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Steve Yun posted:You guys don't need to put spoiler tags on speculation. Eh, maybe someone hasn't seen either film adaptation of Red Dragon or read the book by now (albeit doubtful). 
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Jove posted:Eh, maybe someone hasn't seen either film adaptation of Red Dragon or read the book by now (albeit doubtful). That would be me. I haven't read any of the books nor seen the movies except Silence of the Lambs. Everything is a beautiful crazy surprise.
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EmmyOk posted:Dragons are great because they can cook themselves Is this a spoiler for the one person who hasn't read a 30+ year old book?
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Gravitee posted:That would be me. I haven't read any of the books nor seen the movies except Silence of the Lambs. Everything is a beautiful crazy surprise. When the show wraps up go watch Manhunter. It's easily my favorite "Hannibal" movie.
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Jose Oquendo posted:When the show wraps up go watch Manhunter. It's easily my favorite "Hannibal" movie. Agreed. Manhunter is amazing. Will Petersen is the real Will Graham. Tom Noonan is scary as hell as Dollarhyde and Brian Cox is a great Hannibal Lecter. Mann's directing (frames within frames!) is top notch here too. He was directing Miami Vice at the time and was in top form.  Manhunter spawned all of the procedurals that take up 50% of prime time now. Also anybody who hasn't seen Manhunter isn't seeing the appropriate mental images when they hear "Inna Gadda Da Vida". 
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InfiniteZero posted:Agreed. Manhunter is amazing. Will Petersen is the real Will Graham. Tom Noonan is scary as hell as Dollarhyde and Brian Cox is a great Hannibal Lecter. Mann's directing (frames within frames!) is top notch here too. He was directing Miami Vice at the time and was in top form. I so much prefer Manhunter over the 2002 Red Dragon.
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PassTheRemote posted:I so much prefer Manhunter over the 2002 Red Dragon. From what I understand Manhunter deviates a lot from the book. It goes for mood, atmosphere, feelings, emotions (sound familiar?). Red Dragon is Brett Ratner doing his best Jonathan Demme impression and it's so thoroughly average. A total waste of a great cast.
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Noted, I'll check it out. You don't have to spoiler on my account though. My point was that there are some of us that haven't read/seen the series.
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Jose Oquendo posted:It goes for mood, atmosphere, feelings, emotions (sound familiar?). And it nails all of these without a faux Penderecki string quartet blaring over a reversed slow motion shot of blood dripping to the sound of water drops in a giant echo chamber.
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I just checked my guide and it's still on at 10pm on CityTV.
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Jack Ketch posted:I just checked my guide and it's still on at 10pm on CityTV. So it will be on in the US in about 90 mins. Good job Canadia!
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I like hardly understand what's happening half the time It's just gay foreplay. If you don't understand what is happening, you are probably straight. I only know this because a gay friend told me so. I'm confused half the time, too. It's possible he was lying, though.
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Waltzing Along posted:It's just gay foreplay. If you don't understand what is happening, you are probably straight. I only know this because a gay friend told me so. I'm confused half the time, too. Nah man, we gays have very elaborate courtship rituals that often involve cinematic gore and cannibalism.
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Jose Oquendo posted:From what I understand Manhunter deviates a lot from the book. It goes for mood, atmosphere, feelings, emotions (sound familiar?). Red Dragon is Brett Ratner doing his best Jonathan Demme impression and it's so thoroughly average. A total waste of a great cast. I know it deviated, but I still love it. Especially the ending.
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showbiz_liz posted:Earlier this season I commented to a (straight, male) friend that I couldn't believe how gay this show had gotten, and he looked at me all confused like "huh, gay? Really? You think so?" After the last two minutes of the last episode, it'd be hard not to.
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Elderbean posted:Nah man, we gays have very elaborate courtship rituals that often involve cinematic gore and cannibalism. I thought it was just cuz you ate a lot of cock. But now I know better.
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Waltzing Along posted:I thought it was just cuz you ate a lot of cock. But now I know better. All that trouble to cook your friend and you overcook his penis.
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PassTheRemote posted:I know it deviated, but I still love it. Especially the ending. Yes I think the ending in Manhunter is better. I thought the 'HE'S REALLY NOT DEAD" ending from Red Dragon just kinda felt cliched and fell flat for me. I also loved the crazy jump cut editing when Dollarhyde and Will use their guns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EykztUgfp2U
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I also loved that but I've never understood the purpose for it.
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How did Hannibal manage to get such a sweet prison cell, at least compared to the movies. Maybe it should have been super lovely to really contrast the scenes where he is in his mind palace or whatever. They even let him cook delicious food!
