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Republican Vampire
Jun 2, 2007


It's mentioned on sites like Hollywood Reporter and Den of Geek. Fuller's talked about not liking how the books treated Margot and wanting to rehabilitate her sexuality before.

Then again I haven't seen the episode yet so it could all be complete misdirection that I fell for like a chump.

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Noirex
May 30, 2006

What was that giant heart....thing at the end? Was it a skinned body or something?

The Duggler
Feb 20, 2011

I do not hear you, I do not see you, I will not let you get into the Duggler's head with your bring-downs.

I always have to watch Hannibal twice because it goes right over my head the first time

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Dat stealth Quinto.

Fantastic episode! I'll have to compose my thoughts when I'm at the computer, preferably aftet I catch up with the thread.

loving Anderson and Mikkelsen power hour up in this poo poo.

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

I thought it was a bad episode. Having not watched in a year I was pretty confused with all the jumping around in time. Especially because the Abe stuff was B&W but the Scully stuff was Color. Also the sound editing was a mess. A lot of the dialog was hard to discern. :/

Best part of ep, IMO:

Waltzing Along fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Jun 5, 2015

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

♪ Come with me, and you'll be, in a world of pure imagination. ♪

Waltzing Along posted:

Best part of ep, IMO:



Guy on Twitter told Bryan Fuller that this was "subtle" and Fuller responded in his wonderful all-caps way,"SUBTLE AS A BRICK! :haw:"

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
Missed that.. holy poo poo Fuller, you loving genius

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Noirex posted:

What was that giant heart....thing at the end? Was it a skinned body or something?

It was the guy Hannibal killed.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

West coast feed just ended and Hannibal the movie just started on Cinemax.

I feel it was very confusing for a reason. Last season started with the kitchen fight, so it wrapped around from beginning to end. The flashbacks in this episode were shown in a different aspect ratio than present day, but the Eddie Izzard scene which opened the episode was not only in the same aspect ratio, but it was also black and white, it breaks script from a scene we've already seen and lead into Hannibal addressing the audience, breaking the 4th wall, which the show has never done. I think the black and white Izzard scenes are in Hannibal's mind palace, where he can relive past dinner/conversations with said dinner. Why is he in his mind palace? The opening is him reflecting back on the season with his dinner guest.

Also, if you remember in Hannibal, they figure out he's in Italy via surveillance cameras at a really high end perfume store. Could be they're playing with the motif a little and may have someone recognize Bedelia in the cameras instead of Hannibal.

ruddiger fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Jun 5, 2015

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Waltzing Along posted:

Best part of ep, IMO:



God I want to watch Psycho right now. Or just Hannibal again.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




ruddiger posted:

West coast feed just ended and Hannibal the movie just started on Cinemax.

I feel it was very confusing for a reason. The flashbacks were shown in a different aspect ratio than present day, but the Eddie Izzard scene was not only in the same aspect ratio, but it was black and white, it breaks script from a scene we've already seen which leads into Hannibal addressing the audience, breaking the 4th wall. I think the black and white Izzard scenes are in Hannibal's mind palace, where he can relive past dinner/conversations with said dinner.

Also, if you remember in Hannibal, they figure out he's in Italy via surveillance cameras at a really high end perfume store. Could be they're playing with the motif a little and may have someone recognize Bedelia in the cameras instead of Hannibal.

I was wondering if that difference in flashback format may indeed be the beginnings of differentiating and introducing the mind palace.

Been looking forward to how Fuller portrays that the most, so I hope we're right and this means we're just diving into that.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

ruddiger posted:

I feel it was very confusing for a reason. Last season started with the kitchen fight, so it wrapped around from beginning to end. The flashbacks in this episode were shown in a different aspect ratio than present day, but the Eddie Izzard scene which opened the episode was not only in the same aspect ratio, but it was also black and white, it breaks script from a scene we've already seen and lead into Hannibal addressing the audience, breaking the 4th wall, which the show has never done. I think the black and white Izzard scenes are in Hannibal's mind palace, where he can relive past dinner/conversations with said dinner. Why is he in his mind palace? The opening is him reflecting back on the season with his dinner guest.

Wait what?

Noirex
May 30, 2006

FourLeaf posted:

It was the guy Hannibal killed.

I know who it is, just wondering what the hell they did to him. I'm guessing it's his skinned limbless torso now.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

FourLeaf posted:

Wait what?

When he goes into the whole "this is a fairytale" intro. I'm almost positive it starts out exactly like the dinner scene with Izzard that we saw last season, but the dialogue veers off course mid-conversation.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
I was most impressed with the origami heart hannibal made, that poo poo was tight.

Alikchi
Aug 18, 2010

Thumbs up I agree

The cinematography and art design and just basic loving beauty of this show is magical.

CeeJee
Dec 4, 2001
Oven Wrangler

Alikchi posted:

The cinematography and art design and just basic loving beauty of this show is magical.

And the sound. Those terrifying sound effects and background music.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo

CeeJee posted:

And the sound. Those terrifying sound effects and background music.

That score, especially when she was in the shop was amazing in 5.1, i had it cranked my floor was buzzing.

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008
Someone on twitter pointed out that the murder tableau, being a giant heart impaled on three crossed swords, is almost certainly is a reference to the tarot card the Three of Swords.



"This card depicts a pure piercing sorrow of the mind. The sorrow must be felt and experienced for closure and relief to come [...] one of the most negative cards in the entire deck."

