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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Fuller interview lol by which he means "I cannot believe that you idiots thought that but it sure is amusing"
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A few interesting bits in that article: - "The most interesting chapter of Will Graham's story has yet to be told." - De Laurentiis is trying to find financing for a feature film - Season 4 was going to be a big restart/reimagining (and later says it's a rebranding of the Will/Hannibal relationship) - They had originally planned to have the entire season set in Europe
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Aug 30, 2015 04:01
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That finale was so loving good, holy poo poo! I thought I'd be way more bummed it was canceled, but nah, that ending was goddamn perfect. What a show.  I felt like that whole episode was really well paced.Loved when we saw Hannibal emerge from the truck and remove the stuff he was bound in. Dude looked so loving carefree and gleeful. It was kind of a fun contrast to his behavior in captivity.
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Aug 30, 2015 04:12
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Glad to see I was right about both the ending and them intentionally loving with Chilton, surprised at I Will Survive being about Bedelia (didn't notice the fork originally, just the missing leg). Awesome to hear about how the Frankenstag (*RuPaul music plays*) was born. Agree with him that Mads is the best Hannibal. Thought it surprising that S&P was mostly fine with lip biting ( at it originally being longer)
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Aug 30, 2015 04:15
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Fuller interview welp that settles that.
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Aug 30, 2015 04:19
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I already miss this show. Too beautiful for this world.
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Aug 30, 2015 05:36
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I'm still baffled that anyone would watch that last seen as her doing it to herself. Handling the fork alone implies the terror.
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Aug 30, 2015 06:12
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When rewatching the finale tonight, Chilton's speech kind of struck me as something I'd expect out of a nascent super villain. I'm curious about what Fuller had planned for him. I think that was one of the best parts of the episode.
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Aug 30, 2015 06:20
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Did I miss something, or did the plan Jack/Will/Alana cook up to lure out Dolarhyde involve getting all those FBI agents in the cars killed just so they can take him and Hannibal down? I mean since the stinger basically implied Will's full heel turn I guess it makes sense for his character, and Chilton damning Alana earlier in the episode as no better than Lecter or Graham, but hot drat dragging Jack down into the whole "Hannibal corrupts everyone around him and drags them down to his level" superpower to justify it had me rather  Or was it just a "spin" Will put into the plan on his own after Dolarhyde cornered him in his motel room, letting him know about the convoy, because he was already well on his way to full on villain at that point and he no longer cared about the lives of the FBI agents he was working the mission with and just wanted to be in a position where he could take down Dolarhyde and Hannibal himself?
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Aug 30, 2015 06:32
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All that was missing from the finale was Will and Hannibal high-fiving in mid air, then the credits rolling over a freeze-frame.
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Aug 30, 2015 07:33
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Ragnarok the Red posted:Did I miss something, or did the plan Jack/Will/Alana cook up to lure out Dolarhyde involve getting all those FBI agents in the cars killed just so they can take him and Hannibal down? I mean since the stinger basically implied Will's full heel turn I guess it makes sense for his character, and Chilton damning Alana earlier in the episode as no better than Lecter or Graham, but hot drat dragging Jack down into the whole "Hannibal corrupts everyone around him and drags them down to his level" superpower to justify it had me rather Jack is an idiot.
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Aug 30, 2015 07:45
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Ragnarok the Red posted:Did I miss something, or did the plan Jack/Will/Alana cook up to lure out Dolarhyde involve getting all those FBI agents in the cars killed just so they can take him and Hannibal down? It wasn't supposed to happen like that - the plan was to lure Dolarhyde to a specific location, but he intercepted them before they ever arrived there. Still a terrible plan because, hello, it's Hannibal, he's GOING to escape in this situation
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Aug 30, 2015 07:53
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See what I made for dinner tonight? Do you see? Do you see?
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Aug 30, 2015 08:14
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Steve Yun posted:See what I made for dinner tonight? We are privy to a great becoming. Of diabetes.
