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Bedelia wasn't trying to kill him, she reached too far back into his throat and got her fingers caught in an involuntary swallow reflex. That's why she said that sometimes it's sometimes better to crush someone in need of help - it was a very obscufated pun.
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 https://twitter.com/BryanFuller/status/630198318442741760 Not very frightening at this point =p The tiger was deliberately over saturated with orange because of William Blake's poem Tyger (quoted by Hannibal in the episode) http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~keith/poems/tyger.html "Tyger! Tyger! burning bright" OK, nevermind that he spent the whole episode climaxing in various forms. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3723960&pagenumber=77&perpage=40#post448722811 n3wt fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Aug 9, 2015 |
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I personally don't care, but there may be people who do care about not getting shown cool prosthetics from episodes that haven't aired yet. Just because Bryan Fuller does something doesn't mean it's totally cool to just repost it directly in the thread, the man loves to spoil absolutely everything about his show in tweets and interviews.
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I just assumed it was from this episode.
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King Vidiot posted:I personally don't care, but there may be people who do care about not getting shown cool prosthetics from episodes that haven't aired yet. Just because Bryan Fuller does something doesn't mean it's totally cool to just repost it directly in the thread, the man loves to spoil absolutely everything about his show in tweets and interviews. I am one of those people.
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Didn't that suit show up at the beginning of the episode that just aired, in the cold open where Dolarhyde transforms? Fuller's tweet suggests it was a makeup test for the episode he was livetweeting, too
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Yeah, that was from this episode, and they pulled it off very well, I thought. The aesthetic had some Blake / Dore echoes for sure.
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I figure the season ends with the escape scene from silence of the lambs. They'd probably do it differently, though, the 'wearing other peoples face' thing has been used pretty thoroughly this season. That way they have a cleaner slate to start with for a feature-length or some miracle getting picked up despite everything. e: i wonder how well a kickstarter would do
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H.P. Shivcraft posted:Didn't that suit show up at the beginning of the episode that just aired, in the cold open where Dolarhyde transforms? Fuller's tweet suggests it was a makeup test for the episode he was livetweeting, too Yeah it's the make-up testing part for the suit that then showed up painted red with wings attached and cgi flames in the mind-palace phone conversation between Hannibal and Dolarhyde where he says he can't wait to sit before 666 and reveal his true self. Hannibal seemed legit touched that D felt he was the devil incarnate. I imagine that's probably the ultimate flattery for him. They wanted to recreate the painting: The number of the beast is 666   n3wt fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Aug 9, 2015 |
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Emerson Cod posted:Bedelia wasn't trying to kill him, she reached too far back into his throat and got her fingers caught in an involuntary swallow reflex. That's why she said that sometimes it's sometimes better to crush someone in need of help - it was a very obscufated pun. Look at her face in that scene. She may have been trying to help him when she put her hand in his mouth, but there's clearly a moment where she decides to turn him inside out.
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Gravitee posted:Bryan Fuller also said on Twitter last night that that quote is borrowed heavily from something Jodie Foster actually said. WTF Jodie Foster... Maybe she was talking about John Hinckley, Jr? 
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joedevola posted:Look at her face in that scene. She may have been trying to help him when she put her hand in his mouth, but there's clearly a moment where she decides to turn him inside out. There's a moment where she realizes that the tongue is in his esophagus and decides to put her hand in further, then another moment of shock when she feels the pull, but she was only ever trying to help him.
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Emerson Cod posted:There's a moment where she realizes that the tongue is in his esophagus and decides to put her hand in further, then another moment of shock when she feels the pull, but she was only ever trying to help him. Her role in the death of Quinto being a total accident is pretty at odds with what she is saying. I think she was trying to help him right up til the moment she said, "gently caress it, guy is better off dead anyway."
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I can't help but laugh every time Hulu tells me to check out The Following after an episode of Hannibal. It is a dumb and bad show where not once has anyone eaten a painting.
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Emerson Cod posted:There's a moment where she realizes that the tongue is in his esophagus and decides to put her hand in further, then another moment of shock when she feels the pull, but she was only ever trying to help him. I'm pretty sure you're confusing shock with euphoria. She looks nothing but excited when she starts to kill him.
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You guys are proposing a definite answer to something even the character is confused about.
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I don't think Bedelia is confused at all, though? She has been in control for quite some time. As she said, she was behind the veil with Hannibal the entire time that Will was in front of it. She doped herself to acquit her of Hannibal's crimes abroad, but she was there of her own volition, to explore her fascination and satisfy her curiosity.
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seizure later posted:I don't think Bedelia is confused at all, though? She has been in control for quite some time. As she said, she was behind the veil with Hannibal the entire time that Will was in front of it. She doped herself to acquit her of Hannibal's crimes abroad, but she was there of her own volition, to explore her fascination and satisfy her curiosity. By the time they ran off together, maybe -- although I don't think even that is as cut and dried as "she was in control the whole time" -- but her fear and uncertainty about what happened to her patient years ago is what let Hannibal influence her so strongly in the first place.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:I can't help but laugh every time Hulu tells me to check out The Following after an episode of Hannibal. It is a dumb and bad show where not once has anyone eaten a painting. Yeah, but the stab quota is met tenfold every episode.
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Bedelia tells Will that when she sees a bird on the ground struggling, her first instinct is to crush it. I think what we're seeing when her patient starts to choke is someone who's always secretly been waiting for the opportunity to indulge that instinct. So she knows that the patient has a history of almost choking on his own tongue, and that she can't be blamed for his death, and not only that, she can try to "help" him by sticking her arm down his throat and nobody will ever know that she never had any intention of helping him. Its the perfect crime. She's an "angel of death" type killer, if she were working in a hospital there'd be a rash of elderly/terminal patients dying of "natural causes". Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Aug 10, 2015 |
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Interestingly, the story Bedelia tells about waking up to the smell of fresh flowers is almost exactly what Miriam Lass tells Jack in the second season.
