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mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

Honestly I wasn't even that surprised by Bedelia's leg roast because I was more dsitracted by the :sonia:. I'm definitey not complaining but whoa.

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Dongattack
Dec 20, 2006

by Cyrano4747

mobby_6kl posted:

Honestly I wasn't even that surprised by Bedelia's leg roast because I was more dsitracted by the :sonia:. I'm definitey not complaining but whoa.

Gillian Anderson has NO RIGHT to still be this hot. Since i first laid my grubby eyes on her i have been: a teen, finished school, a young adult, gone to uni, finished uni, become fat and horrible. SHES JUST BEEN HOT AND GETTING HOTTER

THE ENTIRE TIME

WHAT THE gently caress

Wiggy Marie
Jan 16, 2006

Meep!

Steve Yun posted:

I'm assuming he means the TV watching audience

BTW you should probably spoiler tag that

Ah yeah, thanks! I've actually made a point of watching this entire season spoiler-free, which includes totally avoiding this thread until I've seen the episode, so it didn't even occur to me.

MichaelFlatley
Nov 10, 2002


“I think that should that be our farewell, it would be a fitting one,” Dancy told TV Line. “But you could’ve said the same thing about the end of the first season and the end of the second season. Bryan has described to me what he had envisioned moving forward into the next season which would be justified by the way we end this year. But it’ll be a big splash.”



Well played, Hugh Dancy.

SmokaDustbowl
Feb 12, 2001

by vyelkin
Fun Shoe
man that was so good, the wings were fuckin awesome

HIJK
Nov 25, 2012
in the room where you sleep

Sub Rosa
Jun 9, 2010




HIJK posted:

I'm convinced that Will and Hannibal are still alive and that they're planning to eat Bedelia as part of consummating their murder marriage.

Obviously. How anyone thinks Bedelia cooked herself is beyond me.

Steve Yun posted:

My understanding of what was going on in Will's head in the ending:

Will realized he has a murdery streak inside him. It's what made him use Chilton as bait. It's what made him use Hannibal as bait. The ending is Will admitting that this is a part of himself. At the same time, Will hates this side of himself. He hates his evil side. Admitting that he has an evil side is not the same as embracing his evil side.

In the same way that Francis Dolarhyde was battling with his own evil inner self, Will was also battling with his evil side.

He also hates the corrupting influence that Hannibal has. He hates this part of himself that he acknowledges exists. Better end it all and save Margot, Alana's baby and the rest of the world from Hannibal and himself.

When Will put his arm around Hannibal to embrace him, it was a fakeout. He was making it look like he was hugging Hannibal and embracing his inner murderer, but it was actually Will getting a good hold on Hannibal so that he could drag him down the cliff with him.

The fact that they managed that twist in the last 5 seconds of the episode is wonderful.


This is pretty spot on as well. That conflict between Will never ends. Both obviously would survive to the next season if the show had continued. And we have two empty seats at the Obviously Chef is Hannibal dinner table at the end, showing we now have Murder Husbands.

SmokaDustbowl
Feb 12, 2001

by vyelkin
Fun Shoe

Sub Rosa posted:

Obviously. How anyone thinks Bedelia cooked herself is beyond me.

she looked really doped up too

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

mortons stork posted:

Of course Hannibal had to win again. ugh. I feel sorry for Jack, honestly, he's spent 3 seasons being played like Hannibal's personal harpsichord and now even by Will + the guy they're supposed to catch. I sincerely hoped that the Hannibal punch-out clockwork orange style would be a metaphor for the season, seeing him slowly beaten down and his façade of invincibility demolished, but nope, showrunners really have a hard-on for their mary sue invincible cannibal killer.

Don't get me wrong: it's phenomenal television that I enjoyed watching start to finish, it's a pretty good ending, but I guess they went exactly the opposite direction than I'd liked them to, thematically speaking.

My pet theory is that Thomas Harris based Hannibal on Doc Savage, the pulp hero from the 1930s. The resemblance is too perfect, right down to strangely-coloured eyes and an unbelievably-honed sense of smell and taste, traits Savage also exhibited.

Hannibal is essentially a supervillain who is impossibly good at stuff. Especially in the novels, where he is depicted as a man in his 60s who has spent years in prison, but who nonetheless is as dangerous as a wild beast with his bare hands.

codo27 posted:

I agree the song was weak.

