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not sure how murdering two whole families and raping the mothers (in addition to the couple from S1E1's prologue) is not worth a huge police manhunt. Even in a world with Cello Bro, Robo-Furry, and the lady who turned people into hives, that's some scary poo poo
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Hatrocious posted:not sure how murdering two whole families and raping the mothers (in addition to the couple from S1E1's prologue) is not worth a huge police manhunt. Even in a world with Cello Bro, Robo-Furry, and the lady who turned people into hives, that's some scary poo poo Do they say that is all he has killed?
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Sep 3, 2015 18:45
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EmmyOk posted:Do they say that is all he has killed? I think they mentioned "2 families" a few times
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Sep 3, 2015 19:14
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A silly realism question, I know, but was there ever a reference to Hannibal's source of income? He doesn't seem to see very many patients.
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Sep 3, 2015 19:15
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Halloween Jack posted:A silly realism question, I know, but was there ever a reference to Hannibal's source of income? He doesn't seem to see very many patients. He's got family money I believe. I think he technically owns that whole estate in Lithuania.
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Sep 3, 2015 19:20
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Basebf555 posted:He's got family money I believe. I think he technically owns that whole estate in Lithuania. I've read that in the books he convinced some of his wealthy patients to will him their money. Maybe a book reader can comment?
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Sep 3, 2015 19:46
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I've read the series (except Rising) myself, but I just assumed he had made enough money as a psychiatrist to live comfortably. Perhaps he supplemented his income with skulduggery, but Hannthony Hopter lived a relatively quiet life. Whereas Maddibal Lectersen is an ex-doctor and therapist who barely practices, lives affluently well beyond what's required to patronize the opera, and pals around with FBI agents who don't look askance at his lifestyle.
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Sep 3, 2015 20:03
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Halloween Jack posted:I've read the series (except Rising) myself, but I just assumed he had made enough money as a psychiatrist to live comfortably. Perhaps he supplemented his income with skulduggery, but Hannthony Hopter lived a relatively quiet life. Whereas Maddibal Lectersen is an ex-doctor and therapist who barely practices, lives affluently well beyond what's required to patronize the opera, and pals around with FBI agents who don't look askance at his lifestyle. Like someone said he is probably old money.
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Sep 3, 2015 20:06
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Steve Yun posted:I've read that in the books he convinced some of his wealthy patients to will him their money. Maybe a book reader can comment? I believe this is correct. The show never mentioned it though, I think it was safe to assume he was just rich as hell. Much like how Will's dogs are merely understood to be taken care of when Will's not around/goes off on random forays. As a dog owner, that waw one thing that always annoyed me. You can't just go haring off whenever you want to, Will! You have like 18 dogs! In regards to Dolarhyde's crimes, we only actually saw one of two crime scenes, and there were no bodies still present. The show really downplayed his actual, physical crimes and focused more on his manifested crazy, and so it's easy to see it as nothing much when we've seen much worse on display. That brings up one thing that was touched on by Will in one episode: he didn't see any of these scenes "fresh," he saw them days or even weeks after the fact. It was why he needed to visit Hannibal to get in touch with his inner crazy - he didn't have bodies to help get him in the murder zone, so he needed to tap directly into a murderer's head instead. One thing the show didn't really explain for me was why he needed to tap into Hannibal's head, specifically. In the book it makes sense because Hannibal is really the only one he's caught and had put away, since he killed Hobbs. But in the show, there's quite a few still left (Stammets, the crazy mom chick, the totem pole guy...). I didn't understand why he had to go to Hannibal other than plot.
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Sep 3, 2015 20:18
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Wiggy Marie posted:That brings up one thing that was touched on by Will in one episode: he didn't see any of these scenes "fresh," he saw them days or even weeks after the fact. It was why he needed to visit Hannibal to get in touch with his inner crazy - he didn't have bodies to help get him in the murder zone, so he needed to tap directly into a murderer's head instead. A lot of guys have trouble preforming without some sort of visual stimuli.
