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13/f/cali posted:On the other hand, I am beginning to wonder if he's immortal or something. That guy doesn't have a good life and it usually seems to result from him lying and making serial killers angry with him for doing so. Chilton, realising he lived in an insane serial killer universe, wished for eternal life. One finger of the monkey's paw closed
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Book question: does the book heap a lot of guilt and blame on Will for putting Freddie in danger? Because holy poo poo my heart broke when Chilton blamed Will.
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Aug 21, 2015 20:17
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Chilton is that guy at the music store who everybody hates but he's there every day butting into conversations and shoving his opinion about whatever band at anyone who'll listen and most who won't. Nobody likes him but nobody can figure out how to get rid of him and he never ever ever goes away.
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Penultimate Bananibal. I'm just going to have to film my own footage of slow motion water drops aren't I  I hope this doesn't end with crazy Will killing Molly and freeing Hannibal. Or maybe that would be the best ending. aaaaaaaah they said hannibal loves will i cant handle Fuller must have said gently caress it, full on murder boner writing at this point Oh good, Francis put his undies back on There's no way this show ends (would have ended) with a happy normal Will. A FOOL      Quantifiably BITCHY. Chilton is really hurt Chilton is really digging where it hurts. Good for him. Freddy  This will be fun.Ugly, and impotent. Chilton is going to loving die isn't he Yeah he got in the photo. RIP Chilty. Chilton has to be thinking why does this always happen to me. Of course, its usually his own doing. Now his undoing  This is sad oh no she's gonna suck him off while chilty watches i dont think he's gonna let him gooooo oh FUUUUUCK ME THIS GUY AAAGGGH gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress ew he eated it??? Hannibal has a point, Alana knew what Chilty would do. Hey Will maybe you should get a normal loving psychologist if you want to keep from going insane!?? Oh great he landed in water, so he'll survive but be ever further horribly disfigured? oh fuuuuuuuuck he's barbecued FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK this is too much, fuller. tooooo much There is just no way there will be any kind of uplifting ending to the season.
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Steve Yun posted:Book question: does the book heap a lot of guilt and blame on Will for putting Freddie in danger? Because holy poo poo my heart broke when Chilton blamed Will. It is similar yes Will even wonders if he subconsciously placed his hand on Freddie's shoulder to make Freddie look like a target to Dolarhyde also that was really good probably the best adaptation of the DO YOU SEE scene from the books unfortunately this adaptation does not have my favorite part of that in it either (The bit where Dolarhyde waits until the last moment to show his face to Freddie/Chilton, just as he kicks him out on his wheelchair and sets him on fire, and Freddie's immediate 'ohshit he showed me his face' reaction admittedly that might just be hard to translate to screen DeafNote fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Aug 21, 2015 |
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Steve Yun posted:Book question: does the book heap a lot of guilt and blame on Will for putting Freddie in danger? Because holy poo poo my heart broke when Chilton blamed Will. Freddie says this (before Will gets to him, it gets recorded though and Will hears it): "Grahan set ne uh. The oval office knew it. Grahan set ne uh. oval office tut his hand on ne in the ticture like a hucking tet." He dies pretty much right after Will sees him, without ever regaining consciousness; then there's a scene, like in the show, where they ask "I don't mean to rub this in, but I want to know if we heard it the same way. What does it sound like to you?" and Will replies "'Graham set me up. The oval office knew it. Graham set 'me up. oval office put his hand on me in the picture like a loving pet."' Then Graham goes to his hotel room: "He had not eaten since breakfast on the plane from Washington and the thought of food repelled him. Rainy Wednesday was over at last. It was as bad a day as he could remember. With Lounds dead, it seemed likely that he was next and all day Chester had watched his back; while he was in Lounds's garage, while he stood in the rain on the scorched pavement where Lounds was burned. With strobe lights flashing in his face, he told the press he was "grieved at the loss of his friend Frederick Lounds." He was going to the funeral, too. So were a number of federal agents and police, in the hope that the killer would come to see Graham grieve. Actually he felt nothing he could name, just cold nausea and an occasional wave of sickly exhilaration that he had not burned to death instead of Lounds. It seemed to Graham that he had learned nothing in forty years: he had just gotten tired. He made a big martini and drank it while he undressed. He had another after his shower while he watched the news." Interlude where he talks to Molly, then: "The day was over and there was only the night to face, and the lipless voice accusing him." Several chapters later, there's the scene where they get the tape of him speaking to the camera, where, interestingly, another line from this episode also comes from: "Reach behind you, Will Graham . . . and feel for the small knobs on the top of your pelvis. Feel your spine between them . . . that is the precise spot . . . where the Dragon will snap your spine." Graham kept his hands on the railing. drat if I'll feel. And then Will gets a note from Hannibal, where he basically says the same things that Bedelia said in this episode. "A brief note of congratulations for the job you did on Mr. Lounds. I admired it enormously. What a cunning boy you are!" Will's feelings in response: "for a half-second he wondered if Lecter might be a little bit right in the case of Freddy Lounds. The enemy inside Graham agreed with any accusation. He had put his hand on Freddy's shoulder in the Tattler photograph to establish that he really had told Freddy those insulting things about the Dragon. Or had he wanted to put Freddy at risk, just a little? He wondered. The certain knowledge that he would not knowingly miss a chance at the Dragon reprieved him. "
