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Aug 3, 2015 17:21
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A Steampunk Gent posted:As Wiggy Marie said, the same Will he also gutted, drugged, framed and tried to turn into a serial killer; the only reason he even had to save Will is because he was caught mid-act trying to do the same thing. Alana sees he's trying to start The Great Game with Will again and is basically saying 'don't try to gently caress with my friend' because she knows it'll inevitably end badly for him. Even if there is a degree of personal malice, it is harder to think of a more deserving target in human history, Hannibal violated and at least attempted to murder practically everyone in her life Also concealing the encephalitis, which was so bad it put Will into catatonic states and the hospital more than once. Plus what he did to Bev. And Bella. Is Freddie the only character he hasn't done anything to directly? I guess Jimmy and Brian too. No sympathy from me!
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Aug 3, 2015 18:51
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C'mon guys. I know he framed Will, hid is encephalitis, made him think he killed and ate Abigail, stabbed him in the stomach, made him kill people and cannibalism and tried to eat his brain, but that's just how Hannibal expresses love
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Aug 3, 2015 19:00
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Steve Yun posted:C'mon guys. I know he framed Will, hid is encephalitis, made him think he killed and ate Abigail, stabbed him in the stomach, made him kill people and cannibalism and tried to eat his brain, but that's just how Hannibal expresses love Every family expresses love differently. Hannibal's love for Will is a deep love. A powerful love. A love that crushes like a mace.
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Aug 3, 2015 19:04
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Alternately, Hannibal is a narcissistic psychopath who is incapable of relating to people except as toys to be mangled, broken and eaten; he even killed his own surrogate daughter on a whim in an act of petty spite against someone else. He is incapable of feeling genuine love for anyone
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Aug 3, 2015 19:11
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Chokes McGee posted:Every family expresses love differently. That's his mortar and pestle. Gotta make sure those herbs are ground up nice for the rub. I like Anala's scene in Hannibal's cell. Yes, she is threatening Hannibal with the removal of dignity, but she also is stating the terms beforehand. This would be courtesy. Hannibal can play his games, but knows that if he gets caught, it spells the loss of privileges. I liked the scene.
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Aug 3, 2015 19:13
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PassTheRemote posted:That's his mortar and pestle. Gotta make sure those herbs are ground up nice for the rub. Me too, it wasn't petty in the slightest. Not like book/movie Chilton at all. She calmly laid down the facts: Hannibal has nice things because he's playing nice, in fact he has very nice things! They even gave him an insanity defense so he didn't have to go to dirty boring prison. Now, if he decides to get up to his mind games again with people outside, some of those niceties will be taken away. This is a woman who lives with the constant reminder of pain in her hips that Hannibal plays human puppets for funsies: She fought tooth and nail for Abigail to get proper help and privacy after all that happened with her father, she grieved her 'death' and the loss of Will's sanity... only to find out Hannibal made Abigail into a compliant minion who tried to kill Alana then slit her throat just to mess with Will's head... also Hannibal's promise to kill her obviously weighs on her mind now she's a partner and mother. She probably knows that he has 'friends' (she saw how far Bedelia went) or former patients on the outside who could carry out orders for him so she's trying to keep Hannibal's exposure to the world at large as limited as possible and that's all been thrown into chaos with this Tooth Fairy case.
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Aug 3, 2015 19:46
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Chokes McGee posted:Every family expresses love differently. Noooo now I'll be saying it all the time. Why have you done this!
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Aug 3, 2015 20:16
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See, when Hannibal gets the phone call from Dolarhyde, he's motivated to play games because she said mean nasty things to him. Maybe if Alana was nicer to him, he wouldn't have cause to play his games. It's all Alana's fault if you really think about it 
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Aug 3, 2015 21:00
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Only getting to watch this week's episode now The way they are shooting Will and Hannibal's conversation about Red Dragon is excellent. e1: Whoo Freddie e2: I do not think threatening indignity on Hannibal will end well for Alana EmmyOk fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Aug 3, 2015 |
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Aug 3, 2015 21:59
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Wait how many episodes is this season ? 10? Cause that would mean next episode is the last right?
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Aug 3, 2015 22:07
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13, exactly the same as the previous two.
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Aug 3, 2015 22:14
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Parachute posted:Yeah he can just retreat to his mind palace if he can't stand the indignity I guess, but he turned himself in so it's his design anyway. I really dug the scene in season 2 where Hannibal is discussing how he could retreat to his mind palace if he was ever incarcerated.... but then admits that doing so would put him at risk at becoming lost in his own mind, which would be in itself a defeat/indignity. That he was willing to give himself up just to prevent Will from being able to fully/cleanly reject him says a lot about how obsessed he is with being in control/not letting others have advantage over him. It also goes to show (if it wasn't already obvious) that while he might be a super-genius Machiavelli, he DOES have those certain.... disadvantages.
