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Is it just me or was the Red Wheelbarrow worker that walked past Dom as she went to the loo Bobby Cannavale without his glasses/moustache?
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Whiterose built the quantum mirror laser thingy from Paycheck and is going to try and kill Ben Affleck and Uma Thurman, now.
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Nov 17, 2017 07:04
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Maybe all the parallel universe bizzaro stuff is just an affectation adopted by a scheming political force of nature to obscure their true purpose of simply taking over the world?
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Nov 17, 2017 07:41
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Maybe all the parallel universe bizzaro stuff is just an affectation adopted by a scheming political force of nature to obscure their true purpose of simply taking over the world? I like this theory
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Nov 17, 2017 07:49
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They annexed the Congo to get specific diamonds out of Solomon’s lost city. These will be used to power ultra powerful lasers needed for the fusion protoflux reactor. Also here is a picture of Angela 
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Nov 17, 2017 08:36
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I hope Mr. Robot doesn't get engulfed in molten rock!
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Rarity posted:Is it just me or was the Red Wheelbarrow worker that walked past Dom as she went to the loo Bobby Cannavale without his glasses/moustache?  It's just you. counterfeitsaint posted:I don't fully understand it, but from what I do understand, they had a backdoor where they'd update the UPS firmware with evil explody code. Elliott changed the UPSes so that they would only accepted updated firmware that was trusted and legit with a security certificate of some sort. So Angela got into the ultra secure airgapped computer and got a copy of the keys so they sign their firmware with the actual security certificate so the UPSse would once again accept their evil explody code. Accretionist posted:They covered more ground in two episodes than all of season 2 PhazonLink posted:Question about people that work in IT. Hey so call me crazy but is a single trash bin on fire really going to make that much smoke? (Nobody needs to reply to this.) DaveKap fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Nov 17, 2017 10:02
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DaveKap posted:
When I burned all my wife’s (ex-wife’s) stuff it took a solid week for her to recover from the smoke inhalation. So yes.
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Nov 17, 2017 10:25
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Blind Rasputin posted:When I burned all my wife’s (ex-wife’s) stuff it took a solid week for her to recover from the smoke inhalation. So yes. Hey Thread Blind Rasputin posted:Is the young Angela the same girl that Angela met earlier? She's the same girl who interviewed Angela in Whiterose's room. Welp, here's your loving time travel, thread! Edit: Or she was drugged and we weren't seeing reality during that interview or who the gently caress else knows. Honestly I wouldn't be too surprised if at this point Angela's the insane person and Elliot's the sane one. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Nov 17, 2017 10:57
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maskenfreiheit posted:Well they play fast and loose with psychiatry... the whole split personality thing is totally Hollywood. See now this, I can sort of buy into.
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Nov 17, 2017 12:45
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nickmeister posted:One thing that really disappointed me was that Eliot never got revenge on that drug dealer for killing his friend. But I guess he was bigger fish to fry now, lol! The show keeps coming back to this idea of "nobody has died/will die" like some sort of alternate reality. What do you want to bet that she'll be his reintroduction into the final season when they get to whatever conclusion Sam Esmail is aiming for?
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Nov 17, 2017 13:11
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Shooting Blanks posted:The show keeps coming back to this idea of "nobody has died/will die" like some sort of alternate reality. What do you want to bet that she'll be his reintroduction into the final season when they get to whatever conclusion Sam Esmail is aiming for? I bet nothing because that's an idiotic premise which reduces the stakes of everyone's collective actions to 0. I dunno why all of you want to buy in to clearly crazy Angela's delusions. Considering her connection to Price it seems plausible to me that Whiterose is simply having her drugged and abused to A)gently caress with price and B) maintain a well placed asset in E-corp. That even Elliot was saying she sounds crazy should give you some indication of where the show is headed.
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Nov 17, 2017 15:39
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I'll be incredibly entertained if Whiterose convinced Angela that reality's a simulation and their quantum computer can edit this reality.
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Nov 17, 2017 15:40
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Maybe all the parallel universe bizzaro stuff is just an affectation adopted by a scheming political force of nature to obscure their true purpose of simply taking over the world? I'm willing to accept that Whiterose legitimately believes she'll be able to control time/universes/whatever, but is also trying to establish world domination as a consolation prize.
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Nov 17, 2017 15:59
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The problem with cockteasing all this fantastical poo poo (which, set in a real world setting, becomes fascinating) is that to eventually go “ hey I knew we teased this and alluded to a character being convinced it was real but we’re going to do a hasty 180 and just drop that poo poo with a “it was all a lie! We just wanted financial superiority!” is tantamount to having a movie about aliens taking over the world and get right to where the ships land and the doors are opening and then, smash cut, a kid wakes up, the whole thing was a dream! Now it’s a movie about a family drama. Like, I don’t mind Mr. Robot being about a hacker and the societal aftermath of their actions, but don’t lean so heavily on this other crazy poo poo if you’re just gonna handwave it. And that’s why I think the crazy poo poo might be real.
