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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Just watched the first episode and in the flashback where Bedelia kills her patient Hannibal calls her "Gillian" thanks for reading. I was just watching that scene on youtube and thought I heard him call her Gillian. Thank you for confirming.
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Just watched the first episode and in the flashback where Bedelia kills her patient Hannibal calls her "Gillian" thanks for reading. I wanna see a video of an excited Gillian Anderson bringing Mads Mikkelsen a beer now. 
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Aug 30, 2015 22:34
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5f8dMw_Zz4 Such a great song at the end, feels like it would've been right at home in Manhunter too.
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Aug 30, 2015 22:37
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That ending was Not Good thanks for reading my opinion.
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Vitamin P posted:That ending was Not Good thanks for reading my opinion. you're stupid shut up and go away i hate you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Aug 30, 2015 23:23
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I took it that Will and Hannibal are going to feast on Bedilla. That Will was transformed by the events and has become the friend Hannibal wants.
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Aug 30, 2015 23:25
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Scooter_McCabe posted:I took it that Will and Hannibal are going to feast on Bedilla. That Will was transformed by the events and has become the friend Hannibal wants. Who do you think is the third? also I kinda giggled inside after three, four people post links to interviews and tweets going "Fuller's like lol cut her own leg off? y'all silly. oh look at dem three place settings, she's gonna stab some fool in the neck, HANNIBAL AND BEDELIA EAT HER LEG.png"
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Aug 30, 2015 23:51
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Overall I liked the first two seasons more, they were put together much tighter imho. Rushing through Hannibal's European Vacation, Hannibal and Red Dragon together was a little rough as well. In addition I think the third season lost me early when it was revealed that despite all the manipulation, mental torture, medical mistreatment, drugging, etc Will was apparently a hair's edge away from becoming murder-husbands with Hannibal in season 2. I could see how some people would like this season though, it's like Fuller was left alone completely without oversight and to fans of his style that'd be amazing. The events of this season do definitely allow for a rewatching of the earlier episodes in a completely different light as well. Still quality television. I wouldn't mind another season where Not-Clarice takes down Buffalo Fred and the Husbands - I suspect such a season might return to something a bit more conventional in style - but the ending was about as good as it gets so I'm satisfied if this is the final course. e: found and posted this is another thread, thought you might like it too 
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Aug 31, 2015 00:53
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No more Mads Mikkelsen until Rogue One next year. Dude is gonna own as an Imperial officer.
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Holy poo poo that fight between the dragon, Hannibal, and Will. What a finale.
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Wiggy Marie posted:One of Will's empathic traits that none of the adaptations ever really touched on is that he mimics the speech patterns of people he's talking with. I think in his scene with Dolarhyde in this episode, we saw this a little bit in how Will mimicked Dolarhyde's speech volume and a bit of his slur, but it's never been a trait that's been really used in an adaptation. I had this exact thought during his last conversation with Bedelia, noticing how he talked to Dolarhyde, then her. When he's talking with Bedelia in their 'therapy' sessions, he adopts her insanely circumlocutious speech patterns and tendency to speak in aphorism, as well as her hypnotized, aloof physicality. He addresses Hannibal like Hannibal - unflinching stares and bold declarations filled with implication. When he's talking to Jack, he tends speak in a much more familiar and laid-back style, complete with jokes. He always matches the energy of whoever he's talking to. It's subtle, but I think it's there throughout the series.
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http://www.tvserial.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Schermata-2015-08-30-alle-00.13.20.png I thought that shot was beautiful during the fight scene. What a show. Liked the song, too.