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Ekusukariba posted:Does Bedelia even have any surgical skill? was that something ever brought up? because if not then I doubt she'd be able to remove her own leg Psychiatrists go to medical school so she would probably have the base line of how to amputate a leg but it seems like something you'd have to have done a lot to be able to do it to yourself .
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Aug 30, 2015 08:54
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With her limited surgical experience she wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
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Aug 30, 2015 08:58
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http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/hannibal-creator-i-wanted-to-be-sure-we-had-an-ending-for-the-storyquote:Bryan Fuller: Mads and Hugh, there were a lot of takes where they got very intimate, and lips were hovering over lips. I definitely had the footage to go there, because Mads and Hugh were so game.
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Aug 30, 2015 10:44
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Who'd have thought The Legend of Korra and Hannibal would end the same way?
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Aug 30, 2015 10:47
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quote:While Will thinks the Red Dragon is dead, he goes to visit Hannibal and tells him that he’s going back to his family. http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/aug/29/hannibal-recap-season-three-finale-the-wrath-of-the-lamb
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Aug 30, 2015 10:58
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Steve Yun posted:http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/hannibal-creator-i-wanted-to-be-sure-we-had-an-ending-for-the-story You obsequious fagmonger. You chill my bones with disgust and tingle my spine with homo murder delights.
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Aug 30, 2015 10:58
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So, the title and the Chilton convo were setting him up to be the villain in the Silence adaptation, yeah? The man's gonna need a skin suit, what better way to get one?
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Steve Yun posted:See what I made for dinner tonight? That looks amazing! It's a delicious tribute! Fuller says that season 1 put him off most meat and he went pescaterian. I agree with him that cows are a lot more intelligent and social than we think (having met several herds as a kid, they're a curious and facinating bunch of creatures) and pigs can be as smart as dogs - though randy wild boars high on fermented fruit and veg are about as smart as a fratboy with more alcohol than blood running through their veins! BUT I've actually had a renewed interest in cooking, especially meat (more specifically offal) because of this show, It's all so beautifully prepared, no overcooked junk, with a focus on the taste of each ingredient instead of lumping it into a soup/stew/sauce based on recipes born from times of poverty. It helps that I live in a country where factory farming is banned, corn isn't on the menu for cows, animal transport and feeding is carefully regulated and there's a number on each meat package that allows me to trace it back to the specific farm. We still force feed geese though because tradition shmadition cultural heritage blabla. I'd have to go pescaterian (and have been when travelling) if in the USA, as most people can't afford non factory farmed, properly slaughtered animals. Learning more about how herds and flocks work first hand from breeders has been helpful too. Turns out, we need to eat or cull many of the 50% of males born each year, we turn them into pullets and bullocks then eat them as they'd fight to death or be run out of the flock/herd if left to mature. First time chicken flock owners often find out that being kind and keeping the young roosters ends in bloody showdowns and dead roosters. Anyhow, beautiful cooking. Not sure I'd want to touch the heart in case it sprouted legs. Man that was a messed up nightmare visual. Bless Bryan Fuller and his magnificent gory mind. Somebody throw money and a HBO slot for ten years at the guy to do whatever he wants, if Ryan Murphy's stuff can keep getting greenlit and continued then Fuller's should too. I'll take whatever: sugary sweet piemakers who can raise the dead, happy monsters, talking animate objects that may be channeling god, sci-fi that makes you cry and serial killers who make art. I'll take the water/blood drops set to artsy fartsy music anyday over whatever procedural or drama is on. My favourite part of the interview was finding out that there's a gag reel of Raùl Esparza in his gory burn makeup cracking jokes and breaking into song. Brilliant.
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Viginti posted:So, the title and the Chilton convo were setting him up to be the villain in the Silence adaptation, yeah? The man's gonna need a skin suit, what better way to get one? I just had a mental image of a lipless Chilton trying to say "would you gently caress me? I'd gently caress me hard" while trying to put on lipstick.
