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qbert posted:My interpretation of the very last moment: Agreed on that. A number of ways next season could have gone, even depending on which cast members they could/couldn't have gotten back
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el oso posted:I do wonder if the post-credit stinger was always their planned end to the season or if they added it in after news of the cancellation. Considering it was always planned to go longer but would have a satisfying ending if it was the end, the former. Bedelia finally gets what she deserves, and at the hands of both of her longest patients, and is out next season/the movie. Chris James 2 fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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Aug 28, 2015 15:26
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I didn't make this so please don't hate me much more
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Aug 28, 2015 15:27
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I love how Will copied Hannibal's Fatality from the end of season 2 and this time it actually worked.
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Aug 28, 2015 16:35
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Amazing finale
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Aug 28, 2015 16:44
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I thought the finale was bad. It reminded me of Mass Effect 3s ending. Not bad to that degree but still senseless.
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Aug 28, 2015 16:49
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Yeah it really killed it for me when Alana's kid turned up and said Will had to push the red button to kill everyone in the world or the green button to turn them all into Hannibals, what the hell were they thinking?
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Aug 28, 2015 16:57
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Yeah it really killed it for me when Alana's kid turned up and said Will had to push the red button to kill everyone in the world or the green button to turn them all into Hannibals, what the hell were they thinking? Now all I can think of is Being John Malkovich, but with Hannibal.
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Aug 28, 2015 17:21
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This finale is a brilliant reversal of the Season 2 ending. Hannibal got his small moral victory by getting Will to be his murder husband, and Will got the big victory by taking Hannibal to the grave with him. They both won in a way and they both lost in a way, except this time they both got the victory that was more important to them.Waltzing Along posted:I thought the finale was bad. It reminded me of Mass Effect 3s ending. Not bad to that degree but still senseless. Maybe if you had better references to draw on like the death of Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty in the novels or the Exorcist ending, or hell, even the ending of Alien3, this would have made more sense to you. ****** This is it. It's the Perfect Ending™. I don't want a season 4. I don't want a movie. They would actually diminish how perfect this ending is. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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Aug 28, 2015 17:29
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Steve Yun posted:This finale is a brilliant reversal of the Season 2 ending. Hannibal got his small moral victory by getting Will to be his murder husband, and Will got the big victory by taking Hannibal to the grave with him. They both won in a way and they both lost in a way, except this time they both got the victory that was more important to them. Agreed. After filming that ending it's kinda strange they'd even want a fourth season, why undercut such a satisfying conclusion by having them survive a certain death scenario which tied up their character arcs perfectly?
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Aug 28, 2015 17:58
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Steve Yun posted:This is it. It's the Perfect Ending™. I don't want a season 4. I don't want a movie. They would actually diminish how perfect this ending is. I really agree that this is a completely satisfying and amazing ending. I kind of want to know how they would have continued it, and if they find a way to someday I'll definitely watch, but if this is all there ever is, that's just fine.
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Steve Yun posted:This is it. It's the Perfect Ending™. I don't want a season 4. I don't want a movie. They would actually diminish how perfect this ending is.  I thought Fuller said the ending would make us regret not having another season, not leave behind a satisfying conclusion.
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Aug 28, 2015 18:05
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My problem is that the show, for the most part, made sense up until the finale. But all of the sudden the FBI acts like morons, Will has a heel turn, and Bedelia becomes a chef. poo poo, Will is not even consistent from his stand 10 minutes earlier. These things are not consistent. Hence: bad ending.
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Aug 28, 2015 18:09
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Waltzing Along posted:My problem is that the show, for the most part, made sense up until the finale. But all of the sudden the FBI acts like morons, Will has a heel turn, and Bedelia becomes a chef. poo poo, Will is not even consistent from his stand 10 minutes earlier. If you think Will's "heel turn" happened in the finale I'd argue you haven't been paying much attention to, say... last week's episode.
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Aug 28, 2015 18:11
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Also it was, like, the main story of a lot of season 1.
