's all over you wonder how dumb you had to be to try again anyway, basically. Hannibal's keepin' the baby!!
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hey guys https://twitter.com/angelinaburnett/status/622785723574321154 welp see ya later!
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Brock Samson posted:hey guys I have no words.
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Steve Yun posted:Winston has no idea how lucky he was that he didn't go to Europe with Will Hahaha. The dogs eating mason made me sad. As for that Twitter I assumed it was Will and Margots and I'm not sure if that makes me dumb or normal. Also I liked that Hannibal waited until Will said he was long one to reappear. Anything to make Senpai notice him again.
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I know it's been done lots of times in movies before, but seeing Margot walk into mason's room with her cryface mascara all running down the sides of her face was still a great "oh poo poo" moment.
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Jul 19, 2015 20:53
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I thought the 'mostly yours' part made it obvious it wasn't Mason's?
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Brock Samson posted:hey guys Wait for real...? I guess I didn't even think about that possibility.
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