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Yeah, I never thought Bedelia did that to herself. She's waiting for someone, and she's going to stab them in their stupid face when they get too close. Whoever suggested that Chilton could become Buffalo Bill (Buffalo Chil?), that is my new favorite fan theory. I'd love to see that! I regret that we didn't see more of Freddy, Molly or the Science Bros. Ok so as promised, here's a list of basic changes from the book. This is chock full of spoilers and details. I highly suggest everyone read Red Dragon, regardless of whether or not you enjoyed the show, because everyone should read this book. Rather than go scene by scene, I thought character by character might be more interesting. Other readers, please fact check me, and if anyone interested has questions about other things I might not mention, ask! Alright, let's start with the big one since everything else will tie in to: The case So there's a lot here, and it's all basically spoilers. Please read the book. - Thomas Harris is way more of a procedural writer than the show would have you believe. There's a lot of description of investigative techniques and analytical science used in the case. Of course, the book is dated now because of the technology discussed, seeing as it has advanced significantly since then, but if you're interested in what techniques were being used in the 70s/80s, this is the book to read. - There are a ton os secondary law enforcement characters we never see. The FBI and cops work closely together in the books, and so we see that team work a lot. Not so much in the show. - Like the show, Dolarhyde has entire sections of the book which are just about him. I'll talk more about Dolarhyde later. - So Dolarhyde's MO is that he kills (or attempts to kill) the family pet, breaks in using appropriate tools (glass screen door = he brings a glass cutter, for instance), kills the family, lines them up to "watch" his becoming, puts glass in the woman's eyes, and rapes her body while filming. Sexuality is a huge part of the book and constantly mentioned, in both Dolarhyde and Will's sections. Since the show steered away from sexual violence, that aspect of the crimes was toned down to the point of unrecognizable. - Dolarhyde chooses his victims from film reels. He works at a film development company which creates unique family films, and watches the created videos to determine who his next family of victims will be, with heavy focus on the woman. Fuller said that Dolarhyde used social media to choose his victims in the show. I'm kind've sad they never showed him trolling FB profiles. - Will realizes how Dolarhyde is picking his victims because in one of the murders, Dolarhyde brought a set of bolt cutters but there was no door with a bolt to cut at the house. The father had the door changed out after the film was made. So while repeatedly watching the video of one of the families Will abruptly realizes that everything the killer needed to know to break in is contained within the video - family pet (who had no collar, so otherwise how would the killer know it was theirs), house layouts, number of family members, etc. He calls the executor of the other family's estate to find out if they have a similar video from the same company, and the answer is yes. This is how the FBI traces Dolarhyde's place of employment. - Dolarhyde uses a mold of his grandmother's dentures in his crimes, hence the weird teeth marks. As in the show, there were two sets of dentures - the originals and a set he had made to fit his own mouth. As a result, the killer can't be traced by dental records, because the bite isn't actually his. - Dolarhyde's fakeout with Reba is pretty much a lift from the book. It's written from Reba's perspective so we believe he's dead along with Reba. He did indeed kill a gas station attendant - a man we meet earlier in the book as eyeing Reba's sexy legs inside Dolarhyde's car while they've stopped to get gas. Dolarhyde menaces the guy away, but he clearly didn't forgive him. Will Graham Fuller openly calls the show a fanfiction, and that's not innacurrate. I'll break down the changes I don't remember talking about before. There are plenty more! Read the book! - Will catches Hannibal by pure intuition. He's part of the Ripper investigation and interviews people who saw one of the Ripper's victims in the hospital, and gets a bad vibe from Hannibal. He returns to re-interview Hannibal and while in his office he notices a copy of a medical book which has the Wound Man illustration inside of it, and he knows Hannibal is the killer, and he