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justcola
May 22, 2004

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

I imagined Margot donating to the prison significantly enough that Hannibal would get a decent cell as a thank you. It's the kind of thing people do in the show.

Cannibal construction worker. Pharmacist who grows mushrooms on coma patients. Teenager stabs neighbour. Overbearing mother. Man who turns criminals with flaming heads into angels. Eddie Izzard. Organ thief. A luthier who makes cellos out of people. Totem pole made of people. Rotting girl hiding under bed. Eddie Izzard. Girl explodes by combing her hair. Will goes to prison.

Farmer makes a giant eye made of people. Farmer is put in the middle of eye. Nurse puts a man on a deer head, cuts off his ear and blows him up. Bees. Nurse crucifies psychiatrist. A tree made of a person. Chilton goes to prison and is shot in the head. Social worker is put inside a horse. Museum assistant wears mechanised skeleton. Museum assistant jumps through window. Dead person is set on fire strapped to a wheelchair and rolled down a ramp. Millionaire eats own face. Psychiatrist is suplexed.

Student is made into a heart. Heart chases Will. Prisoner is made into a moth covered in snails. Chilton can't give flowers away. Detective is stabbed and pushed out of a window. Psychiatrist cuts friends head open. Millionaire puts nephew inside a pig. Psychiatrist goes to prison.

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HIJK
Nov 25, 2012
in the room where you sleep

justcola posted:

Student is made into a heart. Heart chases Will. Prisoner is made into a moth covered in snails. Chilton can't give flowers away. Detective is stabbed and pushed out of a window. Psychiatrist cuts friends head open. Millionaire puts nephew inside a pig. Psychiatrist goes to prison.

Well that's just too campy, this is a dignified show for dignified people

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat


My branding irons arrived. Time to find me some pork chops!

Modest Proportion
Dec 16, 2012

"Oh wrangling schools, that search what fire
Shall burn this world, had none the wit
Unto this knowledge to aspire,
That this her fever might be it?"

"Did you just smell me?"

justcola posted:

I imagined Margot donating to the prison significantly enough that Hannibal would get a decent cell as a thank you. It's the kind of thing people do in the show.

Cannibal construction worker. Pharmacist who grows mushrooms on coma patients. Teenager stabs neighbour. Overbearing mother. Man who turns criminals with flaming heads into angels. Eddie Izzard. Organ thief. A luthier who makes cellos out of people. Totem pole made of people. Rotting girl hiding under bed. Eddie Izzard. Girl explodes by combing her hair. Will goes to prison.

Farmer makes a giant eye made of people. Farmer is put in the middle of eye. Nurse puts a man on a deer head, cuts off his ear and blows him up. Bees. Nurse crucifies psychiatrist. A tree made of a person. Chilton goes to prison and is shot in the head. Social worker is put inside a horse. Museum assistant wears mechanised skeleton. Museum assistant jumps through window. Dead person is set on fire strapped to a wheelchair and rolled down a ramp. Millionaire eats own face. Psychiatrist is suplexed.

Student is made into a heart. Heart chases Will. Prisoner is made into a moth covered in snails. Chilton can't give flowers away. Detective is stabbed and pushed out of a window. Psychiatrist cuts friends head open. Millionaire puts nephew inside a pig. Psychiatrist goes to prison.

Was that intended to be read to the tune of "We Didn't Start the Fire"?

Also, below, the full recording of Venus in Fur, the major thing the actors playing Will Graham (Hugh Dancy) and Molly Graham (Nina Arianda) starred in together, and probably what Bryan Fuller was thinking of when he cast Hugh to begin with. Hugh's character, Thomas is casting the role of the dominatrix in a play about a sadomasochistic relationship and is disgusted by how most of the women he auditions don't get the role at all. Nina's character, Wanda is the ditzy clusterfuck of an actress who nevertheless completely understands the dominatrix character in a way Thomas gets obsessed with. Over the course of the audition, Wanda mindfucks Thomas until even his very grasp of reality gets unglued.

tl;dw: yet another dramatic situation where Will Graham gets mindfucked except this time into a sex slave rather than a murder husband.

http://renlybaratheon.tumblr.com/post/63857873692/venus-in-fur-sans-watermark-full-video-so-thanks

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008

by Smythe

Steve2911 posted:

Tonally it's taken an absolute nosedive, and has gone from somewhat self-respecting psychological thriller to a 'what weird poo poo can we shove on the screen next?' sort of thing. It feels really cheap and camp all of a sudden.