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DeafNote posted:also that was really good I definitely have to agree, especially the way he climbed over the couch
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Watching now Is Hannibal my gay murder husbando, bedelia? e1: Oh no a trap went so badly the last season. G'wan Chilton though e2: Chilton is almost as teenage a girl as Hannibal, "you're such a bitch".  he thinks hannibal is his nemesise3: We are using you for this article chilton because you are a petty basic bitch e4: Glued to a chair was much less hosed up than I expected. Will Freddie C survive this seasons brutal up loving? e5: so disgustingly tense, is he going to snap his neck EmmyOk fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Aug 21, 2015 |
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Thanks DeafNote and showbiz_liz It's been a while since I've seen them and they're not on Netflix right now, so I got a question for people who saw the Manhunter and Red Dragon films recently: Freddie Lounds doesn't have any last words after the flaming wheelchair incident, right? In my memory, Freddy Lounds in the films was very unsympathetic and the films didn't linger on his death so it's kind of like the movies just shrug and say "oh well, that jerk Freddy's dead now, let's move on" I know Chilton's a bumbling idiot and all but being burned like that and having him accuse Will was incredibly sad, what a world of difference from the previous adaptations. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Aug 21, 2015 |
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So much naked man Even though there is nothing else in the room Hannibal still moved to the slot in an L shape instead of diagonal as if the table was there. Maybe a neat little indication of how he is imagining his mind palace. e: That smug "I ate it" face is incredible EmmyOk fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Aug 21, 2015 |
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Steve Yun posted:Freddie Lounds doesn't have any last words after the flaming wheelchair incident, right? In my memory, Freddy Lounds in the films was very unsympathetic and the films didn't linger on his death so it's kind of like the movies just shrug and say "oh well, that jerk Freddy's dead now, let's move on" If I remember correctly this was how it went down in the book Red Dragon. So Chilton threw the psychology magazine to Hannibal, he has paperclips now
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Steve Yun posted:Thanks DeafNote and showbiz_liz I haven't seen Manhunter but in the Red Dragon movie it's implied that Freddy died almost immediately after the burning wheelchair scene and he had no time to accuse Will of anything. You're absolutely right about the film just sort of wiping its hands like "welp" and I believe right after the part where they listen to the tape recording Red Dragon's Jack Crawford literally says something like, "we can let this get us down, or we can learn from it and use it to catch this guy." And then everyone proceeds to do just that. The TV version was far more poignant.
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Aug 21, 2015 23:48
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Yeah, Richard Armitage is absolutely killing it as Dolarhyde, the "DO YOU SEE!?!" scene was incredible.
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ThePutty posted:i feel like bryan fuller probably doesn't want to take much from manhunter like that so i'm assuming he won't It's a little late to not take much from Manhunter, the show has borrowed from it since the first season (and there's nothing wrong with that).
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Aug 22, 2015 00:52
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There needs to be a sad version of  for when Dolarhyde is feeling in the dumps.
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You know, I 100% do not believe this will happen, nor do I really think it would work, but if Fuller knew his rear end was cancelled and decided, you know what, gently caress it, let's just have Will and Hannibal literally make out in the final episode - well, you can't deny it would go down in finale history
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No no, he's saving that as a joke stretch goal on the Kickstarter. "Haha okay, if we hit 25 million dollars they'll make out haha!" 15 minutes later, the goal has been exceeded.
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Aug 22, 2015 06:59
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I'm not planning on doing a list of changes from the book story until after the final episode at this point, because last time some of them turned out to be mildly spoilery in terms of dialogue/events. So I'll wait until the series is over to do a final post on all that. It's already been covered, but Freddy Lounds in the book is far more sympathetic than either movie has allowed for, mostly because we follow him for a chapter and learn about his backstory and life with his girlfriend (both of whom seem to honestly care about each other). His taunt/death scene is heartbreaking as a result, and I'm glad the show managed to make it just as awful to watch. Poor Chilton One more episode. Finlands Sexiest posted:If I remember correctly this was how it went down in the book Red Dragon. Did it have paperclips? At the least it probably has staples. I didn't even catch that. The finale is going to be insane. All that I want is for Will to punch Hannibal right in the face, at least once. Is that too much to ask? Or Molly. I'm ok with her punching him too.