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Hello, Doctor Lecter. (gently caress you) Hello, Will. gently caress YOU TOO.Steve Yun posted:Probably the same architectural firm that designed Alana's hospital room Gynelogical Torture Devices, Ltd.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:How did Hannibal manage to get such a sweet prison cell, at least compared to the movies. Maybe it should have been super lovely to really contrast the scenes where he is in his mind palace or whatever. They even let him cook delicious food! I believe much of his cell was illusory - in the first scene with him in it, you can see the walls shimmer and change as he switches out the lodgings to a different style. No idea what the gently caress was going on with the food, though - they showed other people interacting with that, and usually they don't cheat that hard unless it's either obvious or they have a really good reason. Maybe they just order in nice food for him sometimes for some insane reason.  Also: gently caress HANNIBAL for that letter he wrote to Will, that was super hosed up. "As your dear friend I only want what's best for you so please don't put yourself in harm's way again trying to stop this madman, PS here's a picture that I meticulously clipped out of the newspaper of the type of sweet family that will continuously get hideously butchered if you don't act that I am including for no real reason"
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XboxPants posted:Also: gently caress HANNIBAL for that letter he wrote to Will, that was super hosed up. "As your dear friend I only want what's best for you so please don't put yourself in harm's way again trying to stop this madman, PS here's a picture that I meticulously clipped out of the newspaper of the type of sweet family that will continuously get hideously butchered if you don't act that I am including for no real reason" AFoolAndHisMoney posted:This version of Molly seems like a bit of a crappy person to push Will back into an environment that is extremely unhealthy for him. I think the idea is that Jack pulled on Molly's heart strings, who then convinced Will to go. It could have been portrayed more clearly. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Jul 24, 2015 |
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Shadoer posted:This show is totally going to end with Will and Hannibal
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Steve Yun posted:I think the idea is that Jack pulled on Molly's heart strings, who then convinced Will to go. It could have been portrayed more clearly. Yeah it's pretty much stated in the book that that's the case, if I recall. Jose Oquendo posted:Yes I think the ending in Manhunter is better. I thought the 'HE'S REALLY NOT DEAD" ending from Red Dragon just kinda felt cliched and fell flat for me. I also loved the crazy jump cut editing when Dollarhyde and Will use their guns. Well the whole point of that scene was that (spoilered for the people who haven't read or watched any adaptation of Red Dragon) Dollarhyde was deliberately trying to convince Reba that he died since that was the only way to save her. He lets her get the shotgun with blanks, lets her shoot him and then pretends to be dead so that she'll leave him there. The secondary part of his plan was of course to go after Will while under the cover of being presumed dead. And it's all telegraphed pretty heavily in the book, I don't think the reader is meant to assume he's really dead at that point.
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King Vidiot posted:Yeah it's pretty much stated in the book that that's the case, if I recall. My thing about the ending of Manhunter is that I understand why Mann changed it. In the middle of the 80's and the slasher movie boom, the killer is still alive is beyond cliche at that point. The novel, being written in 1981, could probably get away with that more than a movie in 1986 could.
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showbiz_liz posted:So Chilton's chat with Hannibal was basically a meta-commentary on the show itself, right? "The popularity of Hannibal Lecter has waned." "You with your fancy allusions, your fussy aesthetics - you will always have niche appeal." This is cemented by Chilton using the term "four quadrant," which is a term used in movie marketing
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XboxPants posted:I believe much of his cell was illusory - in the first scene with him in it, you can see the walls shimmer and change as he switches out the lodgings to a different style. No idea what the gently caress was going on with the food, though - they showed other people interacting with that, and usually they don't cheat that hard unless it's either obvious or they have a really good reason. Maybe they just order in nice food for him sometimes for some insane reason. I got the impression Chilton had him cook for both of them, since you might as well if you've got a master chef on lockdown and you know he's not putting people in there anymore
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showbiz_liz posted:So Chilton's chat with Hannibal was basically a meta-commentary on the show itself, right? "The popularity of Hannibal Lecter has waned." "You with your fancy allusions, your fussy aesthetics - you will always have niche appeal." It's also a callback to Will's statement trying to get into Hannibal's good graces ("that was before I found you interesting") which makes it a pretty sick burn.
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How am I the first person to mention Richard Armitage? God drat, Richard Armitage! Anyway yeah great start to this arc, and seems back to the s2 style, which I'm sure will make some happy. Also that one shot of Dolarhyde with the film round his face and the light coming out of his eyes and mouth like the glass later on is one of my new favourite Hannibal shots ever.
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