Agreed with entirety. Also about them completely ruining the Will character.
edit: speaking of s3, mind you.

Cannot get all that excited about the tooth fairy. After all the elaborate murders of the first couple seasons, is "he kills whole families" all that climatic? No ammount of art can repair the sudden lack of decent plot and character building.

Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Jul 29, 2015

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
I can't wait for another episode of Canadian Baconnibal (what we call Hamnibal down here)

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!

Steve Yun posted:

I can't wait for another episode of Canadian Baconnibal (what we call Hamnibal down here)

What time does it show in Canada?

The Berzerker
Feb 24, 2006

treat me like a dog


It's over in 8 minutes (in Canada). I'm watching it now.

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!
Poor will. :(

Sub Rosa
Jun 9, 2010




showbiz_liz posted:

It's also worth pointing out that both the firefly dude and the sabretooth dude were 1. made into human-animal chimeras which 2. represented something the dead person wanted but couldn't really obtain in life (to become an apex predator, to be free). And two of Will's main traits have always been empathy (knowing what the person wants and wanting them to have that thing) and love of animals. I think that in an alternate universe where he was a serial killer, that would continue to be his MO.

So might Will aid Dolarhyde's transformation/becoming?

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
I'm really surprised how warm this Abigail scene is. Hannibal is like her cool murder uncle.

Alana's baby is sooooooooooooo dead.

Bitch don't play with your loving food what do you think happened to Mason

I can't tell if uh that's a mind palace corpse or actual corpse

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Jul 31, 2015

Noirex
May 30, 2006

Murder husbands! Man I have missed Freddie. :3:

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



Yea his fancy white prison cell is 100% real and not in his head. Man there are some good shots of it at the start and it is pretty jarring to have that be his cell. It even has a boarded up fireplace :psyduck:

I guess there was nothing left in the budget to alter that set anymore.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
Oh poo poo they're Cronenberging

This must be what it feels like to be in the east coast time zone, how fun!

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Will's rear end :swoon:

somethingawful bf
Jun 17, 2005

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Yea his fancy white prison cell is 100% real and not in his head. Man there are some good shots of it at the start and it is pretty jarring to have that be his cell. It even has a boarded up fireplace :psyduck:

I guess there was nothing left in the budget to alter that set anymore.

That's a bummer :(

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
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Soiled Meat
Handling infrared film sounds like arcane sorcery

I should really watch Red Dragon and Manhunter again, I want to see how the chemistry between Dolarhyde and Reba compares. This one kind of feels like a schoolteacher talking to a young boy

Mindpalace with Molly :3:

In the conversation between Hannibal and Jack, Hannibal wears the white, and Jack is dressed in black, Hannibal painting him as the villain.

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Jul 31, 2015

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Steve Yun posted:

Mindpalace with Molly :3:

I feel happy for Will that while he's gotten terrible at empathizing with killers over three years out, he's learned to do so with their victims and his family.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

♪ Come with me, and you'll be, in a world of pure imagination. ♪
I loving lost it at,"You called us murder-husbands!" :xd:

So I take it from the comments about the "five doors" that the reason Hannibal's cell is the way it is is due to Alana specifically positioning him in a place in the facility where she alone controls all access?

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004

Grimey Drawer
Hannibal's new haircut is so dorky.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

It was smart what they did with the mindpalace and Molly; they're in sync for a minute but then she makes a comment about Will's 'criminal mind' and they're back on the phone again, compared with earlier in the episode when Hannibal and Will traverse the whole country going over Dollarhyde's motives. I don't like the Will and Hannibal are ~deepest soulmates~ plot thread but it was some smart visual storytelling

widunder
May 2, 2002
Hold on - Who called Hannibal in the penultimate scene?

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

widunder posted:

Hold on - Who called Hannibal in the penultimate scene?

Dollarhyde. Wasn't that obvious?

widunder
May 2, 2002

A Steampunk Gent posted:

Dollarhyde. Wasn't that obvious?
I meant in the flashback scene with Abigail leading up to the S2 finale, where Hannibal gets a call telling him that "they know", mirroring how he called Garrett Jacob Hobbs in the first episode

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

widunder posted:

I meant in the flashback scene with Abigail leading up to the S2 finale, where Hannibal gets a call telling him that "they know", mirroring how he called Garrett Jacob Hobbs in the first episode

That was Will, we saw him do that in the last episode of S2

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

♪ Come with me, and you'll be, in a world of pure imagination. ♪

widunder posted:

I meant in the flashback scene with Abigail leading up to the S2 finale, where Hannibal gets a call telling him that "they know", mirroring how he called Garrett Jacob Hobbs in the first episode

It's Will calling at the end of season 2, we're just seeing an expanded look at Hannibal's immediate reaction, since originally they had to hide Abigail's presence from us for the later reveal in that finale.

widunder
May 2, 2002
Thanks, completely missed that the first time around.