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Looking forward to this post!
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Wiggy Marie posted:Did it have paperclips? At the least it probably has staples. Oh man, I meant staples but my stupid head. poo poo.
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EmmyOk posted:Looking forward to this post! Sorry about the wait, I abruptly realized that I hadn't let you guys know why I was being so quiet :P Deafnote and showbiz_liz have covered a few of the changes pretty well already so I'll try not to retread, but I get pretty excitable while writing those posts so I'll probably repeat what they've said! Finlands Sexiest posted:Oh man, I meant staples but my stupid head. poo poo. Either way I didn't even catch it! You still get a point.
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I've been completely on board for these last few episodes. I'm so sad we will likely never get a season 4.I laughed out loud when Hannibal slurped up Chilton's lip. There was something so childish and petty about the move, and it was especially interesting as it comes from a character who has such a grandiose perception of himself. The look he gave Alana as he ate the lip was like a petulant child quickly shoving a whole cookie into his mouth after his mother tells him he can't have any before supper.  Actually, ever since Hannibal's been captured, I get the sense that Mads has been playing him as a naughty child who has been put in time out. It's almost endearing. Yesterdays Piss fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Aug 22, 2015 |
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Aug 22, 2015 17:02
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Chilton inadvertently giving Hannibal the means to escape seems like decent payback for Will engineering Chilton's latest, worst mutilation.
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The Northern Psychiatry Journal is the means to Hannibal's freedom both figuratively and literally.
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That cut to fool LOL Chilton and Hannibal's bitchfest was awesome. Hannibal is having SO much fun this episode. "I set up your insanity defense to save you and you go screw me over?" "Well it *was* bullshit and you suck" //tunes Chilton out while thinking about the staples he was just handed// Then still utterly gleeful while in a straightjacket. I wish Jack or Alana punched him. Um why does D have women's pantyliners? Love the moment D decides to burn him based on Chilton's fear of burns. "Burn, burn? Burn! Hmm" Esparza acting his rear end off for those scenes. Armitage too, face hidden and yet so expressive. I feel like Will is taking way too much blame on himself for what happened to Chilton (dude had bodyguards!), mostly pushed by Bedelia (WTF is wrong with him: talking about anything but Hannibal with that nutjob?) and that's going to lead to some really dumb decisions. Will's not psychic, he put his arm on Chilton for authenticity, how's he supposed to know that means "my pet Chilton" to D? So he didn't like him but he never wanted him to get hurt like that. Hannibal is still messing with Will via Bedelia, even if she's only doing what she feels might please him (Will's becoming) or to make herself feel less dirty. SHE's his agent in the world. "That's Participation" You wish! You're not kindred spirits, Bedelia. Don't try and imprint on him that he subconciously wanted Chilton hurt when he was just writhing around on the floor agonizing in sympathy for the guy losing his lips a few hours ago! Implying that victims and bystanders have some sort of control over abusers when abusers make their own drat choices is WRONG and downright terrible counselling. It's like telling a kid that he might have deliberately set off Daddy's anger to hit Mommy because dinner was burned and tasted bad and Mommy scoulded him about his grades last night. Holy moly, she's a messed up shrink! Not to mention that "the dragon" is not making any kind of rational decisions here, he's psychotic, you may find patterns but logic?! Psychiatry 101: don't expect someone in the throws of psychosis to make any sense, even to themselves. You poke the dragon you have no idea how he'll lash out. It was a wild gamble that he didn't go kill another family and write "Impotent? Incest? Really Will?" in blood on the walls. Bedelia's just playing mind games with a vunerable Will at this point because she must know the dragon is unpredictable (though she did fool herself into thinking she had Hannibal on a leash) and she knows Will's guilt is misplaced. Instead she's at it again: hinting that he's evil and enjoys playing people puppets like his husbando. A good therapist would: 1- Take the blame away, encourage Will to use his feelings as fuel to work harder at catching the dragon, 2- Have him visit Chilton again, explain how bad yet relieved he feels that it was Chilton not him that got hurt, explain how he feels everything he does viscerally due to his "gift", not that it means anything but it might help Chilton to know that Will felt it like he was there. Promise to fight for justice for him. Promise that a capture will be credited at least in part to Chilton so if he dies his last act will have been helping take down the dragon and it'll be the big feature in his obituary. 3- Work on a psych + personal profile for the dragon, include Chilton in the process as he's met the guy in dragon mode. He might be a hack but he's still useful. 