"feeling heartbreak, being disappointed, receiving little solace, being separated, wandering far from home, finding your trust misplaced, getting stabbed in the back"

...god, Hannibal, you emo little bitch

MrFlibble
Nov 28, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Fallen Rib

showbiz_liz posted:

...god, Hannibal, you emo little bitch

Free-range rude, right here.

I don't disagree

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat

ruddiger posted:

When he goes into the whole "this is a fairytale" intro. I'm almost positive it starts out exactly like the dinner scene with Izzard that we saw last season, but the dialogue veers off course mid-conversation.

Nope, different dinner.

Previous dinner, Abel still had one leg. Dinner was Abel's left leg, served as roti de cuisse.

This time, it's Abel's right leg, served smoked on skewers with a glaze.

The skewers were hilarious. It was like Hannibal put party hats and little flags on Abel's leg so that it could go "ta-da!" when he lifted the lid.

Lemur Crisis
May 6, 2009

What will you do?
Where can you run?
I thought this episode was garbage personally.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
Lay off the :catdrugs: son.

You trippin.

Kampfbereit
Sep 6, 2011

FourLeaf posted:

I seriously need to figure out what instrument it is that popped up a few times, like in the wine scene... I think an organ, but sometimes it sounds electronic like a synthesizer?

Definitely an old electronic organ, if you mean the wine-buying scene when Bedelia wears her blue hat. It even has the electric rhythm section as she crosses the plaza and nods at the cop. Electric organs had like a built-in non-programmable drum machine with a dozen or so different pre-set rhythms (bossanova, waltz, disco etc), so you could be a one-man band.
Stereolab uses them a lot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxWp-bdw4Nk (Skip to 23:34)

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

♪ Come with me, and you'll be, in a world of pure imagination. ♪
This beautiful show :allears:







:stwoon:







Doc Fission
Sep 10, 2011




That dude's torso could not have possibly been this big. He was a skinny nerd.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
Goddamnit, I love this show. Never stop making new episodes, Bryan Fuller. Go to Netflix or pay cable if you have to.

Pinwiz11
Jan 26, 2009

L-O-V-E :love:

P-O-M :toot:

Jerusalem posted:

This beautiful show :allears:



I'm gay but :swoon:

I had tears and pearls-clutching going on all episode last night because this show is too beautiful to exist.

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Swillkitsch posted:

That dude's torso could not have possibly been this big. He was a skinny nerd.

I think Bedelia is half of that thing. A diptych, so to speak.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
Shut your whore mouth!

InfiniteZero
Sep 11, 2004

PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT

College Slice

showbiz_liz posted:

Someone on twitter pointed out that the murder tableau, being a giant heart impaled on three crossed swords, is almost certainly is a reference to the tarot card the Three of Swords.



More specifically, it's a reversed Three of Swords, which is supposed to symbolize a reconciliation/recovery after a time of trouble.



Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe

Waltzing Along posted:

I thought it was a bad episode. Having not watched in a year I was pretty confused with all the jumping around in time. Especially because the Abe stuff was B&W but the Scully stuff was Color. Also the sound editing was a mess. A lot of the dialog was hard to discern. :/


I've found that people who refer to actors by the name of a character they played over a decade ago often have bad opinions.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


Basebf555 posted:

I've found that people who refer to actors by the name of a character they played over a decade ago often have bad opinions.

To be fair, new X-Files is being filmed this month, so it's now back to "are currently playing". His opinion's still bad though.

Highly Unnecessary
Dec 24, 2009

Riled Shareef posted:

Hey, one question - what was up with Bedelia going to the shop and sitting at the train station with the security cameras? Is she in cahoots with the FBI!? Or was she just... fantasizing about leaving?

My first thought was Verger but after reading this thread I agree it seems far more likely that she was just leaving bread crumbs.

Deakul
Apr 2, 2012

PAM PA RAM

PAM PAM PARAAAAM!

Waltzing Along posted:

I thought it was a bad episode. Having not watched in a year I was pretty confused with all the jumping around in time. Especially because the Abe stuff was B&W but the Scully stuff was Color. Also the sound editing was a mess. A lot of the dialog was hard to discern. :/

Best part of ep, IMO:



drat dude, maybe you should have rewatched some episodes before hand? Because the episode was pretty loving great.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004

Grimey Drawer
That's the kind of premiere you make when you know your show is cancellation-proof daaaamn

matrocious
Feb 6, 2011
This show is unbelievably good and somehow keeps getting better.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!
Episode was not bad, not by any metric. We're just in Hannibal (the book/movie) territory and that story was the (second) worst out of Harris' books. The show will get a lot better in the second half I'm sure, but it's still not bad now.

Paradox Personified
Mar 15, 2010

:sun: SoroScrew :sun:

Jerusalem posted:

The episode in season 2 where Chilton's life fall apart to the extent that it sounds like even the loving soundtrack is making fun of him was glorious.

ZDar Fan posted:

I love that his subplot became a slapstick black comedy. This show goes in so many great directions.


Hahaha, oh my god, yes, thank you so much. :neckbeard:

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Brock Samson
May 13, 2003

I let you know me, see me. I gave you a rare gift, but you didn't want it.

The third season premiere of Hannibal earned a series low matching 0.7 adults 18-49 rating.


WE DID IT YOU GUYS!!

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