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Aug 28, 2015 18:14
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Waltzing Along posted:My problem is that the show, for the most part, made sense up until the finale. But all of the sudden the FBI acts like morons, Will has a heel turn, and Bedelia becomes a chef. poo poo, Will is not even consistent from his stand 10 minutes earlier. The FBI have never been competent in this show. Will realised he's still got a really callous, nasty streak in him still and hasn't really left Hannibal behind after getting Chilton horrifically disfigured. Bedelia is an awful person and ironically ended up punishing herself by cutting off and elaborately cooking her leg for no reason, the exact details of how she did so have never been a focus for the series and really is missing the point.
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Aug 28, 2015 18:17
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My understanding of what was going on in Will's head in the ending: Will realized he has a murdery streak inside him. It's what made him use Chilton as bait. It's what made him use Hannibal as bait. The ending is Will admitting that this is a part of himself. At the same time, Will hates this side of himself. He hates his evil side. Admitting that he has an evil side is not the same as embracing his evil side. In the same way that Francis Dolarhyde was battling with his own evil inner self, Will was also battling with his evil side. He also hates the corrupting influence that Hannibal has. He hates this part of himself that he acknowledges exists. Better end it all and save Margot, Alana's baby and the rest of the world from Hannibal and himself. When Will put his arm around Hannibal to embrace him, it was a fakeout. He was making it look like he was hugging Hannibal and embracing his inner murderer, but it was actually Will getting a good hold on Hannibal so that he could drag him down the cliff with him. The fact that they managed that twist in the last 5 seconds of the episode is wonderful.
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Aug 28, 2015 18:37
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Ending was good. Season was good. Show was good. I'd still go for a movie; it'd be better if it was set during the series or a time elapse.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:22
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Steve Yun posted:This finale is a brilliant reversal of the Season 2 ending. Hannibal got his small moral victory by getting Will to be his murder husband, and Will got the big victory by taking Hannibal to the grave with him. They both won in a way and they both lost in a way, except this time they both got the victory that was more important to them. The ending reminds me particularly of the 2nd Guy Richie Sherlock Holmes movie where they do a very similar scene with an almost exact same motivation (Holmes can try to live, but Moriarty will kill him, so he deprives Moriarty of the victory by mutual death). I could buy that Hannibal or Will survived, just as Holmes survived his tumble over Reichenbach Falls, but I choose not to. It's a great ending, Jack is proved again to be incompetent. He cares little for Will's emotional well being and takes risks that don't pay off, and now has to go and tell Molly why Will is dead. Alana is smart enough to GTFO and not wait for Hannibal to come after her and her family. Bedelia, I think she will have a lot of leftovers.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:24
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Did Will actually kind of burn Jack, by talking him into the plan that'll probably be the final nail in his career's coffin?
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Aug 28, 2015 19:26
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Chilton was a bumbling know-nothing idiot until the cosmic horror of the universe's cruelty opened his eyes, and now he's become some frightening prophet of horrible truths. Alana: I wanted to see you, Frederick. I wanted to remind myself what Hannibal is capable of. Chilton: What Hannibal is capable of. What Will Graham is capable of. What you are capable of. ***** On a subtext level, Will can't go back home to his wife and kid because he realized he really is sorta gay. So he commits suicide. That's pretty dark. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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Aug 28, 2015 19:35
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How is the ending, haven't watched it yet. The loss for me this season so far is that they couldn't top Red Dragon's blind girl and Dolarhyde.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:48
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For me at least it's simultaneously incredibly satisfying and....the opposite of that. If this has to be the end it's more than satisfying but.....I really really want more.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:50
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For someone who made a career about showing how they escaped Hannibal's influence, Bedelia really screwed herself on this one.
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Mameluke posted:For someone who made a career about showing how they escaped Hannibal's influence, Bedelia really screwed herself on this one. I like her last insult to Will. You righteous, reckless, twitchy little man.