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"Angel of Death" killer is a perceptive fit. I think she's a high-functioning psychopathic personality - there are a lot of people who have a genetic profile or brain chemistry similar to psychopaths, but none-the-less are able to be productive and well-liked, moral members of society. They're not scheming villains, they just have a genetic predisposition towards a coldness or callousness and inability to empathize with other people, but they don't really have a drive to be aggressive or antisocial. What Hannibal was doing was trying to cultivate that drive by giving her a patient that would bring out the absolute worst in her. I think the idea was that Hannibal was going to cause Quinto to have a fatal collapse in front of her, and thereby give her the option to simply let him die. It wasn't that Hannibal expected Bedelia to kill him by fisting his mouth, Hannibal just wanted her to be presented with the patient's imminent death, and give her the option to standby and do nothing. A normal person would render aid and save a dying person, even if they disliked him. But Bedelia isn't normal. She wouldn't save the bird, she wouldn't even ignore the bird, she crushes it while it lies on the ground, helpless. n3wt posted:Adding that it's medically impossible to fist someone that far down their throat, there are vocal chords and other things in the way and the oesophagus and bronches are way too thin. If you can choke on a penny then there's no way a woman's fist however small is going down there. I think she imagined what happened in a way more vivid way than what actually occurred, possibly Hannibal induced that imagery there by making her remember the events differently. It bothers me a lot more that it's physically impossible to choke on your own tongue. Like, it just can't happen, it's an urban legend. Periodiko fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Aug 10, 2015 |
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Periodiko posted:It bothers me a lot more that it's physically impossible to choke on your own tongue. Like, it just can't happen, it's an urban legend. I think in this case its easier to accept because you can just think of it as a reference to Lecter and Miggs in Silence of the Lambs.
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Basebf555 posted:I think in this case its easier to accept because you can just think of it as a reference to Lecter and Miggs in Silence of the Lambs. We're never going to get to hear Mads Mikkelson antagonize Miggs.  And just think of what they'd do with a killer who co-opts transsexual identities and is obsessed with butterflies. God *dammit*.
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Xealot posted:We're never going to get to hear Mads Mikkelson antagonize Miggs. Look it's very important that Lifetime hold desperately on to the rights to that show they're never, ever going to make (or will at best make a lovely show about) - that's how we got the new Fantastic Four movie!
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Is that gum wrapper trick with the phone a reference to an actual thing? They do more or less the same thing in The Core and I just assumed it was nonsense like everything else in that movie.
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Is that gum wrapper trick with the phone a reference to an actual thing? They do more or less the same thing in The Core and I just assumed it was nonsense like everything else in that movie. I know in Manhunter, Hannibal used it at the base wires, causing it to hang up and dial the operator (the phone did not have touch tone buttons or a rotary). I assume with an analog telephone, it does not break suspension of disbelief for me, it may even be possible to do it IRL. I kind of miss that Mads did not use the gum. I guess stuffing the wrapper in the transmitter was supposed to muffle the sound of the voice and/or distort it enough to not be recognized.
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Also nice to see the preliminary design work for the show begins life as awful diagrams. I watched the last episode drunk out of my mind but enjoyed what I could remember. At the moment I prefer the first half of the season than this section as it was a little less straight forward, but I'm digging it anyway. I think it might work better watched back to back perhaps. Interesting to see how certain things from the books have been dropped and twisted and what that means for sequences later. Also Dolarhyde and Chilton look like they're related.
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EmmyOk posted:I am one of those people. It is my design, as well. Since we are well into red dragon already, I dont care as much as I did in the earlier seasons. In fact My attention is waning over the past few episodes. A little sad that the series is (to me) rather fizzling out. My level of care about any of the characters is pretty low at this point.
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I know Chilton's best lines have already been mined, but I was looking forward to more of him at this point.
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Fog Tripper posted:It is my design, as well. Since we are well into red dragon already, I dont care as much as I did in the earlier seasons. In fact My attention is waning over the past few episodes. A little sad that the series is (to me) rather fizzling out. My level of care about any of the characters is pretty low at this point. I feel the same, sadly. I can't even say why, it just feels like an obligation to watch and not something I'm looking forward to.
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This show will go down as one of my all-time favorites, without a doubt. But I have to agree that I'm not feeling quite as compelled this season as I was before, and I think its because we're in much more predictable territory now. I'm very familiar with the source material, and looking back I think the first two seasons really benefited from being set at a time that had been left vague by Harris. The Red Dragon story has been done twice already, so every scene of the show I'm thinking "Oh ok, here's the scene where he eats the painting." or "Ah, here's where Lecter calls Wills lawyers office". Of course maybe all that could be used to set up a major surprise if they divert from Red Dragon in an unexpected way, but so far that hasn't happened.
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6EQUJ5 6 7 posted:Look at all the bad opinions here. Yeah, the one thing I was looking forward to was Bryan Fuller's take on Red Dragon. All the other stuff has been amazing too, but I'm not suddenly tuning out just because I've seen the story done twice already (three times including the book). If anything I'm even more engaged since I've watched all of these characters evolve, and we have this whole rich backstory for Will and Hannibal.
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Richard Armitage's performance is extremely watchable imo. Also the show has established that it's willing to divert from the literature, so it's entirely possible that any scene could zig where the books/movies zagged, especially since the show is so fond of misdirection and shock.
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