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Nannypea posted:Bedelia didn't cut her leg off. Hannibal was supposed to carve it up
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Schroedinger's serial killer. ***** Some neat tidbits in watching the finale again: - Hannibal says to Dolarhyde that "suicide is the enemy." I suppose you could summarize his worldview as self-preservation at all costs, which explains why he tells Dolarhyde to kill everyone else in order to save himself from the Dragon. This makes Will's double suicide an even bigger act of defiance against Hannibal; he's sacrificing himself to save the world from Hannibal's influence. - Hannibal quotes the Bible "greater love hath no man than to lay down his life for his friend." He probably meant it in reference to the two of them probably having to fight Dolarhyde together soon, but Will's suicide twists the meaning of that quote. Will is laying down his life to save Jack, Alana and Frederick from any more exposure to Hannibal. - Hannibal's indirect influence is all over the third season. After subjecting Alana to life-threatening trauma and being pushed out the window by Hannibal's ward, she is reborn as a bloodthirsty person. Her change isn't complete (she objects to letting Pazzi get killed) but she's clearly willing to sentence Hannibal to torture and death instead of bringing him to justice. Gone is the innocent Alana of before. Likewise, Chilton is "changed" by Hannibal's influence. Once limited to simply lying to advance his career, now he also becomes bloodthirsty, wanting to have Hannibal skinned for his grafts. When he meets with Alana, she says Chilton wouldn't be comfortable in Hannibal's skin. He retorts by asking her if she is. Brilliant. He points out that "what Hannibal is capable of" is the same as what Will and Alana are capable of; Hannibal's influence has infected all of them. - Will had rejected Hannibal, but after being forced to deal with Hannibal again, Will's darker side returns as well. He callously risks Chilton's life and plots with Alana and Jack to kill Hannibal surreptitiously. - You could say Jack is the least "changed" by Hannibal because he was already willing to sacrifice and manipulate others in order to do his job. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Aug 31, 2015 |
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FourLeaf posted:I haven't read any thread reactions to the finale, so these are my honest thoughts right after watching it. Small mistake there, the cops didn't know Dolarhyde was coming. The plan was to fake a Hannibal escape in order to lure Dolarhyde in, but Dolarhyde attacked them while they brought Hannibal to some place. Probably thanks to information from Will, who set them all up because he was already embracing his dark side and wanted to gently caress Jack over as a bonus. I agree to your general thought that the cops / Chilton's armed escort are stupidly incompetent. Dolarhyde comes across as a supervillain with inhuman shooting skills to a point where, even in this show, suspension of disbelief becomes difficult.
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One little detail that really stuck out about Chilton's pain: when he says "just enough to hang... me" he has to pause in order to muster the strength to say "me" because M sounds are hard to say without lips.
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Didn't the novels end up with Starling joining up with Hannibal? The murder husbands go on a roadtrip. I'm now having this warped idea that if they ever remake Silence it's Graham gone completely loco as Bill the Butcher while a captured Hannibal toys with the FBI investigator. BogDew fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Aug 31, 2015 |
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Aug 31, 2015 09:19
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Vitamin P posted:That ending was Not Good thanks for reading my opinion. How rude.
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WebDog posted:Didn't the novels end up with Starling joining up with Hannibal? The murder husbands go on a roadtrip. Yeah, the end of the novel Hannibal has Clarice kidnapped by Hannibal, who then proceeds to drug her and turn her enough that she joins up with him and they run away together. It's the reason Jodie Foster refused to do the movie but then they changed the ending anyway. As for Silence, they could probably figure out a way to do something with it but last I heard the rights for it and any characters introduced in it are still tangled up with another (dead) production.
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Periodiko posted:I had this exact thought during his last conversation with Bedelia, noticing how he talked to Dolarhyde, then her. When he's talking with Bedelia in their 'therapy' sessions, he adopts her insanely circumlocutious speech patterns and tendency to speak in aphorism, as well as her hypnotized, aloof physicality. He addresses Hannibal like Hannibal - unflinching stares and bold declarations filled with implication. When he's talking to Jack, he tends speak in a much more familiar and laid-back style, complete with jokes. If there ever was to be a parody, her speech would surely be something to make fun of
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Wiggy Marie posted:Ok so as promised, here's a list of basic changes from the book. This is chock full of spoilers and details. I highly suggest everyone read Red Dragon, regardless of whether or not you enjoyed the show, because everyone should read this book. As someone who's yet to read the book (and hasn't seen the movie, either) I really enjoyed this post. It was super interesting. Thanks for putting in the time/effort! Edit: Deakul posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5f8dMw_Zz4 Also, yeah, I loving love that song. It's so, so far removed from the rest of the series ... someone else earlier in the thread mentioned it felt like the ending credits of a movie, more than the actual score, to signal 'this here's the end.' It really worked for me. I can see why some folks found it jarring/weird but when you look at it as series finale rather than season then it works. Thinking on it - I'd love if we did get a fourth season, I really want to see more of what crazy poo poo Fuller would get up to. But if all we've got is these three seasons, I'm still content. A Tin Of Beans fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Aug 31, 2015 |
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Let's look at the other - Blindspot: The series focuses on a mysterious tattooed woman who has lost her memory and does not know her own identity. The FBI discovers that each tattoo contains a clue to a crime they will have to solve. - The Player: Forever searching for a bigger fix, an organization of wealthy individuals in Las Vegas indulges in a high-stakes game of risk and reward with a criminal twist. The plan is simple: orchestrate some of the biggest crimes imaginable and bet on one man's ability to stop them from playing out. Starring Wesley Snipes. - Heroes Reborn: Superpowers etc. - Chicago Med: Medical drama, in Chicago! - Best Time Ever, feat. Neil Patrick Harris: Doogie Howser has some stars, stunts and surprises! - Truth be Told: ????????? - Shades of Blue: BOY HOWDY DO WE HAVE PROCEDURAL POLICE DRAMAS FOR YOU Network television is utter poo poo, Hannibal was the only show I've found worth watching on network TV in years and I'm sad that its over 
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Network (and basic cable) TV is for old people, no joke. They want stupid poo poo to turn on and tune out to. No interest in quality of fiction, just want poo poo they don't have to think about to enjoy. Why do you think CBS ratings are so far up from where (afaik?) they used to be? Why 80% of all shows are procedural, and the rest -- plus an overlap with procedurals -- are dressed-up soaps?