realizes that Hannibal knows that he knows. Note - he didn't need to see the image to figure it out, just the book, so Will's near-psychic abilities are in fact canon. Anyway, he excuses himself from the room to call for backup, and Hannibal removes his shoes, sneaks behind him and guts him with a linoleum knife. - The next time Will sees Hannibal is for Hannibal's trial, and then after that when he comes to see him in regards to the more recent murders. And that is the sum total of all of Will and Hannibal's interactions in the entire book series. Will doesn't ever appear again after RD, except for a brief and depressing name drop in SotL. - One of Will's empathic traits that none of the adaptations ever really touched on is that he mimics the speech patterns of people he's talking with. I think in his scene with Dolarhyde in this episode, we saw this a little bit in how Will mimicked Dolarhyde's speech volume and a bit of his slur, but it's never been a trait that's been really used in an adaptation. - In other adaptations, a lot of Will's bigger revelations or connections are given to other characters instead, which in turn makes his abilities seem completely normal. The show stayed the most true to his character's ability, with him constantly making particularly odd leaps of logic based on very little evidence. - Another thing we don't see often is Will using his ability on non-killers. This is where Will's perception as a raging rear end in a top hat starts to really shine. One scene in the book involves an older witness who might have seen the killer who attacked one of the families, but doesn't have a clear memory of the killer's face. Will and another detective interview him together, and Will uses his ability to read other people to piss off/trick the man into having a clearer memory of the person he saw. He comes across as a real jerk in the scene, and afterwards while stewing in self-loathing is asked by the cop with him to describe how he caught Hannibal. - Will's total obsession with dogs leads to he and Molly having several strays. I'll talk a bit more about them in Molly's section. We never learn any of the dogs' names, we just know that Will is indeed a collector of strays. - Will's self-loathing is long-established. He fears that his ability to empathize with killers means he's a killer himself, which is a weakness that Hannibal picks up on and constantly taunts him about. Because Hannibal loving hates Will. Hannibal congratulates Will on his first true murder in a letter that, if I'm not mistaken, Jack refuses to give to him. I could be wrong about that. More about said murder later. - Will's family comes under threat because of Will himself. Hannibal and the Tooth Fairy are known to be communicating through the Tattler's personals, and Hannibal has sent a message in code. They don't have time to break the code before presses, and so they need to decide if they'll let it run or not without knowing what the message says. Will decides to let it run, since they don't want to lose this line of communication. Later they find out that this was Hannibal's "Here's Will's address, save yourself kill them all" message. Will spends the rest of the book falling apart because of how he did this to himself, in his mind. Will is a very unstable person whose perception should not be trusted. The show did right by that aspect of his character! - Spoilers for how Will ends up in the book, and this I'll spoil because it's massively different from the show: Dolarhyde attacks Will and his family at home, cutting the poo poo out of Will's face and stabbing him in the side. Will collapses from his injuries and doesn't get back up. He wakes up in the hospital, where Jack explains to him how Dolarhyde managed to fake his own death. Molly is still there, but has sent her son Willy off to be with his paternal grandparents, and Will realizes she's going to leave him. Jack leaves him. The dogs are gone at this point. So Will ends up alone in the hospital, hallucinating about going to Shiloh while he heals from his injuries. The end! The next we hear of Will is in SotL, where he's become a drunk with a "Picasso face." So if you can believe it, the show, for all how it abused him, actually has given him a better ending than Harris. Molly Graham - Molly's baseball player husband died of brain cancer, I believe, so like the show she is a widow rather than a divorcee/single mom. - Molly is a clothing designer and owns a little shop in the Florida Keys, where she and Will live. He fixes boat motors and she runs her shop. - Dolarhyde does not show up at the house