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I loving hate this poo poo where now I have to hold myself back from looking at spoilers because I can't watch the episode until Saturday morning when it goes up on Hulu.
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Basebf555 posted:I loving hate this poo poo where now I have to hold myself back from looking at spoilers because I can't watch the episode until Saturday morning when it goes up on Hulu. Is there an opinion that you want, Basebf555?
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Jul 24, 2015 17:52
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It's cool that they're back to solving a crime and Will has his dogs and the supporting cast exist again But for reals it makes a really good contrast with the first half of the season and really makes it seem like a lurid nightmare. I think the Catching Hannibal arc will stand up much better on rewatch for knowing things relax in tone and it was a deliberate tonal choice for that single arc Also I do think Alana's days are numbered, Hannibal seems pretty goddamn resolute that he is going to kill her
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Jul 24, 2015 18:25
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[spoiler]Also what the christ, they bought Abigail back again?![/spoilre]
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Jul 24, 2015 18:31
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So, Manhunter vs Hannibal: I love how differently they played the crime reconstruction. In Manhunter, Will's talking to a recorder and he says all of this: "You moved the kids after you killed them, didn't you? Did you arrange them for your performance with Mrs. Leeds on their bed? Did you tie Mr. Leeds sitting up in bed? That's the postmortem ligature on his chest. Did you make them your audience? Did you open their eyes? There is something you can't afford for me to know about. Isn't there? Mrs. Leeds was lovely, wasn't she? It was maddening to have to wear gloves when you touched her, wasn't it? There was talcum powder on her leg. There was no talcum powder in the bathroom. The powder they found came out of a rubber glove as you pulled it off to touch her. You took off your glove to touch her. DIDN'T YOU, YOU SON-OF-A-BITCH?! You touched her with your bare hands! And then you put the gloves back on. And you wiped her down! While your gloves were off? DID YOU OPEN THEIR EYES? THEIR DEAD EYES?!" And in this episode, very simply: "I moved the family after they were dead and later put them back where they were when I killed them. Talcum powder on the body. There's none in the house. I have to touch her."
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Jul 24, 2015 18:38
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Amazing.
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Jul 24, 2015 19:05
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It kind of looks like there's some sort of Tarantino Blood thing happening on his back. *Fzzzzzzzzzzzzt*
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Jul 24, 2015 19:12
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Just starting to watch the episode now glad to see Chilton managed to get himself quoted, g'wan fred! e1: I was just thinking it was a bit coincidental Armitage's killer would appear just as Hannibal went to jail when BAM time-skip. I love this show e2: Loving the 'Hannibal-O-Vision of his cell e3: DOGS! EmmyOk fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Jul 24, 2015 |
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Jul 24, 2015 19:32
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They are ridiculously keen to present Molly as a beard.
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Jul 24, 2015 19:33
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Jose Oquendo posted:Amazing. Yeah. I know it's Artsy and Contrived but drat is that a beautiful shot. (I wish it hadn't been in the preview I watched so that it would have been a surprise.) I also loved the two transitions where the moon turned into a blood drop on snow and a flashlight beam.
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Jul 24, 2015 19:38
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Vitamin P posted:They are ridiculously keen to present Molly as a beard. I am assuming this means a gay murder husband defense shield. She is not worthy of Will's gay murder love so far e1: She is so blunt in convincing him to go solve crimes. She needs to read Hannibal's book "How to Train Your Gay Murder Husband:The Dark Arts of Psychology and Flashing Lights EmmyOk fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Jul 24, 2015 |
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Jul 24, 2015 19:56
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Vitamin P posted:They are ridiculously keen to present Molly as a beard. I am not well studied in gaydiology or homometry, so what are the telltale signs of a beard other than the fact that she's a woman who is with a "gay" man (<-- is that supposed to be in quotes? I don't even know if this is subtext anymore)
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Jul 24, 2015 19:58
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EmmyOk posted:I am assuming this means a gay murder husband defense shield. She is not worthy of Will's gay murder love so far quote is not edit EmmyOk fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Jul 24, 2015 |
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Jul 24, 2015 20:09
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Steve Yun posted:I am not well studied in gaydiology or homometry, so what are the telltale signs of a beard other than the fact that she's a woman who is with a "gay" man (<-- is that supposed to be in quotes? I don't even know if this is subtext anymore) Classic beard presentation is that they aren't an attractive or sexual person (because the man actually fancies men) and that the relationship is 'convenient' (because society is homophobic/there are personal barriers). Nastier elements of the stereotype are that the beard isn't a full-fledged person and just slips into the mans life, and that they are a bit simple.
