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I think Hannibal experiences what he considers to be feelings of friendship and love, but it's like some twisted simulacrum. He's incapable of true empathy, but he makes these weird fumbling attempts. He's like a cat trying to please its owner by dragging in half-dead birds.
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Wiggy Marie posted:Noooo now I'll be saying it all the time. Why have you done this! Because I want to see Bryan Fuller do Drakengard. Lalalalala the watchers watch Hannibal!
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Aug 4, 2015 17:15
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Maxwell Lord posted:I think Hannibal experiences what he considers to be feelings of friendship and love, but it's like some twisted simulacrum. He's incapable of true empathy, but he makes these weird fumbling attempts. Yep- and that's why this exchange was so significant: Hannibal: Your father never wished for anything but your happiness. Abigail: My father cut my throat. Hannibal: Out of love. Abigail: That wasn't love. Hannibal: Every family loves differently. Every love is unique. Hannibal believes that poo poo. He actually believes it, and he believes what he said about Will being his family, which is why he is able both to love Will and to repeatedly and dramatically destroy his life.
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Aug 4, 2015 17:29
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If it's any consolation, Dancy's next acting gig sounds loving amazing.
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Aug 4, 2015 18:23
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ufarn posted:If it's any consolation, Dancy's next acting gig sounds loving amazing. With Aaron Paul! They should have cryingscreaming competitions on set.
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Aug 4, 2015 18:25
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I put off watching Pushing Daisies because the premise sounded too depressing. As it turns out this was a really dumb thing to worry about, this is awesome, although it's kind of weird seeing small stylistic resemblances to Hannibal in a comedy.
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Aug 4, 2015 18:35
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I put off watching Pushing Daisies because the premise sounded too depressing. Its cancellation is much more painful than Hannibal's because they did not plan for it at all
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Aug 4, 2015 18:41
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I put off watching Pushing Daisies because the premise sounded too depressing. Funny, I had put it off because it sounded too goofy and I also wound up loving it. A surprising number of the corpses are similar to the Hannibal corpses, though more stylized and less overtly gory. I found myself attempting to explain the basic premise of the show to a friend of mine (who likes Hannibal) and man, it's not really easy to describe accurately, is it?
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Aug 4, 2015 18:43
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I just binged through the entire series, and it was incredible! I wonder if it's controversial for me to say that I thought the series could have ended at the end of season 2 and I would've been happy. The first two seasons were about Hannibal being revealed as the monster he was, and I found the very start of season 3 unappealing because it was a drastic change of scenery, and everyone knew what Hannibal really was. If they'd wrapped things up with an extra half hour in the season 2 finale showing who bled out and who didn't and how the survivors had their lives changed, I could've dealt with that. I think the consolation with it ending is that we can easily extrapolate from books and movies what happens after the final episode of the series, starting with Silence of the Lambs. So it's not like other ended-too-soon shows where we're left with a cliffhanger and no idea what happens to the characters.
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Aug 4, 2015 18:45
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I put off watching Pushing Daisies because the premise sounded too depressing.  .
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Aug 4, 2015 18:45
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Fuller is gonna apply all this weird poo poo to American Gods but since it has Gaiman's name on, nerds are gonna eat it uppppppppppppppppppppp.
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Aug 4, 2015 19:53
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EmmyOk posted:I think whatever is between Hannibal and Will is far more compelling than simple respect, they were and most likely ( showbiz_liz posted:Yep- and that's why this exchange was so significant: I guess what I'm trying to say is that Hannibal doesn't process and experience love the same way regular people do so to call it the same thing is strange. Or maybe it was Will who taught Hannibal what it is to love again. Unrelated I want a murder husbands avatar, anyone know offhand if was there a scene where Hannibal and Will both kill a person together? I'm thinking of maybe dream sequence where Hannibal holds Jack down and Will slices this throat did that happen?
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Aug 4, 2015 19:59
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I thought the line had a sort of triple meaning. The two obvious ones being literal finger wagging and masturbation. I think the third could be alluding to dick wagging. When someone comes in "wagging their dick around," they are obnoxiously forcing their supposed dominance over others, trying to prove to others they are overly masculine and in power. Since Alana has taken a more masculine turn in her personality this year, Hannibal sees her trying to have dominance over him but he knows it's all a façade.
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Aug 4, 2015 20:24
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mrking posted:I guess what I'm trying to say is that Hannibal doesn't process and experience love the same way regular people do so to call it the same thing is strange. Or maybe it was Will who taught Hannibal what it is to love again. There is a great scene where they are both basically wanking over the Shiva killing talking about "A budding killer trying to impress a mentor". I think without audio that might just look like the two of them standing there though.
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Aug 4, 2015 20:31
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Well, I guess this is as a good a reason as any to to rewatch the entire series
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Aug 4, 2015 20:38
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mrking posted:Well, I guess this is as a good a reason as any to to rewatch the entire series Should have some good ideas
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Aug 4, 2015 20:41
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ufarn posted:If it's any consolation, Dancy's next acting gig sounds loving amazing. That sounds like a really good show, but yeah that is pretty bittersweet news.
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Aug 4, 2015 21:38
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJlkGZS5PK0 "She's upset, 'cause she doesn't get your humor like I do!" awwwww  (hannibal & will is a really great couple to bring out tailor swift's creepy undertones)
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Aug 4, 2015 21:40
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mrking posted:I guess what I'm trying to say is that Hannibal doesn't process and experience love the same way regular people do so to call it the same thing is strange. Or maybe it was Will who taught Hannibal what it is to love again. It's not very murdery but there is a scene from season 1 where Will, um, flattens himself against a library ladder and presents himself for Hannibal's inspection. I would like to note they are both clothed while doing this.