earlier than the end of the book, as a twist. However, Hannibal and Dolarhyde communicate through the personals in the Tattler, the rag that Freddy Lounds works for, and Hannibal uses code to send Dolarhyde Will's home address and does indeed tell him to "Save yourself, kill them all." As a result Molly and Willy are moved to a safe place, and Will teaches her how to shoot to defend herself if needed. It's the beginning of the end for the two of them. - Molly's primary motivation is protecting her son. She ends up selling her shop, getting rid of all of the dogs, and sending Willy to his paternal grandparents while the case is ongoing. Will recognizes all of this as a bad sign but doesn't/can't leave the case. - After Will is attacked by Dolarhyde and collapses, Molly grabs her son and runs down the beach. She uses a fishing lure to keep him away, gets her gun and shoots him multiple times to kill him. Jack's team have to interview her about what happened from within the shower, as she washes Dolarhyde (and maybe Will's) blood off of herself. - Molly does in fact end up leaving Will in the end. Happy! Francis Dolarhyde Honestly, not too much was changed for Dolarhyde. It was more that things were left out, namely his backstory. So a basic summary is: - Dolarhyde's mother abandoned him, so his grandmother took over his care. She was quite abusive. When she discovered that his mother was married to an aspiring politician, she made a point of bringing Dolarhyde to visit her and publicly shame her. Dolarhyde's mother brought him to live with her new family as a result, and his step-brothers and sister tormented him. Ultimately his grandmother took full custody and raised him. - She converted her house into a nursing home, which was how he grew up. Hence the big old-timey house, wheelchair, etc. - Dolarhyde's entire childhood was full of abuse, which shaped how his psychosis manifested and how he chose his victims (mother, father, two sons and a daughter). - Dolarhyde tries to stop for Reba's sake and fails when he sees Will Graham at his place of employment. Realizing that he's about to be caught, he goes full crazy, with the Dragon telling him that he needs to listen and the Dragon will get him out of this. So essentially, it's implied that if Will had never showed up, he might've been able to stop and live a happy life with Reba, never killing again. Way to go Will. (He likely would've gone full crazy anyway, but that's the implication.) - Dolarhyde's sections are very divided between Dolarhyde and the Dragon, often with him arguing internally or outwardly with himself. The parallel is set between him fighting his demon and Will fighting his impulses. Dolarhyde and Will are clearly meant to invoke one another, and essentially serve as two sides of the same coin - one already flipped, and one fighting the flip. Once Dolarhyde is killed, Will's character has no more mirror image because Hannibal just isn't a relationship for Will in this book. Reba McClane She's pretty much the same. She's also a great character. Most of the women are great characters in the book. Jack Crawford I've covered some of this already, so this is shorter. Jack's entire character trait is a willingness to do or sacrifice anything/anyone to catch the killer. In RD it's Will, Will's sanity, and by extension Will's family. In SotL, it's Clarice. For example, after Will's family is threatened Jack has a conversation with Alan Bloom about how relieved he is that Will can't leave the investigation now. Jack is a total bastard, but he owns it and considers all of this worthwhile. He's very much so a big picture, "means justify the end" type of guy. Once the villain is caught, Jack goes back to work on other things. So at the end of RD, he abandons Will in the hospital. What a great friend. Bella Crawford exists and dies in later books, but not in RD. Jack and Bella have no scenes together - she remains a background element. Alan Bloom I've already hit the big changes. Alan is never on Hannibal's radar because he plays a minor role in the book. His major character trait is he likes Will Graham and is thus more subtle about manipulating Will. Frederick Chilton Chilton has 3 or so scenes in the book, and they've all been heavily mined in seasons one and two, so by season 3 he wasn't even the director of the BSHCI anymore. - He's smarmy, he's incompetent, he's opportunistic, and he's the director of the BSHCI who resents that Lecter is in his care but he can't make money off of his presence because Lecter doesn't cooperate. - His first meet with Will is the same as in season 1. He really wants