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The finger wagging joke is the best line of the season so far.
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joedevola posted:The finger wagging joke is the best line of the season so far. Holy poo poo that flew over my head 
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Aug 1, 2015 13:52
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One can see how by the end of The Red Dragon Arc, Hannibal will be especially more hostile from his incarceration, combined w/ the indignities of being at the mercy of the ride or ingrates (Jack, Alana & even Will).). It would explain the character's evolution to what we would presumably see if they could have adapted Silence. I'm not sure how they're going to handle Will's final clue of how to discover the identity of the Dragon though.I imagine it is similar to the book but seeing Will walk the murder scenes with an iPad took me out of the prior link to the past adaptations.
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Aug 1, 2015 14:00
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Yeah, the technology these last two episodes has seemed weirdly inconsistent. Does Dolarhyde work at the film facility with Reba? He strikes me as more of a projector hobbyist, getting the home plans another way. Not to mention TattleCrime becoming a newspaper; how did that teacup come together?
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Aug 1, 2015 14:33
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joedevola posted:The finger wagging joke is the best line of the season so far.
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Aug 1, 2015 19:39
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HE DUG UP GJH WHAT THE gently caress Murder Husbands  Blind people really shouldn't be out alone in Hannibal-USA where there's 2000 active art serial killers at any given time. Fuller loves his pies  He still took the fukken dog
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Aug 1, 2015 22:40
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Steve Yun posted:I dunno if it's just the haircut or if they're doing his makeup differently too, but he looks kinda feeble now Place a light underneath the subject's face for that sinister, unnatural look:   Or camera below pointed up, subject illuminated from above if you feel your shot could use a bit more skull:  Should be enough to convince the viewers this Hannibal guy isn't... on the level 
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Aug 2, 2015 01:06
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Brock Samson posted:HE DUG UP GJH WHAT THE gently caress I would have loved to see an AD-esque cutaway of this, or him stealing his body from the morgue, or something. Escobarbarian fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Aug 2, 2015 |
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Aug 2, 2015 01:23
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poo poo, Hannibal is getting pre-empted for a local telethon.
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Aug 2, 2015 02:01
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I'm having PTSD flashbacks to Mizumono 
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Aug 2, 2015 02:11
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Hannibal had SPORTS broadcast over it for me. Can someone fill me in on all the stuff that happened before opening credits and first commercial break?
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Aug 2, 2015 02:14
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Hugh Dancy rear end 
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Aug 2, 2015 02:18
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Oh hai Freddie
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Aug 2, 2015 02:20
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"murder husbands"
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Aug 2, 2015 02:36
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Awesome, I think the throat-cutting scene in this episode is the only time a TV show has made me just want to barf.
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Aug 2, 2015 03:53
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Yeah, just in case you got desensitized to seeing blood, they somehow found a new liquid to shock you with.
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Aug 2, 2015 04:32
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so now we can talk without spoilers about how "You called us 'murder husbands'!" is this year's "Peter, is your social worker in that horse?"
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Aug 2, 2015 07:12
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At the end of the Hannibal book, Hannibal digs up Clarice's dad and shows her the skeleton while brainwashing her. It was cool to see Fuller adapt that scene with Abigail and Garret Jacob Hobbs.