4- Insist on no more Hannibal. He might know things but he's so much more danger than he's worth. Notice how Bedelia does 0 of those things? [/spoiler] Chilton has every right to be mad but his blame is misplaced: He and Lounds should have been under surveillance too. Even then, his bodyguards were taken out with headshots, this wasn't amateur hour. Even Will implies to Jack that Chilton should of had SWAT with snipers. Um how about blaming the serial killer? Why weren't Chilton's words "muscleman, massive dragon tattoo, different teeth for bite, blind black gf, old school slide show, day off sick, called D, gently caress you Will you set me up, gently caress you Jack no SWAT, and you didn't even bring flowers: assholes"? He saw an awful lot more than just Reba... then again he was on some kind of muscle relaxant drug from D (I think that's why he was articulating so hard with no contractions, reminds me of an MS episode: you try and make the words as solid and concise as possible) and in hospital, he will have been on misc drugs to enhance the morphine for any of the more superficial burns - when you're charred black, you don't feel anymore. yup. His prognosis is not good. Still he has so much information: a guy called D who's mugshot he can refine, very muscular, has the Blake dragon tattooed on his back, called in sick today, has a love interest/collegue who's black and blind, lives in a house that has old time deco/furniture and uses old school slides and film, documents his kills via film, had a wheelchair on hand, uses religious allegory, thinks he's more than human now, also thinks he's saner than ever. Why isn't Jack all over him? n3wt fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Aug 23, 2015 |
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I'm fine with the visual aspect of this adaptation of Red Dragon, and the casting and acting is fine on the part of Rutina Wesley and Richard Armitage, but I kind of feel like Bryan Fuller's taking the material for granted. We're getting none of the investigation of the Red Dragon murders, nobody's really finding "clues" of any kind and there's hardly any of Will's profiling outside of that first scene in the Leeds' house. All we're seeing is a series of disconnected events, and I guess that Dollarhyde is going to be caught by the FBI tracking down Reba somehow? I mean the season/series finale is coming up and it doesn't even look like the FBI has a clue or is ready to make a move on Dollarhyde at all.
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What if Dolarhyde's not dealt with this season? Think about it. Richard Armitage's been wonderful in the role, Bryan Fuller doesn't care about canon, and the finale wasn't written as a finale. Maybe he escapes whatever trap Will tries to set, or he's imprisoned in Hannibal's place.
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Mameluke posted:What if Dolarhyde's not dealt with this season? Think about it. Richard Armitage's been wonderful in the role, Bryan Fuller doesn't care about canon, and the finale wasn't written as a finale. Maybe he escapes whatever trap Will tries to set, or he's imprisoned in Hannibal's place. That would really suck. As someone who didn't really enjoy this show that much for awhile, I have to say they've been doing Red Dragon really well and I love what they're doing with the character, so I'd be pretty disappointed we wouldn't get to see it wrap up properly.
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King Vidiot posted:I'm fine with the visual aspect of this adaptation of Red Dragon, and the casting and acting is fine on the part of Rutina Wesley and Richard Armitage, but I kind of feel like Bryan Fuller's taking the material for granted. We're getting none of the investigation of the Red Dragon murders, nobody's really finding "clues" of any kind and there's hardly any of Will's profiling outside of that first scene in the Leeds' house. I think it makes sense though. The series is all about the relationship between Hannibal and Will, and for most of first two seasons the killer-of-the-week's function in the story was to illuminate different aspects of their relationship. Because of this show continuing to focus on Will/Hannibal, the Red Dragon is really there as a chess piece in their game. Maybe it's not true to the book, but it's being true to itself and what kind of show it's been for the last 3 seasons.
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This is like the best fanfic ever I don't know what people keep complaining about 
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gently caress you, NBC. Preempting Hannibal for the iggles preseason finale.
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So I've tuned in to the last few minutes of Aquarius twice now. The first time, it was a scene of a man and woman arguing, then the dude knocked out the chick and invited a bunch of other dudes in to rape her while she was unconcious. Today, I tune in and a dude is stabbing a woman repeatedly with a shovel in the trunk of a car. What the gently caress is this show. I will miss your contextualized, non-gendered violence, Hannibal.
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Aug 23, 2015 02:00
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We got preempted for loving preseason football.
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MrAristocrates posted:We got preempted for loving preseason football.  Even the Hall of Fame game got higher ratings than the Stanley Cup final this year. "Quantifiably bitchy!" Oh Chilton 
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Ha, Chilton's smug face.
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TattleCrime!
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Parasol Prophet posted:Ha, Chilton's smug face. Not so smug now.
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MrAristocrates posted:We got preempted for loving preseason football. You know, I didn't hate NBC for their decisions, because they did let the show exist in the first place, but this is just petty.
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