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Aug 31, 2015 18:24
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Well it probably got bad ratings cause the type of audience the show attracted doesn't consume shows through the standard cable model. I'm just glad I have front row seats to the death of cable TV.
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No joke, I can't wait until they sell all the public airwaves (except PBS?) for network TV for faster wireless broadband like the rest. I guess reality television IS cancer, and it's killing its host. They tried to inject procedurals, people always love those, right? Like, 80 of them running concurrently? However, the diagnosis isn't hopeful.
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Wait what's the difference between network TV and cable TV. Because I knew the 4 big networks (CBS, NBC, Fox, ABC) were dying, but I thought cable was actually doing better since there are so many acclaimed shows now, like Mad Men, Breaking Bad, etc. Or are streaming services killing that too?
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Aug 31, 2015 19:46
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Save yourself, stream them all.
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Just saw it now, literal perfection. Perfect series end.
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With the way things went down this season with the cancellation and then the time-slot change and the pre-emptions, what's the chances NBC is planning a full blu-ray set? If its not happening I'll buy each season individually but I'm willing to wait a while if a full set is likely.
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Okay, there is one aspect of this show I am a big dumb ignorant stupidface about : why does Hannibal want to kill and eat Bedelia? What did she do to offend his sense of Ekusukariba posted:Does Bedelia even have any surgical skill? was that something ever brought up? because if not then I doubt she'd be able to remove her own leg XboxPants posted:Yeah, they've made it pretty clear from the beginning that the reason Will empathizes so much with serial killers is because he is one tiny step away from being one himself. And he knows it, and is terrified of it, and hates that part of himself. But it's still a part of him, a constant temptation that he can't deny. Which is why he has the temptation/repulsion relationship with Hannibal - it's the same temptation/repulsion relationship he has with himself. Wiggy Marie posted:- Hannibal's call to get Will's new address is pretty similar to the book. He basically flirts it out of the secretary. The difference is, Hannibal still despises Will. He gets the address because he feels Will was rude to him during their interaction, and he wants to punish him. One of Hannibal's first thoughts after getting the address is to send Will a colonoscomy bag, for old time's sake.
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Halloween Jack posted:Okay, there is one aspect of this show I am a big dumb ignorant stupidface about : why does Hannibal want to kill and eat Bedelia? What did she do to offend his sense of Hannibal is a crazy person.
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mcbexx posted:How rude. The rude should be eaten.
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A Tin Of Beans posted:As someone who's yet to read the book (and hasn't seen the movie, either) I really enjoyed this post. It was super interesting. Thanks for putting in the time/effort! You're very welcome! I love that book, in case it wasn't already obvious... Halloween Jack posted:Incidents like this one illustrate why I had mixed feelings about Hannibal the novel, and refused to read Hannibal Rising. I've heard that Thomas Harris was laughing all the way to the bank when he wrote Hannibal, having abandoned an original plan to make the series about Crawford confronting Lecter first through proxies, then finally doing it himself. Hannibal Rising goes all the way into making Lecter a sympathetic antihero who kills Nazis for being evil or degenerates for being "rude." I wondered if I was the only reader who remembered Hannibal as quite a "rude" person himself--not only evil, but quite petty and bitter. You're not the only one. Hannibal wasn't ever meant to be such a dominant character, and both Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs reflect that Harris was way more into his main characters, Graham and Starling, than he was into Hannibal. Unfortunately, popular opinion swayed toward Hannibal. If I'm not mistaken, he wrote Hannibal Rising because the DeLaurentis company, who owns the rights to the franchise, told him they'd make someone else write it if he refused. It is suitably ridiculous as a result.
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Fetus Tree posted:http://www.tvserial.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Schermata-2015-08-30-alle-00.13.20.png Is this shot another recreation of a Blake painting? They had a few shots during the Red Dragon part of this season which were clearly set up to imitate one and that frame in particular had that feel to it.