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Aug 2, 2015 08:23
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More Red Dragon / TV show changes! I'll leave actual quotes to people who have more recently read the book, because they'd do a better job of it and also I would end up just quoting the entire book and you should totally read it! Again not spoiling unless it's plot relevant rather than adaptation changes. - Will despises Freddy Lounds in the book. I mean with an outright, loathing passion, similar to TV Will in the first season. The one on one conversation that we see in this episode couldn't happen in the book. Will needed coaching from both Jack and Alan Bloom on how to not punch Freddy in the face for a scene we haven't reached yet (assuming they do it in the TV show, since it's sort've already been mined). - Molly is more vehemently opposed to Will joining up with Jack in the book. Jack is more outright manipulative with both Molly and Will in the show. Jack's major character trait is that he will use any resource available to solve the crime, and if that involves manipulating Will like crazy, then so be it. - Jack suggests that Will go to Hannibal for help via a gloriously manipulative scene. Details next. - More on Jack being a manipulative rear end in a top hat: his primary method of manipulating Will is families. He knows that family is a weak spot for Will and he pushes that button at every possible chance. When he first goes to see Will, he makes sure to talk to Will with Molly and Willy (her son) in sight, so Will can keep looking at them and empathizing harder while looking at the happily family pictures of the murdered Leeds and Jacobis. When he convinces Will to see Hannibal, he does it in a diner with families and other people around so that Will is constantly absorbing emotional input from the people around him. Jack knows how to make Will do what he wants, and more importantly he will press those buttons as often as needed. We saw this in the first season, but I think it's more outright now that we're in Red Dragon proper. Will's line in the last episode about waiting until they're desperate is originally from Jack manipulating him into doing something Jack wants. I should mention that Will knows Jack is manipulating him; he's fully aware and even calls him on it several times. The problem is that Jack isn't wrong - people will die if he doesn't help, and Will has his own motivations for wanting to help. - A lot of the dialogue between Jack and Hannibal was lifted from Will and Hannibal's in the book. Hannibal and Will are not friends in the book, Hannibal outright despises Will. Sidenote: that scene felt really superfluous to me. Why did Jack go to see Hannibal? I didn't understand the point of that scene. - The scene we've just seen where Will visits Hannibal is officially the one and only direct interaction the two ever have on the page in Red Dragon. A lot of the dialogue is the same, which can lead to some weird incongruities, such as Hannibal asking Will if he's ever seen blood in the moonlight. Per the show, the answer is yes, Hannibal. Why are you asking a question you already know the answer to. It just kinda sounds odd in the context of the show. - Happily Straight Married Alan Bloom now being Happily Gay Married (?) Alana Bloom is a major change in terms of character, but Alana's entire role in the story has been a major change. Alan was simply a consulting psychologist who helped give perspective to Will and Jack. Alana is more integral to the character arcs in the show. I liked the detail that when Will asked about Margot and their son, Alana visibly softened. She's a hardass by choice. I can respect that. - Obviously, this means Margot's wife/girlfriend (do we know if they're married?) is not Alana in the book, and Alan Bloom has no ties to the Verger Estate. In fact, the Vergers don't even enter the plot until the book Hannibal, post Silence of the Lambs, which means everything between them and literally all of the characters except Hannibal is unique to this show. - Chilton not being the BHCI director is a great change, because they already mined all of his best scenes/lines in the first two seasons. This is a completely fresh take on it, and Alana certainly has motivation for why she's there. (I admit I am loving stone cold Alana). - Abigail Hobbs exists in the book in the most peripheral sense. Solely through a conversation and some internal reminiscing, we find out that Will kills Garret Jacob Hobbs in nearly the exact same manner in the TV show (complete with "See? See?"). Will proceeded to have a mental breakdown over killing Hobbs and ended up admitting himself to a hospital for treatment. Hobbs' daughter, who survived her father's attack (and is never named in the book), comes to see him in the hospital to talk and let him know she's OK. That's the last we hear about her, and it's entirely through Will's reminiscing. He has no continuing relationship with her. This also means that everything between Abigail and literally every other character in the show is entirely the show's creation. - The parallels being set up between Will and Francis are also seen in the book, and the visual format and way the show is cut is making some of them more blatant, to the point I'd never noticed them before. For example, Francis closing off when Reba mentions speech impediments mirrors Will closing off when Molly teases him about his adolescent "criminal mind." - "Ride with me...for my...pleasure." Oh Francis, if you weren't so awful you'd be adorable. Anyway, Reba's motivation for her interest in him is the same: she senses no pity whatsoever from him, and that intrigues her. - When Francis devoured that pie I laughed so hard! In the book he eats it in two big bites. I don't know why that line always stuck with me, but it seemed so silly and weird of a detail. It makes sense if you realize the man has no actual social graces. Loved that detail. - Francis spends that entire scene thinking to himself about how easy it would be to kill Reba, and ultimately decides not to because there were probably witnesses to him picking her up. For this reason, I really liked how he seemed outright threatening, but primarily through body language - it fits the scene, and Reba would just see him as painfully shy, likely due to his speech impediment (by her reasoning). From the way he sounds and lisps, she actually figures he has a cleft palette issue in the book and at least one of the movies (I honestly don't remember the scene in Manhunter). It makes sense because she specifically says she was going to work with kids with speech impediments, so she would know how to listen for them and the causes of different sounds. If I think of anything else, I'll post!