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Aug 3, 2015 22:16
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A Big Black Box and Murder Husbands, Freddie is the best.
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Aug 3, 2015 22:23
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EmmyOk posted:A Big Black Box Well no wonder why Hannibal can't quit him
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Aug 3, 2015 22:25
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Come on blind girl don't get in his van he sounds creepy and you can't tell he's a babe.
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Aug 3, 2015 22:33
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EmmyOk posted:Come on blind girl don't get in his van he sounds creepy and you can't tell he's a babe. Seriously. I know this is MAGICAL REALISM and all, but in what world does "Ride with me. For my...pleasure." Not give off instantaneous serial killer vibes? Like I get you like that he doesn't have sympathy for you, lady, but he's also super creepy in every scene. God, relationships are so weird in Hannibal. Speaking of which, surprised to see that Margot and Alana now have a child. I guess fratricide and kaleidoscope sex (still stupid, by the way) can have a way of bringing people together. I read in AV Club's review that these Abigail scenes are meant to set up a parallel to something else which I've already forgotten but is no doubt thematic and meaningful, but god do they strike me as unnecessary. Like I know the show likes to play with its chronology and not show certain important scenes only to show them later on, but wow it was just weird and jarring to see Seasons 1 and 2 Abigail talking with Season 3 weird-rear end dialogue. I bet Fuller was just using it as an excuse for more slow motion shots of liquid. And speaking of dialogue, Will's conversation with his wife was probably my favorite part of the episode. It was just so drat refreshing to have a conversation that wasn't stupidly mysterious. I can only hope that this show will continue to discuss the relative sizes of various 'nads in future episodes. That "Great Red DRRUUUAAAGON" line at the end straddled the narrow boundary between really hammy and really terrifying, but it worked for me. Overall, though, this episode was mostly boring to me and putting me back into that unhappy state I was with most of the other Season 3 episodes, for all the reasons I've said before. Honestly, I'm kind of relieved the show is ending. I don't think I could do another season of this.
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Aug 4, 2015 00:08
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In retrospect, I feel pretty confident that A. Will would have lived through the brain surgery and B. The only thing damaged would be his empathy, turning him into the perfect Husbando.
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Aug 4, 2015 00:10
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Xanderkish posted:And speaking of dialogue, Will's conversation with his wife was probably my favorite part of the episode. It was just so drat refreshing to have a conversation that wasn't stupidly mysterious. I can only hope that this show will continue to discuss the relative sizes of various 'nads in future episodes. Yeah I couldn't tell if that line was terrible or awesome I decided on awesome. Will' call to Molly was super sweet I hope she can keep him anchored.
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Aug 4, 2015 00:19
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Nine episodes into the season, does nobody want to discuss the most disturbing revelation so far? At that time of night, with that level of tint, the only way Hannibal could ride with a smoke visor is if he has paranormal powers which transcend evolution.
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Aug 4, 2015 00:28
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I do not find Hannibal even slightly sympathetic and never have
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Aug 4, 2015 00:34
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3En05UdtK0
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Aug 4, 2015 00:38
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Regy Rusty posted:I do not find Hannibal even slightly sympathetic and never have Preach it, girlfriend.
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Aug 4, 2015 01:50
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Okay, I feel dumb. What was the finger wagging joke?
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Aug 4, 2015 02:09
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Captain Magic posted:Okay, I feel dumb. What was the finger wagging joke? Fingering 
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Aug 4, 2015 02:11
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Regy Rusty posted:I do not find Hannibal even slightly sympathetic and never have Yeah I don't get the "But Hannibal loves Will in the only way he knows how!" posts, I mean I can understand the psychology but there's no love of any kind in Hannibal. He is callous and hollow and any appearance he has of humanity is completely constructed. It's a mask, he's even said so himself. The connection Will and Hannibal have is their shared emptiness. The difference is that Will can fill his emptiness up with the thoughts and feelings of others and Hannibal cannot. Their opposite natures are complementary which is why each finds the other so compelling.
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Aug 4, 2015 03:11
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King Vidiot posted:there's no love of any kind in Hannibal. Hannibal cried over finding out Will was only pretending to be his friend, and almost cried when Will was in prison and "refused his love." He drew fanshipping pictures of himself and Will as Achilles and Patroclus like he was a lovestruck 14 year old girl. One of the main points of season 2 was that Hannibal got to know love and became emotionally vulnerable for the first time in his life since his sister died. As much as Hannibal affected Will, Will affected Hannibal. That's why when Hannibal says "did you think you could change me, like I changed you?" Will replies "I already did" and Hannibal doesn't have a good comeback to that, because he realized it was true. It's weird and doesn't resemble any normal human love, but that's because he's not normal. This show's not about normal people. That said, it seems season 3 is about that rejected love turning into vengefulness and stalking. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Aug 4, 2015 |
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Aug 4, 2015 06:08
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Regy Rusty posted:I do not find Hannibal even slightly sympathetic and never have Yeah, take that monsters toilet, let him feel some trace of the pain he's caused god knows how many families over the years. I liked Alana's little power play.