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Wiggy Marie posted:You're very welcome! I love that book, in case it wasn't already obvious... I'd really love to hear Harris' take on this Hannibal adaptation. They havn't shyed away from making Hannibal a nasty piece of work who destroys everything he touches, petty, sadistic, hypocritical, narcissistic then again he's a very charming, handsome, almost supernaturally smart nasty piece of work who, *once again*, has attracted legions of fans. Silly Abigails who think love is the answer and smart Bedelias who think they could win the chess match with the devil. I think he'd enjoy the creativity of the serial killers and their becoming, the attention to artistic detail, be a little miffed we didn't get to see much of the team sassy science who do a fantastic job turning evidence into real facts that lead to the killer, especially after Beverley's murder. He was was way into forensics before William Petersen made them cool in CSI. Will Graham (with a lot of Clarice mixed in) gets fully fleshed out as a person, damaged, lonely but less hopeless. I think book Will would have been more frequently repulsed by his interactions with Hannibal than enticed, Probably would have become a drunk after getting out of prison. Jack is, as always, calculating and willing to sacrifice anyone to get his man... but in the show, Fishburne gives him gravitas, there's a real care about the victims and future victims in a few rare scenes and of course Bella... The gender swaps really work for the characters Alana and Freddie. Reba is amazing not only does she survive but there's a moment where she's this close to gouging D's eyes out. Margot's not just the product of her brother's abuse and anger at her parents wanting a male heir. Well written flawed and strong female characters with as much capacity for cunning as the men. T He probably would have wanted more swearing though! I still relish that glorious moment where Multiple Miggs yells at Clarice and everyone's shifting in their seat because he said oval office - in a movie about a guy who skins women and a consultant cannibal sadist. Everytime I've seen it with friends, they sort of freeze up even though they know the movie! I think he'd approve and yes I think Hannibal Rising was one big 'gently caress you' for being forced to write about goddamned magical super special snowflake Hannibal again instead of strange minds, the toll of crime and crime solving on people.
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a shameful boehner posted:Let's look at the other - Blindspot: we will show you a naked tatooed lady every week, police procedural *with inexplicable twists!* - The Player: violence, big guns, big cars, explosions in slo mo. Will be cancelled because Wesley Snipes does not play well with others even when he needs a paycheck. - Heroes Reborn:. reboot of a show that fizzled out into a pile of poo poo - Chicago Med: spin off of Chicago PD which is a spin off of Chicago Fire. We're gonna milk Dick Wolf's procedural ideas and dramas (that we've seen a dozen times before in Dick Wolf shows et al) - Best Time Ever, feat. Neil Patrick Harris: He's a great showman but unless he's performing scripted shows on broadway, sustaining an hour every week is going to turn out horribly. - Truth be Told: sitcom about the most annoying people ever who over analyse everything and over share with their friends." nothing is out of bounds for this wildly outspoken foursome." They might bring up the subject of race to a laugh track with an outdated joke about your parents being polite racists. Or maybe the etiquette of going to a gay wedding party: do we dance to YMCA?! *laugh track* - Shades of Blue: quote from NBC "In a steamy new drama, the iconic Jennifer Lopez stars as sexy New York detective and single mother Harlee Santos, who fell in with a tight-knit group of dirty cops, taking bribes and protection money that she uses to provide the best life for her honest, talented daughter. But when she's trapped by the FBI and forced to inform on her own "brothers," she'll have to walk the fine line between love, loyalty, honor and betrayal, and try to keep it together for her daughter's future."  Re: The dragon slaying. I tried looking for a Blake drawing or painting that might fit that screencap and couldn't find anything similar but Blake sure loved a dramatic pose! It might be related to something different: maybe depicting two heros at Troy or an artwork regarding slaying a monstrous human such as Frankenstein's monster....
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n3wt posted:- Blindspot Oh boy I still haven't gotten tired of this formula after Battle Angel/Gunnm, Long Kiss Goodnight, Bourne Identity, Unknown, Memento...
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Steve Yun posted:Oh boy I still haven't gotten tired of this formula after Battle Angel/Gunnm, Long Kiss Goodnight, Bourne Identity, Unknown, Memento... I'm not sure your examples really support you here. Long Kiss Goodnight is amazing, Battle Angel and Bourne Identity are very good, and Memento was solid enough. I have no idea what Unknown is but if somebody cited all of those as influences or similar shows I'd be more interested, not less.
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The post I spent the thread looking for since I saw the finale!
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I hope it was worth the wait! There's plenty more I didn't even touch on, because it starts getting into nitty gritty details and I would rather people read the book to discover them than read my long-winded posts listing everything from the book!
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