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Aug 2, 2015 15:44
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I have to say, if I didn't know that was Richard Armitage playing Francis, I would not recognize him at all. Man does a great job getting lost in the part.
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Aug 2, 2015 16:54
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"You called us murder husbands" was probably the best part of this whole season
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Aug 2, 2015 20:00
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One I forgot to mention earlier: the phone call between Francis and Hannibal at the end of the episode uses language from a letter Dolarhyde wrote to Hannibal on toilet paper. Dolarhyde never explicitly tells Hannibal what he's "becoming," so that's an interesting change, and a very direct reveal. There have been quite a few changes in all of the adaptations that turn subtle realizations into being told directly. I guess a consequence of the visual media?
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Aug 2, 2015 20:13
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Gotta say, didn't expect to hear Will and Molly talking about how big their dog's balls were.
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Aug 2, 2015 21:57
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TheIndividual posted:Gotta say, didn't expect to hear Will and Molly talking about how big their dog's balls were. This has got to be the moment Fuller had been waiting for all this time. Getting Hugh Dancy to say that he once retracted his balls.
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Aug 2, 2015 22:42
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hope and vaseline posted:This has got to be the moment Fuller had been waiting for all this time. Getting Hugh Dancy to say that he once retracted his balls. Was Goodbye Horses playing on the radio at the time? 
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Aug 2, 2015 23:33
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Wiggy Marie posted:- When Francis devoured that pie I laughed so hard! In the book he eats it in two big bites. I don't know why that line always stuck with me, but it seemed so silly and weird of a detail. It makes sense if you realize the man has no actual social graces. Loved that detail. I'm not sure if it's what Harris had in mind, but if you're in the military you get in the habit of eating super fast because meal time is extremely short. From what I've been told, the habit sticks with you.
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Aug 3, 2015 00:06
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It emphasizes his size and appetite as a bodybuilder also and that kind of primal appetite inherent in his second identity as the dragon.
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Aug 3, 2015 00:40
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Mameluke posted:Yeah, the technology these last two episodes has seemed weirdly inconsistent. Does Dolarhyde work at the film facility with Reba? He strikes me as more of a projector hobbyist, getting the home plans another way. Reba says something like "are you the same Mr. D who sends the rockets when the requisitions are wrong?" He does indeed work there.
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Aug 3, 2015 02:25
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Steve Yun posted:I'm not sure if it's what Harris had in mind, but if you're in the military you get in the habit of eating super fast because meal time is extremely short. From what I've been told, the habit sticks with you. My dad grew up in a military family, and was in the USAF for 20 years himself. He eats faster than anyone save Kobayashi.