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Jul 24, 2015 20:45
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Vitamin P posted:They are ridiculously keen to present Molly as a beard. I don't think we've seen enough of her yet to judge, but if anything, she would be a 'beard' in the sense that she lets Will ignore his darkness by being, you know, not a mass murderer. A sanity beard. I wonder if she knows about that time Will beat a guy to death with his bare hands
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Jul 24, 2015 20:50
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This is undoubtedly the best season thus far, the final scene was excellent.
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Jul 24, 2015 20:55
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Honestly, I feel like this season has been pretty bad compared to the first two. It's like 95% creepy music and artsy shots at this point, and you can't make a good show based on that alone. There are no 'straight' characters left except maybe Jack. Everybody talks the same goofy way hannibal does, all the time. Not really sure how to describe it. Kinda feels like the writing has gone to poo poo or something?
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Jul 24, 2015 21:28
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EmmyOk posted:This is undoubtedly the best season thus far, the final scene was excellent. The second season slow built to the climax so well, what you said there is a bold statement I did absolutely love that Will's murder deconstruction was so muddy and unstructured now, in the first series there was a line of light flashing across the screen and a clear divide between Murderbrains Will and Good Guy Will. Now Will doesn't have that obvious delineation any more, because Jack so profoundly failed.
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Jul 24, 2015 21:32
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Vitamin P posted:The second season slow built to the climax so well, what you said there is a bold statement Yeah the contrast between the first time Will was recruited by Jack as opposed to this time is quite stark. The reconstruction was really cool, and it'll be really interesting to see Will and Hannibal after 3 years apart.
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Jul 24, 2015 21:39
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I like how he didn't really come up with anything that wouldn't be discovered normally by a competent person
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Jul 24, 2015 22:11
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Vitamin P posted:The second season slow built to the climax so well, what you said there is a bold statement The best part was his face a few seconds before. Just "no no no NO NO I DON'T WANNA DO THIIIIIIIS  " before he finally settles into Murder Mode.
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Jul 24, 2015 22:14
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Illusive gently caress Man posted:Honestly, I feel like this season has been pretty bad compared to the first two. It's like 95% creepy music and artsy shots at this point, and you can't make a good show based on that alone. There are no 'straight' characters left except maybe Jack. Everybody talks the same goofy way hannibal does, all the time. Not really sure how to describe it. Kinda feels like the writing has gone to poo poo or something? You want to watch something more straightforward than the show wants to give you. It's a fair opinion to have, but it doesn't make the show bad. Anyway, if you haven't seen episode 8 yet, that's definitely more like the earlier seasons.
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Jul 24, 2015 23:18
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Season 2 was fantastic, and I wouldn't be surprised if it winds up being considered 'the best season' when all is said and done, but I genuinely enjoy all the risks they've taken this season. It's as if they knew their time was up and said "welp, time to REALLY earn all those 'as innovative as Twin Peaks was' comparisons people have been tossing around." They have rushed some things, and they have shortchanged the characterization of some minor characters, and it's annoying. I wanted more Pazzi, I wanted more Margot, I wanted fewer snails, I still don't get why loving Chiyoh was ever introduced. But they've also done some truly moving and/or beautiful and/or unique-for-television things, and they've balanced gore-spattered horror and black comedy and romance/heartbreak in a way I'm not sure I've ever seen before. On balance, I think more of the risks they've taken have paid off than not. Chokes McGee posted:The best part was his face a few seconds before. Just "no no no NO NO I DON'T WANNA DO THIIIIIIIS For sure. That was heartbreaking.
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Jul 25, 2015 00:06
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He's not even good at mega murder mode anymore. Can't wait for his an Hannibal's gossip sesh next episode though. "Could Alana beeeee anymore textbook lesbian in those pantsuits". I also really liked the "get out of my chair" moment.