to study Will and he's not subtle about it. - Will never ends up in Chilton's care. He does go to a mental institution after killing Hobbs, but he's never convicted of any crime and so has no reason to be imprisoned. - Chilton uses petty punishments to annoy Hannibal because Hannibal annoys him. They are antagonistic, but Chilton isn't really set up as an equal. More an annoying buzz in Hannibal's ear. Pretty much everything after season 1 is a change for Chilton. He certainly isn't treated to so many injuries over the course of the series, and he's not the one in Dolarhyde's chair. Which brings me to... Freddy Lounds - Freddy is a tabloid journalist who got into the Tattler writing bogus cancer cure articles. He is extremely good at his job, which makes him appear to be an rear end in a top hat. However, he's not nearly as smarmy as either movie made him - he's a hound dog journalist. The show got the personality pretty spot-on. - Freddy has an entire chapter devoted to him, so we get to know this character before his ultimate demise. We learn that he quit his previous job after hearing another worker who'd been at that paper for years complaining about his hemorroids, and he joined the Tattler because they offered him real money. - He's really good at his job, and is the Tattler's star reporter as a result. Will hates him because he took a picture of Will in the hospital, complete with colonoscomy bag, while Will was unconscious. - Freddy realizes that the FBI is interested in the Tattler personals and phones in a phony call as the Tooth Fairy, trying to get information. They arrest him, thinking they had the actual Tooth Fairy, and to avoid federal charges he makes a deal to write a bogus article with Will and Jack's help to piss off the killer and try to flush him out. The intention of the article is to make Will bait, hence the pictures need to have identifiable backgrounds in them. Will shocks everyone during the interview by being extremely personable, and puts his hand on Freddy's shoulder in one picture in a gesture that catches both Jack and Alan off guard, since they know he hates Freddy. - Freddy has a girlfriend named Wendy. They appear to be in a loving relationship. She's a former stripper, former because he helped her purchase the club she used to strip at and helped her set up as a business owner. She renamed it Wendy City and is established. Basically, Freddy takes care of his own, and we learn this through his relationship with Wendy. - The Chilton/Dolarhyde scene is pretty much a direct lift of Freddy's murder scene in the book, so the big change there is Freddy instead of Chilton. One thing that was left out is that Dolarhyde is clearly loving this poo poo. He taunts Freddy in the end when he sets him on fire. Freddyyyyyyyyy! - Freddy dies as a result of his injuries, after blaming Will for setting him up as a "pet." He doesn't speak directly with Will or Jack, but rather is heard in a recording when he's first brought in to the hospital yelling about how Will set him up with that hand pat "like a loving pet." So yes, Will does get blamed for what happened to Freddy, by Freddy himself and later by Hannibal, who congratulates him on his first real murder in a letter that Jack keeps from him (I believe, recent readers is that right?) Whether it was intentional or not is left open to interpretation, as Will admits to himself that he hated Freddy enough to do it. - The Tattler makes a big deal out of the entire ordeal for money. Wendy talks to Will after the funeral to tell him she doesn't blame him, and also that she's taken a book deal about what happened because she thinks that's what Freddy, ever enterprising, would have wanted her to do. Will agrees. Freddy is still everyone's cash cow. The Science Squad They do indeed exist in the book. RD is where we meet Jimmy Price, Brian Zeller and Beverly Katz. They are minor characters who serve their investigative purpose and never really show up again. Also, none of them are murdered. Whew! Hope this was interesting/enjoyable! 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I liked the finale well enough but I don't think I'd watch a season 4 if there was one. I've pretty much just had enough and that felt like an ending.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Scott Thompson is the best. During the Kids in the Hall tour a few months back, they did a bit where they all mocked each other. For Thompson, they all teased him about his "Hannibal friends" and how he would tell them that he was going out to "see his friend Laurence Fishburne" instead of working with them. 