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Nov 17, 2017 16:37
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Yeah I don't think Esmail would so heavily tease reality fuckery (even with the editing, the way what "we" see has been glitching when Elliot/Mr. Robot swap) and then go "lmao nah just kiddin' yall" For better or worse, whether you like it or not, I'm pretty sure some genuine Weird poo poo is gonna go down, or it's going to be completely ambiguous and Lynchian, which is functionally the same thing from the audience POV Angela meeting her younger self kinda cements that for me. You don't just do something like that "for the lulz"
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Nov 17, 2017 16:44
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When Irving chats with Angela in the Red Wheelbarrow she asks him if Whiterose showed him. Irving goes into a monologue about how technology is become so crazy, that no one can predict what happens next. Nearly every episode this season has teased something regarding parallel realities. I'm expecting that to be the reveal at the end of this season, season 4 deals with that aftermath
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Nov 17, 2017 18:03
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Maybe there is a parallel universe/reset but Whiterose couldn't get the U.S. / Price behind it because they had no reason to, but now they do? Or maybe Whiterose knows about us too and is just loving with us?
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My problem with these theories is why the show would introduce time travel/alternate dimensions 4 years into its run? My assumption all along has been that Esmail is playing the audience with these ideas as he has with many other tropes throughout the series. The show's POV so far has been to depict Elliot as a mentally ill unreliable narrator, with all "real life" consequences stemming from that fact. Tyrell and Angela are now shown to be highly unstable as well. I'm on the fence on whether Whiterose is just as delusional wrt time travel or if it's just another page in her playbook to sow influence and control. I lean to the former, and that her quest will result in a bad accident with the accelerator that fucks up the world even more, but WILL NOT actually involve alternate realities or time travel or anything. In short, if Mr. Robot becomes just another time fuckery show, I will be severely disappointed. Laterite fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Harminoff posted:Maybe there is a parallel universe/reset but Whiterose couldn't get the U.S. / Price behind it because they had no reason to, but now they do? This is actually a really good idea. Destroy the US so that the US Government has a reason to want an alternate reality machine. Alternate realities I would be fine with. I don't really want to see time travel and causality fuckery. I kind of like the idea of Mr Robot being Elliot from another reality and having essentially hacked his brain across realities. It's similar to how things work in Neal Stephenson's Anathem.
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Nov 17, 2017 19:29
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The Dark Wind posted:Totally forgot about the particle collider at the beginning of the season, didn't register it. Right before the start of the dialogue with Whiterose, there's a random scientist guiding some other folks around and he says the following: Yes this has been telegraphed since early-mid season 2
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Harminoff posted:Maybe there is a parallel universe/reset but Whiterose couldn't get the U.S. / Price behind it because they had no reason to, but now they do? lmaooo season finale cliffhanger with Whiterose looking into the camera and addressing the audience would be fuuuuuuuucked and I hope it happens
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Nov 17, 2017 20:03
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Laterite posted:My problem with these theories is why the show would introduce time travel/alternate dimensions 4 years into its run? My assumption all along has been that Esmail is playing the audience with these ideas as he has with many other tropes throughout the series. The show's POV so far has been to depict Elliot as a mentally ill unreliable narrator, with all "real life" consequences stemming from that fact. Tyrell and Angela are now shown to be highly unstable as well. I'm on the fence on whether Whiterose is just as delusional wrt time travel or if it's just another page in her playbook to sow influence and control. I lean to the former, and that her quest will result in a bad accident with the accelerator that fucks up the world even more, but WILL NOT actually involve alternate realities or time travel or anything. its not introducing it 4 years in, it started foreshadowing this stuff pretty heavily in season 2 To quote a post I made like a month ago: d0grent posted:Season 2 Episode 5 - when Dom is speaking with whiterose/zhang in his bedroom Besides, the idea that reality is a computer simulation wouldn't feel out of place in a show about computer hacking, even if it is an ambitious route to take with the plot.
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Nov 17, 2017 20:04
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And, as pointed out earlier in the thread, It was mentioned in season 1 that Eliot and Angelas favorite movie growing up was Back to the Future 2, which would definitely be the one movie in the series that heavily deals with alternate timelines. I'm not a big fan of the thought that the show is going this route, but the signs are definitely there.
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The Dark Wind posted:Totally forgot about the particle collider at the beginning of the season, didn't register it. Right before the start of the dialogue with Whiterose, there's a random scientist guiding some other folks around and he says the following: even if you can jump from reality to reality, her parents are still dead. unless they want to pull a rick & morty and just feel no attachment and swap realities when poo poo hits the fan one movie they seem to have not ripped off yet is the matrix, so maybe white rose will just shove angela into a matrix where her mommy is alive
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I guess they decided to end the plotline where white rose is a lady. The last few episodes she’s looked pretty manly.