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Jul 25, 2015 00:27
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Have not read anything above, gently caress canada, gently caress nbc slightly more, etc This guy is a big art fan huh! Yaaay lab guys doing the old swabby swabby WHO  Lol that is quite the Fuller designed cell Cow in the derogatory sense. Love it. Hannibal's no longer the cool killer on campus  I would love to know how he's cooking food Great meta jokes about Hannibal's aesthetics and niche appeal Uh oh film projector monster. This guy's even scarier than the mecha furry! Holy poo poo thats a big book Oh no, that's a face Will hasn't seen in a long time Molly and Walter Will has his doggies again    Ahahaha Hannibal you dickbag ex Will is doing a lot of investigating and not much design swiping Dexter had a field day with all that spatter And here comes Will's murder boner again YESSSSSS SWIPE THAT poo poo This is my design  Scott Thompson my man!!! Obnoxious flame haired woman!!! REASONABLY INTELLIGENT ASSISTANTTTTTTT A snaggle toothed sonofabitch! Will probably shouldn't drink and murderporn in his mental state Lol Will wants the dog Yessss going to see him. God drat it don't end there Great stuff. And as much as I have also enjoyed all the artsy fartsy elements, it's become clear the murder of the week has been the real glue that held this show together and kept it moving. Not saying we'll get more of that though.
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Jul 25, 2015 00:31
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These were p much all my reactions, especially the food one. e: I cannot wait to see jealous ex Hannibal, "Really, Will? This is the kind of killer you're interested in now? He kills perfect families, how utterly blasé"
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Jul 25, 2015 00:34
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EmmyOk posted:These were p much all my reactions, especially the food one. He's not even from an obscure European country that nobody can find on a map! 
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Jul 25, 2015 00:38
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The more I watch this season the more I just can't stand Alana, maybe it's just me but she's so boring and her whole shtick this season of blood poisoning or whatever it was making her a more ruthless and pantsuit wearing person is stupid
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Jul 25, 2015 02:53
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Rewatched. It's super lovely that Will asked Jack not to show any murder photos to his family, and Jack waits until Will's out of the room to show some murder photos to Molly. Jack, you rear end in a top hat. I was rooting for you when you said you no longer wanted to go outside the law to hunt Hannibal, and you still became like him in other ways Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Jul 25, 2015 |
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Jul 25, 2015 06:53
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How did Jack get his job back? (it's not a spoiler, he was leading the cops that Hannibal surrendered to)
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Jul 25, 2015 08:26
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You guys are spoiler happy. Half these spoilers don't need tags because they have almost nothing to do with the actual episode.
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Jul 25, 2015 17:42
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Steve Yun posted:Rewatched. It's super lovely that Will asked Jack not to show any murder photos to his family, and Jack waits until Will's out of the room to show some murder photos to Molly. Were those murder photos, or pre-murder photos of the families?
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Jul 25, 2015 17:49
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It was the living families that Jack showed Molly.
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Jul 25, 2015 18:25
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Ekusukariba posted:The more I watch this season the more I just can't stand Alana, maybe it's just me but she's so boring and her whole shtick this season of blood poisoning or whatever it was making her a more ruthless and pantsuit wearing person is stupid That was an actual thing? I thought it was just goons running a joke into the ground. I completely missed where they actually said she had bone blood poisoning. Was it early in the season? I'll have to do a rewatch of the first half because it's all starting to blur together.
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Jul 25, 2015 19:09
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ruddiger posted:That was an actual thing? I thought it was just goons running a joke into the ground. I completely missed where they actually said she had bone blood poisoning. Was it early in the season? I'll have to do a rewatch of the first half because it's all starting to blur together. Yeah that did actually happen, it's mentioned in episode 4
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Jul 25, 2015 19:11
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Mameluke posted:It was the living families that Jack showed Molly. My mistake. Still, I think the show is saying Jack is being manipulative, and comparing it to Hannibal's manipulation of Will. ruddiger posted:That was an actual thing? I thought it was just goons running a joke into the ground. I completely missed where they actually said she had bone blood poisoning. Was it early in the season? I'll have to do a rewatch of the first half because it's all starting to blur together. When Chilton visits Alana in the hospital, she mentions that her doctor told her that marrow got into her blood and that she should expect to notice herself thinking differently. It's an actual condition that's being blown out of proportion to justify her sudden character change but whatever, poetic license. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Jul 25, 2015 |
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Jul 25, 2015 19:21
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Steve Yun posted:My mistake. Still, I think the show is saying Jack is being manipulative, and comparing it to Hannibal's manipulation of Will. Eh I don't think it's necessary to use that as an reason. She's become pretty hard and cynical, but the events she went through with Hannibal and everything else last season will kinda do that as a person. Nothing she's done this season seems completely against her previous characterization to me. Like, she hooked up with a chick now and her last two lovers were guys, but... that's not really a contradiction, at all? Seems fine to me. And she's ditched the FBI, which seems like a big swing, but her motivations were always more emotional and about people and personal issues rather than a strict dedication to lawfulness. (compare to Jack) Not to mention the FBI just showed itself to be just as heartless as Hannibal in its treatment of Will, as well as totally letting her down and being partly to blame for letting Hannibal get away with so much, including what happened to her. The throughline of her character is super straightforward to me and doesn't require any brain damage bullshit.