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Sep 3, 2015 20:25
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It made sense to me because Will's ability to imagine a crime had clearly diminished somewhat during the timeskip, due to time away and what happened him before. Having someone of comparable intellect and ability to hash things out with makes sense.
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Wiggy Marie posted:I believe this is correct. The show never mentioned it though, I think it was safe to assume he was just rich as hell. Much like how Will's dogs are merely understood to be taken care of when Will's not around/goes off on random forays. As a dog owner, that waw one thing that always annoyed me. You can't just go haring off whenever you want to, Will! You have like 18 dogs! quote:In regards to Dolarhyde's crimes, we only actually saw one of two crime scenes, and there were no bodies still present. The show really downplayed his actual, physical crimes and focused more on his manifested crazy, and so it's easy to see it as nothing much when we've seen much worse on display.
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Fog Tripper posted:Did he even kill anyone outside of law enforcement folks and the gas station guy after they began to pursue him? Eating a priceless Blake watercolour will get the FBI art squad all fired up because insurance might not cover "acts of lunatics" and not want to pay out the squillions that painting was worth until the guy is in custody and they can prove willful destruction or something. Insurance companies hire their own "hunters" too... BUT Family murders are a big deal, either Hannibal or Chilton says it upstages any angel wings or totem poles or even the ripper because it hits at the heart of the american dream: the happy shiny nuclear family. // Note that Oeuf was left unaired and it revolved around family death. // Tattler crime is making good money reporting on the Tooth Fairy boogieman. That said, we're given so little background on the Dragon that he seems faded and dull after the first couple of episodes where we got to see him transform then the scene with the film shining out his eyes. One example, he takes out the cops with such ease because he's got military training and obviously very good aim to get a headshot from a moving car. This was revealed on twitter by Fuller during the live tweeting of that episode when it really should have been a line in the show *much earlier* to explain how he managed to shoot a driver in the dark from 100 yards away during Molly's escape, then Molly in the shoulder, again, in a swerving car. A throwaway line by Jack or Will in the hospital would have avoided the confusion. We're given one brief dinner scene with the grandmother that doesn't explain the biting obsession, the false teeth or the damage to Dolarhyde's psyche. All those shrinks and we only get a few titbits from Lecter: shy boy, thinks he's deformed. Same for the early episodes of this season, if Fuller had explained that the injured characters from the "red dinner" were all going through the motions of PTSD, especially Will, explaining the fogginess and complicated emotions of some of the early episodes while Hannibal is wining and dining it up across europe: It would of saved us all a lot of speculation and misunderstanding about unreliable narrators and the different directing styles of Hannibal's scenes vs Will's. Finally, we have to rely on Bedelia's predictions for Will (based on her own wacko choices) to understand Will's mindset at the end? We're supposed to buy that Will's not even going to try and empathise with D who's made multiple attemps to stop? For the sake of maybe getting Hannibal killed? To get D killed then kill Hannibal as Jack said? For the sake of just seeing how this all plays out? To get D killed then run away with Hannibal as the coda suggests? Great empathy can make for great cruelty is now Will's design? Because? Fuller's canon for this season part II seems to rely on us finding all about the Red Dragon from the books/movies then buying wholesale that Will wants to be with Hannibal (instead of Will wanting to save all the people he loves and having nothing else to live for since the attack on his family because he'll keep imagining it). I get that this series is more "show not tell" but we're not shown or told relevant information or it's foretold by crazy Bedelia.
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Sep 3, 2015 20:46
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Old Doggy Bastard posted:A lot of guys have trouble preforming without some sort of visual stimuli. Well said. Halloween Jack posted:I'm sure Hannibal came by and fed them for him. He did once but there was a lot of hand-waving with the dogs. Where are they while Molly's in the hospital? Vet forever? It's all very non-specific. It's not a huge deal, but it stuck out to me. It didn't ruin anything, just an amusing personal note.
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In the Firewall/Iceberg podcast, they seemed to infer that Bedelia has prepared her leg in the final scene for Hannibal (and maybe Will) in the final scene, but Fuller seems to have implied otherwise in his interviews, right?