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Here's an idea I came up with stoned: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk There's this "thought experiment" that goes that, in the far future, a highly developed AI creates the technology to simulate long-dead humans using remaining historical data and But what if that's what Whiterose is selling? "Help me build a computer that can recreate anyone from memory or mementos, like a souped up version of the sexbot in Black Mirror." It fits thematically with S1 showing how much of our daily lives are recording online, but can also be subverted by the positive bias in most people's social media profiles. And if it can recreate people, it can also duplicate them forever, no matter the time since they were duplicated. (And, hence, help Whiterose get around her mortality.) e: Poppyseed Poundcake posted:I guess they decided to end the plotline where white rose is a lady. The last few episodes she’s looked pretty manly. I'm 99% sure that Whiterose is supposed to be a trans women, a type of person not very welcome in the Chinese government. Just because she hasn't been alone or with accepting people, and hence is in "guy mode" as trans women call it, doesn't mean she isn't daydreaming about dresses and pickles. T-man fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:I guess they decided to end the plotline where white rose is a lady. The last few episodes she’s looked pretty manly. I can't tell if you're being serious? White Rose is a lady, and is the alter-ego of Chinese Minister of State Security Zhi Zhang, who is a man. The Minister has always presented as male, and White Rose has always presented as female. It is unknown whether they are one personality or two. It's possible if the alternate reality thing is real, that Mr. Robot and White Rose are hacking in from the other reality, and White Rose is allied with Minister Zhang, instead of being enemies like Elliot and Mr. Robot. edit: ^ That's also basically the technology from the end of A.I.
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Blind Rasputin posted:Is the young Angela the same girl that Angela met earlier? DaveKap posted:http://www.imdb.com/name/nm6403396/?ref_=tt_cl_t13 I think this is huge. Also when I went back to rewatch both of these scenes I noticed the message on the cake in the flashback: 
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DaveKap posted:Hey Thread quote:Interesting! Okay, forgotten. The girl asking the questions looks like a young Angela. Coincidental, or deliberate?
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Gobbeldygook posted:One of the writers talked about that scene at the time. unreliable narrators is part of the fabric of the show. we are figments of Elliot's imagination. i really like all the parallel dimension hints in the show, but i still think there are strong 'realistic' reasons for what we're seeing. Eg, the flashback Angela had, who's to say she didn't replace her mental image of herself with the girl that she was interrogated by? At this point, I think it's safe to say Angela's memories are suspect and it might be reasonable to say Whiterose is omniscient enough to know exactly what buttons to push for Angela.
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Skizzzer posted:unreliable narrators is part of the fabric of the show. we are figments of Elliot's imagination. Well, that whole "interview" was nothing but a twisted psych profiling session, and if you think Whiterose doesn't do due diligence and had her previously profiled every way from Sunday, with the interview designed to lock down anything they had questions about, I think you would be sadly mistaken.
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Nov 17, 2017 21:41
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I thought that this was the season finale, and that the ep ended like 3 times at the end. Each time I was so relieved. I'm glad they showed what he was seeing. thought they were gonna be cheap and cliff hang us but they didn't. Shows good
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KoRMaK posted:I thought that this was the season finale, and that the ep ended like 3 times at the end. Yeah and with all the teasing of parallel dimensions I was not expecting the huge terrorist attack to be the reveal.
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d0grent posted:its not introducing it 4 years in, it started foreshadowing this stuff pretty heavily in season 2 Fans reading into innocuous dialogue isn't really foreshadowing though. Also, it would feel extremely out of place in a show about hacking that is actual. I think there is a huge misunderstanding about how accurate the hacking is in this show. That is to say, very. Blowing up ups's is a little extreme, but everything else has been very legit. This would be like watching Mindhunter, and one of the characters suddenly becoming psychic like Professor Xavier.
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Nov 17, 2017 21:59
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What if young Angela is a clone? Human cloning isn't too far out of left field. White Rose, being a weirdo manipulative type, clones Angela, then uses the clone to trick her into thinking WR can jump between parallel universes or time travel or whatever.
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Samizdata posted:Well, that whole "interview" was nothing but a twisted psych profiling session, and if you think Whiterose doesn't do due diligence and had her previously profiled every way from Sunday, with the interview designed to lock down anything they had questions about, I think you would be sadly mistaken. oh absolutely. lots to gush about lately, but I particularly appreciated Elliot being the guy now saying "what the gently caress is wrong with you" rather than the other way around.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:I bet nothing because that's an idiotic premise which reduces the stakes of everyone's collective actions to 0. Yeah, this show has never tried misdirection. Not even once.
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Samizdata posted:Well, that whole "interview" was nothing but a twisted psych profiling session, and if you think Whiterose doesn't do due diligence and had her previously profiled every way from Sunday, with the interview designed to lock down anything they had questions about, I think you would be sadly mistaken. This seems like the most likely situation. Angela was already in an incredibly delicate situation, and had literally just put their entire plant operation at risk. Kidnapping her and loving with her head is a much quieter solution compared to putting two bullets in her, particularly given her connection to Elliot and his usefulness to the Dark Army Shooting Blanks posted:Yeah, this show has never tried misdirection. Not even once. Yeah the misdirection is predicated on Elliot lying to us, his imaginary friend, about aspects of his reality or disease. Why the gently caress do you think this show about hacking features some type of chinese witch? If Whiterose really has such amazing things in store at the end of her plan, why not simply bring elliot or Price into the fold by demonstrating it to them? Why the subterfuge? (Hint: It's because the show is loving with you)
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