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Aug 28, 2015 20:25
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Could not stand that final song. Sorry show, but that was way too goth emo for me. Otherwise enjoyed the ride. I'll be working on the promised long post later. Also Brock Samson, you went easy on us. There's so much worse out there. So much worse.
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Aug 28, 2015 20:57
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I agree the song was weak. That season 2 finale was one of the most intense things I've ever witnessed on TV. I guess they couldn't really do something like that again this time around but I guess all in all was good. As someone posted before, until the last 5 it was kinda unfulfilling but then it all sorta came together at the end. I was hoping for a big serial killer vs serial killer badass showdown but that's just the simpleton in me. If you're upset about it being cancelled, just remember that American dad is in its 12th season. Big Brother 17 is starting soon. Storage wars is on season 8. There is no room on television for good TV.
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Aug 28, 2015 21:18
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What is wrong with you people the song was awesome, it was a very Apocalypse Now moment
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Aug 28, 2015 21:23
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In addition to being glad this is the end because it was perfect in every way (regardless of how you interpret it, because apparently I'm the only one seeing them being planned to live and it being a fakeout and they're about to eat Bedelia in season 4 but then the show got cancelled), I'm glad this is the end because if it continued the trend of things getting gayer as the show goes on, the season 4 finale would have been NC17 and not aired on TV at all
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Aug 28, 2015 21:26
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I really liked the song. It felt like when you're watching a really good movie at the cinema, all movie long it's been good instrumental movie-music, then the credits start rolling while a "normal" song plays and you/i get this overwhelming sense of "wow, it's really ending" and the lights come on. It helped sell the finality of it all to me at least. Plus i really like moody music.
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I'm not sold on the fakeout simply because who was the intended audience? Either way they just disappear. I'm sure for a movie/next season Hannibal at least survives just fine. I'm most sad about how little of Molly we saw. Wiggy Marie fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Aug 29, 2015 |
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Aug 28, 2015 21:31
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Wiggy Marie posted:I'm not sold on the fakeout simply because who was the intended audience? I'm assuming he means the TV watching audience BTW you should probably spoiler tag that
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Aug 28, 2015 21:48
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I know the show's on the budget and all but I think Bedelia's dinner table was the same one Hannibal had in Florence. Also her dining room was just her office with different window dressing, haha
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Aug 28, 2015 22:02
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I am ok with this being the ending for the show. Hell, the season 2 ending would've been fine(and a lot more hilarious).
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Steve Yun posted:I'm assuming he means the TV watching audience Fakeouts happen all the time in television and especially this show, my assumption is at least one of their clothes would wash up somewhere, fingerprints would be identified, and they'd be assumed dead at sea somewhere so Jack wouldn't spend another eternity looking for escaped murderer and his lover. And I've already explained my thoughts about the Bedelia situation. It just seems less storyline-crazy to me than "Bedelia successfully gives self enough drugs that she isn't long-term affected by cutting off own leg, then cuts off own leg, then separates it into even sections and successfully puts it and 2 other place settings on the table without passing out or needing help", and less reality-crazy to me than "ending filmed with season 4 in mind is altered in any way with nobody reading about it after cancellation that happened a month into the season, 2 months ago, while Gillian was busy getting ready for and doing X-Files stuff"
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Chris James 2 posted:It just seems less storyline-crazy to me than "Bedelia successfully gives self enough drugs that she isn't long-term affected by cutting off own leg, then cuts off own leg, then separates it into even sections and successfully puts it and 2 other place settings on the table without passing out or needing help" That wouldn't even be the craziest thing that has happened on the show so 
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Aug 28, 2015 22:51
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Crazy is what this show's all about though. Realism has never been the measuring stick for this show's quality.
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Aug 28, 2015 22:51
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Plus we know that Bedelia's a fiend, so I can see her sedating herself.
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I remember hearing Fuller had a pretty crazy, unexpected direction for season 4 if the show was renewed. Has he said what that was going to be or is that going to come out after tomorrow night?
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