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Jul 25, 2015 19:55
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XboxPants posted:Eh I don't think it's necessary to use that as an reason. She's become pretty hard and cynical, but the events she went through with Hannibal and everything else last season will kinda do that as a person. Nothing she's done this season seems completely against her previous characterization to me. quote:Like, she hooked up with a chick now and her last two lovers were guys, but... that's not really a contradiction, at all? Seems fine to me. Will slept with her for no reason too. Margot, despite being lesbian, uses sex for personal gain, with both women and men, that's interesting. But I don't know what they saw in her.
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Very dimly lit episode for many important parts so be sure to watch with the lights off. Richard Armitage really committed to the role, his movements are beautiful and dayum has he worked that back. I would have loved more focus on detail of the paintings as they're stunning and inspiring in their own light. I'm pretty sure Jack got the job back after the JackIsBack-Attack in Italy, he was back into hunter mode and ready to get back to what he does best: locking up specimens for his museum of evil. He's always been willing to skirt the law and use people, use the press, to get his man. He's a legend in the FBI (thanks to Will!) so he'd get his job back for sure. Editing to unspoiler! Both Chilton and Bloom lied about Hannibal being insane in court. Niiiice. Chilton probably wants to keep his "Hannibal the Cannibal ©Chilton" close by to milk for insight into the profession he's mediocre at. Bloom probably has to do what Hannibal says because he has proof of dirt on her. Why does Bloom have Chilton's job now? Interesting that she's no longer working with Jack. Why did Hannibal want an insanity plea? Death row sentences are long and he would have thrived in prison better than in solitary in the asylum. That said, he is getting small luxuries from Chilton in exchange for minor insights. Chilton's got his mind set on his next prize already! Bless his smug attension seeking rear end. Love that Lecter is underminding Chilton's book of lies with a perfectly written thesis to the professional psych journal or whatever it's called. "I pleaded insanity but I'm going to prove scientifically that I'm not insane." Love that they went with "Kitchen Nightmares" as the Tattler headline! No Cannibal puns, haha poor Hannibal! I don't think Molly is a beard, Will's straight. They love strays together, she keeps him grounded without probing too deep or trying to fix him. She knows he's wierd and doesn't care. She knows he'll need recovery time when he returns. I think she's fab and their chemistry was right for a long term couple. With Hannibal, he wanted kinship with someone who actually understood his "gift" and who made him feel less dirty about it. They became fusional as per Hannibal's design and Will the empath lost himself in Hannibal. That was SO over when Abigail got her throat slit. I'd like to know how Hannibal is getting letters out without Chilton reading them since in SotL he was bugging the cell amongst other invasive things.(Thanks for the explanation Showbiz_liz!) I don't see Alana Bloom as having changed that much, she got broken when Will was charged with murder and when Hannibal screwed her over and the Abigail she fought so hard to protect threw her out of the window... she became cold, rigid, professional - massive walls around herself except with Margot. She's always been a smart dresser, lots of reds and very serious about her job. Team forensics is back! They're the best! Can't wait for them to figure out that they're false teeth. It was a little jarring to see so much old tech in Dollarhydes hands: printed magazines and newspapers, scrapbooking, old school film 1980s style when the lab has been so high tech 2010s. I hope they explain some sort of attachment to the past, stunted development or something. Will's messy reconstruction was a great lead in to the fact that he has to see Hannibal. It made it uncontrived and organic to the story. Yes, he never wants to see him again but in order to do his job he needs his old shrink and to revisit evil instead of worrying about dogs. I left the episode wanting to see more Dollarhyde, understand what he's going for a little better. Not all that excited about Will & Hannibal reunion: Will is so tired of this poo poo. He sees right through Jack, he saw right through Hannibal's letter. He's here to do a job and I'm hoping he'll have the Manhunter: "Get to the point, you evil loon" sass for a little while before he gets wrapped up in the case. n3wt fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Jul 26, 2015 |
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Steve Yun posted:Agreed here, I think the marrow thing could have been left out and I still would have bought that anyone would have turned bloodthirsty from that kind of trauma. Margot is super hot and with Will at least was there when he was very low and craved human comfort that he couldn't get from Alana.
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