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Josh Lyman posted:In the Firewall/Iceberg podcast, they seemed to infer that Bedelia has prepared her leg in the final scene for Hannibal (and maybe Will) in the final scene, but Fuller seems to have implied otherwise in his interviews, right? Fuller has implied that either Hannibal & Will or Lady Murasaki & Uncle Whoever is responsible for Bedelia's predicament.
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Sep 3, 2015 23:01
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Finally got around to seeing the finale. Murder husbandos in the end after all. It's all so romantic.  Also god drat Gillian Anderson, one leg or otherwise. I believe that's what's referred to as a mic drop. 
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HIJK posted:Uncle Whoever
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Entropic posted:Wait, who? Uncle David Bowie I believe he's the guy that raised Hannibal to be the lovely man he is today
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Entropic posted:Wait, who? CHiRAL posted:Uncle David Bowie More specifically, in the dreadful Hannibal Rising, the orphaned Hannibal is raised in France by his uncle Robert and his aunt, Lady Murasaki. The latter teaches him to be a samurai, for some reason, while the former (spoilers for this godawful book I guess?) dies of a heart attack early on. Fuller's stated several times he wanted Robert to appear on the series, portrayed by David Bowie, and his suggestions about this last episode have indicated that he'd be a bit more like Hannibal than his novelistic incarnation.
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I agree with this for the most part, especially about Dollarhyde. As others have already alluded to, I think the style of the show up to this point hurt the Dollarhyde storyline because as horrific as family murders are, they are still more mundane and grounded in reality than half the other serial killers that have been on the show. Red Dragon is a very realistic novel in that way; Dollarhyde's crimes are unique and terrifying because the characters in the book exist in a world that is much, much closer to reality than in the show. In the real world serial killers don't just break into a suburban house and murder everyone inside, it doesn't usually work that way. On the show Dollarhyde kinda just blended in with all of the other wackos who had committed similarly insane crimes.
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Basebf555 posted:I agree with this for the most part, especially about Dollarhyde. Counterpoint: Out of all the people in this show that mutilated Chilton, he did the most thorough job.
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I can't imagine what I would think of the Dolarhyde arc if I hadn't already read the book and seen both previous adaptations. It's easy to forget now that Buffalo Bill became the basis for a lot of lousy rip-offs--and some degree of parody, after people got tired of the rash of movies where a serial killer murders people in some ridiculously elaborate way, and then a detective psychoanalyzes ("profiles") the killer based on this ridiculous method. I can't find it, but does anybody else remember that Far Side cartoon where detectives are pondering over a body that's been hung upside-down from the ceiling, dressed in a suit of armor and flippers, with its head in a fishbowl? H.P. Shivcraft posted:More specifically, in the dreadful Hannibal Rising, the orphaned Hannibal is raised in France by his uncle Robert and his aunt, Lady Murasaki. The latter teaches him to be a samurai,
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Halloween Jack posted:I can't get over how stupid this is. So instead of writing a solid crime novel in which Hannibal would get a few pages at most: quick visit in the asylum because it's a former patient or they need his insight into something he's written a paper about... He wrote Hannibal the traumatized young child turning into a handsome but devilish young teen vs the nazis (or was it the russians? who cares), learning to be a samurai, hunting down the guys who ate Mischa across europe and killing them in gruesome crazy ways, always escaping the police or these guys' military skills. His uncle dies of a heart attack early on and his aunt kills herself in despair over Hannibal's lack of soul. So Hannibal is a surgeon, psychiatrist, sketch artist, marksman, fencer, knows martial arts, loves art and music, speaks multiple languages, reclaims ancient family owned art, lived at Castle Lecter, plays piano and has culinary skills. What a man! Shame he's soo soo damaged over his parents dying and his little sister being killed to be eaten by starving soldiers that he's developped a violent streak, don't you just want to give him a hug, maybe wubwub will save him?