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Aug 3, 2015 04:41
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How is... How is Hannibal coming across as the sympathetic one here? After everything that went down last season? What has this show done to my brain?  Also the final exchange was fantastic because of Hannibal's expression. "What are you becoming?" "THE GREAT RED DRAGON" "... neat! "
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Aug 3, 2015 05:08
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Both Jack and Will wear black while standing in the dark half of the room. Hannibal wears white while standing in the white half of the room. Alana wears both black and white and dances around on both sides of the room. It works on both the color = murdery and color = sexual orientation levels. Now Hannibal just needs to prove Will's wearing a white shirt under his black sweater Chokes McGee posted:How is... How is Hannibal coming across as the sympathetic one here? After everything that went down last season? What has this show done to my brain? Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Aug 3, 2015 |
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Aug 3, 2015 05:55
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joedevola posted:The finger wagging joke is the best line of the season so far. Oh god it was. Most writers seem to fail miserably when it comes to assigning snark, sarcasm and witticisms to their characters - I mean, sure the joke is funny, but it usually comes off like a like smarmy web-blogger (for example, all the dialogue in the movie Juno). The Hannibal writers are able to do this without all of their characters sounding the same. Each character has their own brand of humor. It's a beautiful thing.
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Aug 3, 2015 13:06
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Steve Yun posted:Alana hired Hannibal to commit murder and save Will Graham for her, and on top of that he provided a child for Margot and Alana. And now instead of thanking him for the family she now has, she's telling him that she's going to take away his toilet. Although Hannibal absolutely deserves to be behind bars, it's pretty inescapable how unfair it feels. Yeah he can just retreat to his mind palace if he can't stand the indignity I guess, but he turned himself in so it's his design anyway.
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Aug 3, 2015 13:50
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Steve Yun posted:Both Jack and Will wear black while standing in the dark half of the room. Hannibal wears white while standing in the white half of the room. Alana wears both black and white and dances around on both sides of the room. You do remember Hannibal swore to murder her during that same scene? Their alliance was a temporary 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' deal, Hannibal didn't want Will butchered by Mason any more than Alana did. I don't think it's terribly hypocritical of her to now take steps to prevent her own, unwarranted death
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Aug 3, 2015 14:09
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"Tick, tock, tick, boom" was a pretty fantastic line as well. Like it's clearly a threat, but also a starkly frank agreement she's right.
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Aug 3, 2015 15:06
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A Steampunk Gent posted:You do remember Hannibal swore to murder her during that same scene? Their alliance was a temporary 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' deal, Hannibal didn't want Will butchered by Mason any more than Alana did. I don't think it's terribly hypocritical of her to now take steps to prevent her own, unwarranted death Having several doors that only she has the keys to is understandable. That's about self preservation. But threatening to take away his toilet, that's over Will. The same Will whose life he saved at her request.
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Aug 3, 2015 16:11
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Steve Yun posted:Having several doors that only she has the keys to is understandable. That's about self preservation. After drilling a hole in his head, yeah. One good turn doesn't change the many, many terrible things he'd done to Will by that point, plus Alana, Jack, Abigail and everyone else. Hannibal is just acting like a brat, to me. A snarky one who's upset that none of his toys are working the way he wants anymore. He can play games if he wants, and she'll take his toilet. I mean have at it, Hannibal. He knows the rules. He just doesn't like them.
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Aug 3, 2015 16:21
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joedevola posted:The finger wagging joke is the best line of the season so far. I had to pause the TV for a few seconds to recover from that one. So bummed this is ending. Does anyone think this show could have found an audience if the previous seasons had ended up on Netflix instead of Prime ala Breaking Bad? Or, is it just too different and unique to ever be more widely accepted?
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Aug 3, 2015 16:24
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It probably would've found an audience on Netflix or cable. NBC had this problem with Kings several years ago too, thinking they could put a show that belonged on cable on network
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Steve Yun posted:Having several doors that only she has the keys to is understandable. That's about self preservation. As Wiggy Marie said, the same Will he also gutted, drugged, framed and tried to turn into a serial killer; the only reason he even had to save Will is because he was caught mid-act trying to do the same thing. Alana sees he's trying to start The Great Game with Will again and is basically saying 'don't try to gently caress with my friend' because she knows it'll inevitably end badly for him. Even if there is a degree of personal malice, it is harder to think of a more deserving target in human history, Hannibal violated and at least attempted to murder practically everyone in her life
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