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I haven't read any thread reactions to the finale, so these are my honest thoughts right after watching it. - First of all, gently caress NBC. The finale here was preempted for preseason football. At least now I never have to watch NBC ever again  - The finale was really disappointing. It was a mess. Though I don't blame Bryan Fuller completely because he's made it clear he was screwed over in every possible way: quote:It was one of those things that was very rushed. We didn’t have enough time to shoot it, and we couldn’t afford to shoot it in the manner in which we wanted to shoot it. It took about 10 hours to shoot, and that’s shocking when you consider it took us maybe 22 hours of actual filming for the fight scene with Mads and Laurence [in Hannibal’s kitchen] at the beginning of Season 2 — plus, three additional days of second-unit shooting. The Hannibal-Will-Dolarhyde fight took 10 hours, plus six hours of second unit, so it was much smaller in scale, which is why we had to really build out the sequence with a lot of strategic inserts. We simply didn’t have the footage to pull it off. We didn’t have close-ups of Richard Armitage, for example, because he had to go do a movie. So I used footage from the scene of him burning down his ritual to give us an opportunity to see his face plainly. That was originally supposed to be shown during the fire sequence, but I pulled all of that stuff out and moved it to the end, so we could actually see the actor’s face. It was an episode that was rife with all sorts of production problems. It took the longest time of any episode in the history of the series to cut together. quote:...but for me, really, what pulled it all together were the visual effects of Richard Armitage sprouting dragon wings and Will Graham seeing that in his delirious blood-loss state. All of that was added in post[-production] to try to spice up the sequence because we just weren’t able to pull it off, given the restrictions that we had during shooting. This explains the random interspersed shots from earlier episodes that had me and my friend laughing. But I do question some of Fuller's decisions. For example, it's really cool that Hannibal inspired Siouxsie Sioux to write a new song, but it's like Fuller didn't care if the song didn't match the rest of the show's music at all, he had to put it in anyway. The result was like abruptly changing the channel to a music video. - Another problem was how the "plan" didn't make any sense at all. Why Jack and Alana would have gone through with it after the complete failure of the previous two big plans (season 2 finale and last episode) is beyond me. - It's like the writers really wanted to get to the final scene with Will and Hannibal alone, so they rushed the explanation of how they got there. It was the most perfunctory escape scene I've ever watched, like "oh right, Hannibal has to escape, um he's in the police van, Dolarhyde attacks and kills all the cops, Hannibal and Will survive the crash of course, and are perfectly fine to drive all the way to the cliffside, GOOD ENOUGH." - The cops in this show are even more incompetent redshirts than the droids in the Star Wars prequels. It was hysterical how easily they got taken down by one dude in a stolen police car that they KNEW was coming after them. They've always been expendable, but this was ridiculous. - The only scenes I really liked was Hannibal's scary speech to Alana, and the scene where she and Margot flee in the helicopter. And also Bedelia's absolute horror when she finds out WIll's plan. - The 3-way fight scene and the cliffside fall and the credits scene were fine, I would've actually liked them if the rest hadn't been so half-assed. Compared to Mizumono, where everything came together so well, this is kind of sad. - Overall, Season 3 has definitely been the worst season.  I bought the first two on blu ray as soon as they came out, but I'm not sure if I'm going to do that here.TL;DR: The writers said "We know that you know where this is all going in the end, so we don't have to put time and effort into explaining how we get there, right? Thank god because the network is loving us over."
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Bedelia looked insanely numb in that last scene. If you count alcohol, Bedelia's numbed herself in almost all her scenes. I guess that doping herself up, just like she did in Dolce, and then mutilating and roasting herself is a truly traumatic event (a callback to the trauma theme of the first 3 episodes?) Maybe, after a couple episodes of discussing Will's capacity for cruelty, their race to the finish (Bluebeard's wife), and then him directly threatening Hannibal's release, she deduced Will would come to kill her as well. Cinematography-wise, it was beautiful; comparable to the totem pole or Hannibal's masterpiece. And after all her thinking, she was wrong, and she now gets to eat herself. I'd be reluctant too; hence the clean plate and fork on my lap. Will and Hannibal being dead returns to the idea of Will as Frankenstein's monster in Italy and Lithuania, a novel where the main character's left to an unknown fate in a stormy sea. Mameluke fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Aug 30, 2015 |
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FourLeaf posted:But I do question some of Fuller's decisions. For example, it's really cool that Hannibal inspired Siouxsie Sioux to write a new song, but it's like Fuller didn't care if the song didn't match the rest of the show's music at all, he had to put it in anyway. The result was like abruptly changing the channel to a music video. This is exactly why I'm not a fan of that song. It didn't fit a single other piece of music in the entire series, and I could always count on the show to have consistent visuals and score even if the plot was too bizarre for me. Overall I agree with a lot of your points. Season 1 is by far my favorite, and if this is truly the end then S1 always will be my favorite adaptation of Will Graham by way of Thomas Harris DJ mashup fanfiction. The surrealism had context that worked, the procedural aspects were still there rather than totally missing or brushed over, and Will wasn't a hetero life partner of Hannibal, BFFs forever. Of all the things the show did, having Will ultimately give in is a decision I'm not a fan of. But I'm glad the show existed to push the boundaries it did and stand apart for its visuals and score. Hopefully it will serve as inspiration for the standards other shows can aim for.