AFoolAndHisMoney
Aug 13, 2013

Open Wide

Say AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

hope and vaseline
Feb 13, 2001

A Steampunk Gent posted:

It was smart what they did with the mindpalace and Molly; they're in sync for a minute but then she makes a comment about Will's 'criminal mind' and they're back on the phone again, compared with earlier in the episode when Hannibal and Will traverse the whole country going over Dollarhyde's motives. I don't like the Will and Hannibal are ~deepest soulmates~ plot thread but it was some smart visual storytelling

That transition is straight from the book also. They're doing some great visual stuff to adapt the material.

AFoolAndHisMoney posted:

Open Wide

Say AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

That and murder husbands had me in stitches

Did anyone else catch the parallels with Abigail and Dolarhyde's "becomings?" Seems like Hannibal was setting Abigail up as a really unique individual, letting her craft her own kind of moral compass that could become something that's influenced by Hannibal and Will's worldviews, but not quite either at the same time. And like Dolarhyde, Hannibal will be instrumental in cutting them off before they reach their full potential.

I'm about 2/3 of the way through the book also, and while the actual forensic investigation stuff is pretty boring to me, Dolarhyde's background and the whole FBI operation to catch him is pretty fascinating. Sidenote: I've never seen the movies

hope and vaseline fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Jul 31, 2015

XboxPants
Jan 30, 2006

Steven doesn't want me watching him sleep anymore.

A Steampunk Gent posted:

It was smart what they did with the mindpalace and Molly; they're in sync for a minute but then she makes a comment about Will's 'criminal mind' and they're back on the phone again, compared with earlier in the episode when Hannibal and Will traverse the whole country going over Dollarhyde's motives. I don't like the Will and Hannibal are ~deepest soulmates~ plot thread but it was some smart visual storytelling

Hah, neither does Will.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

by Pragmatica
Hannibal just loathes Jack, I love it.

hope and vaseline
Feb 13, 2001

Vitamin P posted:

Hannibal just loathes Jack, I love it.

Competition for influence over Will. I bet that's why he hosed with Bella so badly, to make him miserable.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

by Pragmatica

hope and vaseline posted:

Competition for influence over Will. I bet that's why he hosed with Bella so badly, to make him miserable.

Plus Jack is just everything Hannibal hates. He's unambiguously straight, a conventional company man that beat Hannibal up with his gross unsubtle fists and doesn't even slightly play his oh-so-precious murder minds game.

It was so funny seeing Hannibal try and snipe at Jack for fashion sense and being into sports, ugh. For a pathetic moment Hannibal reveals that without the ability to murder and the veneer of conspicuous consumption he's basically a Hot Topic nerd.

hope and vaseline
Feb 13, 2001

That second fight with Jack when he's just flailing around miserably trying to get any verbal barbs in at him was just so telling of their relationship.

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!
To be fair, Hannibal did play Jack like a chump for a long time.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004

It looks like Jack is basically taking Will's place in the disdain section from Red Dragon because the confrontational lines are given to him. Similarly, Bloom is being given Chilton's lines as far as screwing with Hannibal's comfort goes.

AFoolAndHisMoney
Aug 13, 2013

I know it probably wouldn't fit with the events that went down earlier and with Will and Hannibal's relationship but I'm sad we didn't get the "You had certain disadvantages" line.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat

Darko posted:

Similarly, Bloom is being given Chilton's lines as far as screwing with Hannibal's comfort goes.

Aren't they lines from SOTL too?

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
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Soiled Meat

Escobarbarian posted:

Hannibal's new haircut is so dorky.

I dunno if it's just the haircut or if they're doing his makeup differently too, but he looks kinda feeble now

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Quill
Jan 19, 2004

AFoolAndHisMoney posted:

I know it probably wouldn't fit with the events that went down earlier and with Will and Hannibal's relationship but I'm sad we didn't get the "You had certain disadvantages" line.

Yeah, it wouldn't fit, but it's one of those lines that really sticks to your mind.

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