Steve Yun posted:

What is wrong with you people the song was awesome, it was a very Apocalypse Now moment
They picked the wrong Siouxsie song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1KCJo3Ty-0

Someones in cold storage
Seeking Heinz main-courses
Craving for a raw love
He'll hide you from the cleaver
He'll hang with you forever
Longing for a fresh meat

By hook or by crook
You'll be 1st in his book
For an impaled affair
By hook or by crook
You'll be last in his book
Of flesh oh so rare

Be a carcass, be a dead pork
Be limblessly in love, be limblessly in love
Be limblessly in love, limblessly in love
Be a carcass, be a dead pork
Be limblessly in love, be limblessly in love
Be limblessly in love, limblessly in love

el oso
Feb 18, 2005

phew, for a minute there i lost myself
I just watched Mizumono again to see how it compared to the series finale. It was interesting to note some parallels between it and the finale:

- Jack once again greenlighting an insane trap to catch the killer. After the last time, how the hell would he get the clearance to try this again?
- Hannibal and Will's conversation about changing each other vs Dolarhyde wanting to change Hannibal
- The imago discussion paralleling Dolarhyde's final stage of becoming
- Hannibal gutting Will, Will gutting Dolarhyde; Hannibal cutting Abigail's throat, Hannibal ripping out Dolarhyde's throat


I'm sure there's more as well. Loved the finale but it doesn't quite come close to the level of Mizumono, which is absolutely the apex of this series.

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

SmokaDustbowl posted:

she looked really doped up too



The shot ends with the lyric "I will survive" and shes holding a fork under the table... Really people...

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


I replayed that last scene muted with Karliene's "Become The Beast" and actually thought it was more perfect, right down to going the exact same length and having perfect expressions/camera shots in time with character-specific lyrics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmVzeriU5m0

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008

by Smythe
It is just getting sillier and sillier. If NBC was able to see the last few EPs before making their decision to cancel, I can almost understand the show getting the hook.

I am compelled to watch to the end at this point, but not because it is as good as the first 2 seasons. Kind of bummed I see it as I do, but it is what it is.

^burtle
Jul 17, 2001

God of Boomin'



That finale has more balls than the Celtics locker room.

Aardark
Aug 5, 2004

by Lowtax
wow this show really went off the rails in the last season. i saw hannibal and will teaming up and fighting an actual dragon and then making out??

TheRationalRedditor
Jul 17, 2000

WHO ABUSED HIM. WHO ABUSED THE BOY.

Halloween Jack posted:

They picked the wrong Siouxsie song.


Be a carcass, be a dead pork
Be limblessly in love, be limblessly in love
Be limblessly in love, limblessly in love
Be a carcass, be a dead pork
Be limblessly in love, be limblessly in love
Be limblessly in love, limblessly in love
I don't think they "picked" anything, the credit suggested it was an original composition.

"Carcass" is kind of on the nose, but was certainly campy enough for the Verger arc!

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004

Grimey Drawer
I wonder if thinking season 1 is better than season 3 is the closest the world has ever come to an actual objectively wrong opinion

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Not really

Botnit
Jun 12, 2015

Bad, dumb ending to a bad, dumb show and :laffo: at goons seriously interpreting whether they lived or not with the "shocking" Bedelia ending and a whiny, annoying emo song screaming I WIIIIILL SURVIIIIIIVE.

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004

Botnit posted:

Bad, dumb ending to a bad, dumb show and :laffo: at goons seriously interpreting whether they lived or not with the "shocking" Bedelia ending and a whiny, annoying emo song screaming I WIIIIILL SURVIIIIIIVE.

That's a great hot take.

Next caller, you're on the air

Dongattack
Dec 20, 2006

by Cyrano4747

aBagorn posted:

That's a great hot take.

Next caller, you're on the air

hello i would like to order 3 dominos pizzas please

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

Botnit posted:

Bad, dumb ending to a bad, dumb show and :laffo: at goons seriously interpreting whether they lived or not with the "shocking" Bedelia ending and a whiny, annoying emo song screaming I WIIIIILL SURVIIIIIIVE.

You just flipped my whole worldview upside down, inside out, and then bodyslammed it off a cliff in a homoerotic embrace.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


People thinking True Detective season 2 was art saying this season and finale was bad would be the most hilarious thing all year if this year didn't already have Donald Trump trying to make himself look presentable while running for president of a country

Paradox Personified
Mar 15, 2010

:sun: SoroScrew :sun:
I don't know why my brain went to "well, if they didn't survive, maybe she got a taste for human flesh and wants to eat her own leg." I don't know, I didn't even try for that.

She was looking so drat doped up, with the Starling dress and the heavy breathing, just like Moore's portrayal post-Hannibal-jail-escape. I like it. Fuller does the allusions very well; sometimes subtle, sometimes word-for-word.

I think I like the finale.. Oh, if only it weren't canceled.

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Although, come to think of it, Hannibal never actually fed her people. The veal at the end of season 1 wasn't Abigail, and she got fattened all through Italy.

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

I rolled my eyes at most of this show but god drat if that wasn't one of the best series finales for a television program that I've ever seen. Absolutely awesome development of characters into an incredible finish. I think one of the reasons it was so great for me was because I thought they were going to do some stupid bullshit where they were going to pull out another season on us and Will/Hannibal were going to run off together. Just a great piece of television all around.

Paradox Personified
Mar 15, 2010

:sun: SoroScrew :sun:

Mameluke posted:

Although, come to think of it, Hannibal never actually fed her people. The veal at the end of season 1 wasn't Abigail, and she got fattened all through Italy.

Why did I think she was fed people once or twice in Italy? drat I need to go through and rewatch some more.