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Aug 30, 2015 16:50
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This is the best love story.
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Aug 30, 2015 17:01
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I absolutely loved the finale. Watching Will and Hannibal go full murder-husbands on the Dollarhyde was great. That was probably one of my favorite scenes in the show. As bad as Hannibal is, having Hannibal and Will killing together would be terrifying.
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Doobie Keebler posted:I absolutely loved the finale. Watching Will and Hannibal go full murder-husbands on the Dollarhyde was great. That was probably one of my favorite scenes in the show. As bad as Hannibal is, having Hannibal and Will killing together would be terrifying. They did a really cool dynamic with it too. Will looked like a hungry animal pouncing all over Dollarhyde while Hannibal represented the more sophisticated and solid killer of the pair.
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Bedelia didn't cut her leg off. This was tweeted from someone on the shows staff  https://twitter.com/mutzko/status/637822604481425408?s=09 Of course he's still serving her oysters to make her taste better  and from Bryan Fuller himself: Tweets: THERE ARE THREE PLACE SETTINGS ON BEDELIA’S TABLE https://twitter.com/BryanFuller/status/637821567179722752?s=09 Titled: Hannibal and Bedelia dine on Bedelia's leg  https://twitter.com/BryanFuller/status/637821817797804032 Interviews: From TVLINE http://tvline.com/2015/08/29/hannibal-series-finale-will-lecter-cliff-bryan-fuller-interview-season-4/ Well, you know, I love post-credits sequence. I mean, you see Sherlock and Moriarty go over Reichenbach Falls, and you don’t know what fate befell those characters. By coming back in and seeing Bedelia at a dinner table being served her own leg, grabbing a fork and hiding it under the table and preparing to stab it in the neck of the next person who comes into the room, that’s a great way to tell the audience, “Yes, we have told you completion to this story, but who is serving Bedelia that leg? Is it Hannibal? Did he survive? Is it Uncle Robert is, and is David Bowie behind that curtain? Who’s serving her the leg?” From IGN: http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/08/30/hannibal-bryan-fuller-on-the-huge-events-in-the-season-3-finale-and-continued-hopes-for-the-future Fuller: Well, I think what they should take from it is that the story is not over and somebody cut off Bedelia’s leg and is serving it to her and she just grabbed her fork and hid it under her napkin and she’s going to plunge it into the next person that walks into that room. And that if there had been a Season 4, we would have seen a continuation of that dinner. And the best: http://www.vulture.com/2015/08/bryan-fuller-hannibal-finale-campy-sensual.html "And then of course coming back in and seeing that someone has cut off Bedelia’s leg and is serving it, and she grabs a fork and hides it under her napkin to stab the neck of the person who’s going to come into the room next suggests that either Uncle Robertus and Lady Murasaki are going down Hannibal’s enemies list and checking them off, or that Hannibal may have survived that fall. Some people have told me that their interpretation of it is that she sawed it off herself, cooked it up, and is waiting for him to come home like, “Honey, I made dinner!” [Laughs], which is hilarious."
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Aug 30, 2015 19:30
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I forgot about David Bowie! drat you nbc  https://youtu.be/vOpBVIQ7jUE
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Nannypea posted:Bedelia didn't cut her leg off. I believe that is what they call a mic drop
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As the show is dead and there's never going to be a scene to prove otherwise, I still choose to believe Bedelia cut her leg off as supplication to Hannibal and is now feeling really, really stupid
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Aug 30, 2015 20:46
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Bedelia's stone-cold "you've got to be loving kidding me" reaction face to Will's plan was maybe the best part of the episode. Is there a gif of that yet?
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Aug 30, 2015 21:00
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Just watched the first episode and in the flashback where Bedelia kills her patient Hannibal calls her "Gillian" thanks for reading.
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Aug 30, 2015 22:18
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That was the greatest series finale in television history. Murder husbands 4 lyfe
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The last 15 minutes felt like an extended music video.
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