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H.P. Shivcraft posted:More specifically, in the dreadful Hannibal Rising, the orphaned Hannibal is raised in France by his uncle Robert and his aunt, Lady Murasaki. The latter teaches him to be a samurai, for some reason, while the former (spoilers for this godawful book I guess?) dies of a heart attack early on. Fuller's stated several times he wanted Robert to appear on the series, portrayed by David Bowie, and his suggestions about this last episode have indicated that he'd be a bit more like Hannibal than his novelistic incarnation. I looked this poo poo up on the appropriate wikis. Of course Hannibal is a Count. 
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Apropos of nothing, I'd like to add how much I love the fight scenes in this show. I'm a sucker for a good fight scene that suits the style of the surrounding show/film.n3wt posted:What a man! Shame he's soo soo damaged over his parents dying and his little sister being killed to be eaten by starving soldiers that he's developped a violent streak, don't you just want to give him a hug, maybe wubwub will save him?
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That finale was fantastic though and I can't say it enough. Will's "gently caress it none of y'all are innocent UNLEASH THE HANNIBAL" and everything onwards was oddly the catharsis I wanted; Dolarhyde had him dead to rights and he needed Will's help, and Murder Husbando came through. I have never rooted for two men to kiss harder than that last scene. I'm disappointed they didn't but their little embrace was way more  and the jump from the cliff was total classical romanticism. I seriously would've been pissed if the season ended the way it did in season 2, but I think the ending here is perfect in every way and I actually prefer it to go out on that note than drag on for a few more sessions.Also Bedelia's growing horror punching through her smug icy facade as she slowly realizes Will don't give no fucks and is about to open Pandora's box was fantastic.
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I love the piano man fight scene when he walks in and starts twirling his wire, amazing.
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H.P. Shivcraft posted:More specifically, in the dreadful Hannibal Rising, the orphaned Hannibal is raised in France by his uncle Robert and his aunt, Lady Murasaki.
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Millie posted:Is it the movie that you're referring to as dreadful? I was actually surprised at how much I liked the book after reading the reviews. I think the reviews for the book might have been bad because it was a revenge story instead of a crime novel. I think him being taught how to be a samurai was a movie element. I hate them both and at this point my memory is so jumbled I don't remember the major differences between them, but I thought I remembered a part where Murasaki explains bushido to him or something. Really I feel like both of them are bad because the disdain Harris had for the project is palpable (not to mention the fact that I just don't think Hannibal as a character in any incarnation can carry a story alone).
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It's pretty amazing that he literally made Hannibal a samurai in the backstory out of clear spite for the fans of the character, and people still love that poo poo. I'm pretty sad that the later-added foreword of Red Dragon is about Hannibal instead of the actual main characters, Will or Dolarhyde. Dolarhyde, guys. One "l". I'd especially like to hear the process of characterizing Will, who's based on a real dude whose name escapes me. I will find a link and post it when I'm at a computer rather than on a phone!
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https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2015/sep/04/hannibal-fcc-complaints/ Aw yes.
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Hannibal is cool as an absolute but the more of him you try to explain the less interesting he becomes.
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"I find it offensive that this show has been given ratings the same as various episodes of The Big Bang Theory"
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 From the desk of Bryan Fuller, creator of Hannibal: "I'm so glad you got what I was going for! Thanks for watching!"
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EmmyOk posted:Like someone said he is probably old money. I remember reading a wiki about him manipulating patients to give him money in their wills or something. Edit: Oops, someone already mentioned it. Elderbean fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Sep 5, 2015 |
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hard counter posted:https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2015/sep/04/hannibal-fcc-complaints/ 2 dead bodies with strings in their bodies , they had been skinned hanging from celing while the hannibal man pouring a drink for another.
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Pornographically = he got a murder boner, oopsie.
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Chokes McGee posted:Counterpoint: Out of all the people in this show that mutilated Chilton, he did the most thorough job. I don't know, I would put having guts surgically removed over say, biting a face and setting a captive person on fire. But that's just me.
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