Botnit
Jun 12, 2015

I'm mostly just giving a hard time to the more egregious poo poo posters who 'analyze' every little thing about this extremely mediocre show then don't see something that wasn't even particularly subtle to begin with.

First the show has a running theme of lazy writing where if you don't see the person die on camera they're usually not dead. Abigail, Freddie, etc. Jesus gently caress there was even a fakeout death in the very final episode with Tooth Fairy. Then you literally have a song that doesn't stop droning on and on about I WILLLLL SUUUURVIIIIIIIIIVE the whole time they're going over the cliff that we conveniently don't see bodies of, then you have Bedelia getting chopped up and some of you were seriously thinking it was "open to interpretation".

Goons are the absolute worst.

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






Botnit posted:

I'm mostly just giving a hard time to the more egregious poo poo posters who 'analyze' every little thing about this extremely mediocre show then don't see something that wasn't even particularly subtle to begin with.

First the show has a running theme of lazy writing where if you don't see the person die on camera they're usually not dead. Abigail, Freddie, etc. Jesus gently caress there was even a fakeout death in the very final episode with Tooth Fairy. Then you literally have a song that doesn't stop droning on and on about I WILLLLL SUUUURVIIIIIIIIIVE the whole time they're going over the cliff that we conveniently don't see bodies of, then you have Bedelia getting chopped up and some of you were seriously thinking it was "open to interpretation".

Goons are the absolute worst.
Disagree. Show owns. And your post is full of lazy writing.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Botnit posted:

I'm mostly just giving a hard time to the more egregious poo poo posters who 'analyze' every little thing about this extremely mediocre show then don't see something that wasn't even particularly subtle to begin with.

First the show has a running theme of lazy writing where if you don't see the person die on camera they're usually not dead. Abigail, Freddie, etc. Jesus gently caress there was even a fakeout death in the very final episode with Tooth Fairy. Then you literally have a song that doesn't stop droning on and on about I WILLLLL SUUUURVIIIIIIIIIVE the whole time they're going over the cliff that we conveniently don't see bodies of, then you have Bedelia getting chopped up and some of you were seriously thinking it was "open to interpretation".

Goons are the absolute worst.

:ironicat:

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008
Oh, the song was plain bad, and Jack and Alana are too dumb to exist, but overall I'm still satisfied.

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008
Also, of course, it's not "goons" who have been championing this show - pretty much every TV reviewer loving loves this show, even while acknowledging the parts that don't work so well.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Jack really seemed to blow his narrative load in his fight with Hannibal, I don't think he did anything good or interesting past that

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008

A Steampunk Gent posted:

Jack really seemed to blow his narrative load in his fight with Hannibal, I don't think he did anything good or interesting past that

Agreed. I loved the conclusion of the stuff with Bella, but overall his character might have been better served by dying in Mizumono.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


Show rules, ending ruled

Botnit posted:

I'm mostly just giving a hard time to the more egregious poo poo posters who 'analyze' every little thing about this extremely mediocre show then don't see something that wasn't even particularly subtle to begin with.

First the show has a running theme of lazy writing where if you don't see the person die on camera they're usually not dead. Abigail, Freddie, etc. Jesus gently caress there was even a fakeout death in the very final episode with Tooth Fairy. Then you literally have a song that doesn't stop droning on and on about I WILLLLL SUUUURVIIIIIIIIIVE the whole time they're going over the cliff that we conveniently don't see bodies of, then you have Bedelia getting chopped up and some of you were seriously thinking it was "open to interpretation".

Okay yeah absolutely agreed on that

Also Jack being the dumbest of agents is the best ongoing theme

The look on his face when he says Will and Hannibal ran off together was perfect. Like "I'm mad I didn't see this coming but I can't even pretend to be surprised at this"

Paradox Personified
Mar 15, 2010

:sun: SoroScrew :sun:
Maybe he's more like Will than he thought.

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008

gently caress you goons the show was really good and way better than most drivel they show on TV. If you don't like it that's fine but don't try to convince me you lovely opinion is gospel. Just like everywhere else on these forums this seasons thread really hit the drizzling shits with petty elitism. First two seasons threads were really good. gently caress you goons.

JainDoh
Nov 5, 2002

There's definitely a large segment of goons who doesn't really care about certain things, but to troll other goons poo poo on them. Particularly in this forum. I remember longingly the days where SA trolled other people/PLACES but not fellow goons. And when threadshitting got you, in turn, shat upon.

If they had something legitimate to say about the quality of the show (or anything else) they might make a compelling, polite argument. It's the blatant rudeness that should be seen -- very transparent -- as the bait. If there's bait, it's trolling and not a legitimate attempt at discussion or criticism.

Rule #1 of the internet, from like 1979 usenet, seems to have been forgotten. Sometimes I myself am guilty.

DONT FEED THE TROLLS.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 6 days!
Never mind, had to rewatch.

Hollismason fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Aug 29, 2015

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Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

^burtle posted:

That finale was more balls than the Celtics locker room.

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