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Aug 4, 2015 22:48
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There is also the part in the finale of Season 2 where Hannibal sniffs Will's hair.
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Aug 4, 2015 22:53
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Jerusalem posted:That sounds like a really good show, but yeah that is pretty bittersweet news. Pretty much. Silence of the Lambs is one of my favorite movies. It depresses me that I won't see this show's take on the story or characters. If wizard magic, MGM's IP permissions, and the absolute desperation of some online content distributor were to somehow align, I'm one of those people who'd love to see a nonwhite Clarice. A nonwhite transwoman version of Clarice.
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Aug 4, 2015 23:05
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HIJK posted:It's not very murdery but there is a scene from season 1 where Will, um, flattens himself against a library ladder and presents himself for Hannibal's inspection.  BJPaskoff posted:I think the consolation with it ending is that we can easily extrapolate from books and movies what happens after the final episode of the series, starting with Silence of the Lambs. So it's not like other ended-too-soon shows where we're left with a cliffhanger and no idea what happens to the characters. Are we already in the acceptance phase of grieving Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Aug 4, 2015 |
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Aug 4, 2015 23:36
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They have never actually killed together if you don't count that fantasy sequence, but there's always this
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Aug 5, 2015 00:55
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Aug 5, 2015 00:59
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Steve Yun posted:
I think Will said it best. https://youtube.com/watch?v=A8sO5HppRUk&feature=youtu.be&t=06 Yestermoment fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Aug 5, 2015 |
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Aug 5, 2015 01:07
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By the way, I hope everyone is aware of pornhub comments on hannibal screencaps
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Aug 5, 2015 01:11
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showbiz_liz posted:By the way, I hope everyone is aware of pornhub comments on hannibal screencaps  This is the best Jerry, the best!
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Aug 5, 2015 01:17
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Asking the BIG questions
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Aug 5, 2015 01:27
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showbiz_liz posted:By the way, I hope everyone is aware of pornhub comments on hannibal screencaps Holy poo poo that's great.
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Aug 5, 2015 01:29
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Murder Husbands.gif A family that slays together stays together
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Aug 5, 2015 14:26
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https://mobile.twitter.com/BryanFuller/status/622600509556297728 loving figures since the only subjects I haven't seen him try to twist in some way or another was math and physics, and the only thing he said he couldn't do was put a broken tea cup back together. So I'm curious how seriously he took his work if that was one of the things he decided to burn.
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showbiz_liz posted:By the way, I hope everyone is aware of pornhub comments on hannibal screencaps Thankyou, this is gold.
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Maxwell Lord posted:I think Hannibal experiences what he considers to be feelings of friendship and love, but it's like some twisted simulacrum. He's incapable of true empathy, but he makes these weird fumbling attempts. I don't think it's a total lack of empathy, I think he actually feels empathy relatively normally, like most people - lots of empathy for people he likes, no empathy for people he hates. There's no such thing as "true empathy", all empathy is just projection, and Hannibal sees the problems of Will and Abigail through his own bizarre psychology. With Will, he sees the huge emotional tole Will's empathy has on him, but he doesn't counsel Will to lose his empathy. He tries to make him change his morality, all of his actions are trying to break and transgress Will's morality and make him understand that he can live without judgement and revulsion, and without the resultant inner turmoil. With Abigail, he believes that Abigail's revulsion is preventing her from making peace with the trauma of her father. This pattern repeats with Margot, Alana, and so on. Hannibal's whole schtick is to take a person experiencing turmoil because of moral and social restraint, and advising that the simplest course is to abandon morality, because he earnestly believes that it will help them. He's there to give evil advice, which he considers a service. He's like an extreme exaggeration of a Satanist or an Objectivist. Periodiko fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Aug 5, 2015 |
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Aug 5, 2015 17:26
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I think it would be more accurate to say that Hannibal can experience empathy for those he considers to be on his level, but he's met very few people who (by his standards) are. The vast majority are below him, and he barely even considers them to be of the same species. Of course even when he does experience feelings like love or friendship, its completely twisted because of his childhood but its not like he's dead inside, he does feel things.
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Aug 5, 2015 18:18
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Just watched series 3 episode 2. Holy poo poo this comedy foreigner cop is the funniest comic relief sidekick ever. I literally cannot stop myself laughing when he speaks.
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Aug 5, 2015 19:39
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Modest Proportion posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/BryanFuller/status/622600509556297728 I haven't read the books, but isn't there some passage in the books somewhere where he reads a Stephen Hawking book about space and time? Like, he reads about how an advanced being outside of the boundaries of space and time could see all of time at once, and would be able to see a teacup after being broken and then before being broken? And Hannibal gets sad because he wonders how he could reverse time and see Mischa alive again.
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Aug 5, 2015 19:45
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Yep! The notebook is an homage to that passage from the book Hannibal.
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Aug 5, 2015 20:12
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How does a blind person know how much chemical to put in a beaker?
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Aug 5, 2015 22:05
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Steve Yun posted:See, when Hannibal gets the phone call from Dolarhyde, he's motivated to play games because she said mean nasty things to him. Maybe if Alana was nicer to him, he wouldn't have cause to play his games. It's all Alana's fault if you really think about it That's like saying a piece of software solely designed to play chess decides not too after you threaten to play checkers. Hannibal is always playing games, thats who he is. Maxwell Lord posted:I think Hannibal experiences what he considers to be feelings of friendship and love, but it's like some twisted simulacrum. He's incapable of true empathy, but he makes these weird fumbling attempts. I'm pretty sure he has emotion and 'true' empathy. His definition of what true empathy is differs from popular opinion.
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SmokaDustbowl posted:How does a blind person know how much chemical to put in a beaker?
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