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Aug 4, 2015 08:35
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Taking away the toilet just creates a bigger mess for Alana to clean up later though, to put it delicately. IDK, it doesn't strike me as particularly impressive. Where do you go from there? What do you do when Hannibal scrapes out a tunnel to Chilton's office and just uses those bathroom facilities instead? Probably has a fancy shower and everything. That line just makes me roll my eyes.
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Aug 4, 2015 09:28
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Alternately, Hannibal is a narcissistic psychopath who is incapable of relating to people except as toys to be mangled, broken and eaten; he even killed his own surrogate daughter on a whim in an act of petty spite against someone else. He is incapable of feeling genuine love for anyone What everyone is calling love I think is simply respect. Hannibal respects Will and so cultivates their relationship but when it comes down to it Hannibal isn't capable of love as we know it. He understands it and can mimic it because he's a great psychologist but he doesn't experience it.
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Aug 4, 2015 09:31
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I think whatever is between Hannibal and Will is far more compelling than simple respect, they were and most likely ( ) still are completely obsessed with each other. To call it something as trivial respect or that there is nothing there for Hannibal is p silly imo.
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Aug 4, 2015 09:35
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Captain Magic posted:Okay, I feel dumb. What was the finger wagging joke? 
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Aug 4, 2015 14:29
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Xanderkish posted:Seriously. I know this is MAGICAL REALISM and all, but in what world does "Ride with me. For my...pleasure." Not give off instantaneous serial killer vibes? Like I get you like that he doesn't have sympathy for you, lady, but he's also super creepy in every scene. I think it's important to remember that she is just now getting out into the 'real world' after being somewhat isolated in the blind community. I thought this episode was head and shoulders above the last one, and the scenes where Hannibal and Will discuss the crime were far superior to either movie version of the same scene. I can see finding the Abigail stuff unnecessary but really, this episode was great. Steve Yun posted:That's why when Hannibal says "did you think you could change me, like I changed you?" Will replies "I already did" and Hannibal doesn't have a good comeback to that, because he realized it was true. Well, he DID come up with a good comeback to that, it's just that it involved spraying Will with Abigail's lifeblood
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Aug 4, 2015 14:52
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It's really important that Abigail is the first person in Hannibal's life who's shown a kind of understanding and acceptance of Hannibal and shared a hosed up version of love that he's capable of identifying with, and it's contrasting with Reba as she begins to be the first person to break down Dolarhyde's barriers.
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Aug 4, 2015 14:57
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showbiz_liz posted:Well, he DID come up with a good comeback to that, it's just that it involved spraying Will with Abigail's lifeblood That's why he had no comeback for Alana, he had none of Margot's lifeblood to fling at her. It's like morbid pocket sand 
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Aug 4, 2015 15:06
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hope and vaseline posted:It's really important that Abigail is the first person in Hannibal's life who's shown a kind of understanding and acceptance of Hannibal and shared a hosed up version of love that he's capable of identifying with, and it's contrasting with Reba as she begins to be the first person to break down Dolarhyde's barriers. There's also a comparison between Will's relationship with Molly and Reba's relationship with Dolarhyde. When Reba mentions speech therapy she notices that Francis goes quiet, realizes why, and then goes out of her way to give him clear and positive feedback. Likewise, when Molly makes an offhand joke that Will was a criminal even as a kid, he gives a defensive "I don't have a criminal mind." She realizes that this bugged him, so she showers him with supportiveness.
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Aug 4, 2015 15:10
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Captain Magic posted:Okay, I feel dumb. What was the finger wagging joke?  I missed it at first too 
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Aug 4, 2015 16:01
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Yea I missed the finger wagging joke too, if not for the internet I'd have had no clue.
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Aug 4, 2015 16:11
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I find it unbelievable that anyone would have missed that, but then, I also couldn't believe that anyone missed "This can be your entrance. It isn't easy to find the first time you come." in episode 4, so maybe my gayjokedar is just on point
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Aug 4, 2015 16:14
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showbiz_liz posted:I find it unbelievable that anyone would have missed that, but then, I also couldn't believe that anyone missed "This can be your entrance. It isn't easy to find the first time you come." in episode 4, so maybe my gayjokedar is just on point I think part of it is that Alana only revealed her bisexuality very recently, so sometimes I forget about that aspect of her character. There's no good excuse though, I felt really dumb.
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