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I hope there is time travel. Think about it. Hints at time travel all season. A long build up. Show something or some sequence of events that could possibly be construed as time travel. And then Elliot takes down White Rose and destroys the device before it can be activated on screen. You're always left wondering if it would have worked, if it did work in the past, and what happens now.
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I think people keep flossing over the fact the address who played Young Angela this season was the same one as the little girl in the room last season. So does that mean Angela met her past self in that room? Or just someone who looks like her? 🤔
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Dec 20, 2017 08:09
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Martian Manfucker posted:I never thought watching television was a skill that some people could lack until I found TVIV. I will ban myself if season 4 or 5 features literal alternate dimensions and/or time travel. I can't think of anything more thematically distant to Mr Robot than actual time traveling illuminati, jesus christ. maskenfreiheit posted:I think people keep flossing over the fact the address who played Young Angela this season was the same one as the little girl in the room last season. 1- They never show what happened in that room and Mr. Robot becomes Lost. 2- They show it and it's just some form of hypnosis. Yawn. 3- They show it and it's something time-travel/inter-dimensional related. 4- They do something nobody here has guessed at yet. At this point, the only good options are 3 and 4 but the ardent realists (who, at this point, are probably right since it's a bit on the late side for explaining how Whiterose "manipulates" people) still have yet to come up with anything other than option 1/2 so either they're right and the show is Lost/boring or they're wrong and we get something unrealistic or unpredictable. I'm betting on #4 but that's only because I really want this show to wrap up on a high note. Edit: It is worth noting that plenty of folks have said that what we saw was what Angela saw and her perspective is as accurate and reliable as Elliot's is. Alternately she was convinced because "wishing was the good part" or whatever it is Elliot talked to her about through her front door. Either way, it isn't explained what happened in that room to make her devoted to Whiterose. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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Dec 20, 2017 09:02
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DaveKap posted:You sure are mad about people falling for a trick made by a show runner to force online speculation. I am pretty sure LOST was option 3
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Dec 20, 2017 10:17
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DeafNote posted:I am pretty sure LOST was option 3 Leaving behind direct questions that need answering is what I mean when I say a show is becoming Lost. Twin Peaks Season 3 was Lost, for certain, but that's what everyone expected of it so that's fine. I don't think it's fine if Mr. Robot leaves anything to the imagination when all is said and done unless it pulls off some artistic ending trying to comment on the state of the mind blah blah blah but, whatever it is, it won't make not knowing Angela's experience feel like an OK thing to leave out. Edit: BTW a random thing that went unmentioned since the finale... Price saying that he's Angela's father "but not really" because he didn't raise her? That's more humble than I expected out of him and kinda made me feel warm fuzzies when he said it. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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Dec 20, 2017 11:37
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It would make no sense that Whiterose plant/secret project if something related to bitcoin mining because that plant/project is much older than bitcoins, since its also responsible for the death of Elliot's father and Angela's mother a long time ago We dont know what that is, but Im 100% certain that it is something about a ground-breaking tech that does not exists on the real world. I might be that Price is right: Whiterose is insane and delusional, and her project is just that: crazyness. But how likely it is that this TV show would hint about this super secret project being something fantastic for 3 seasons, make it the motivation behind the main villain actions, a villain who is pictured as some kind of super genius, ahead of a super powerful international crime organization doing all kinds of crazy awful stuff (like killing thousands and making China annex a country) just to advance the project, all this just to finally reveal that.... Whiterose is just mad and did it all for a stupid insane delusion? I think is very unlikely
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Dec 20, 2017 12:37
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Elias_Maluco posted:It would make no sense that Whiterose plant/secret project if something related to bitcoin mining because that plant/project is much older than bitcoins, since its also responsible for the death of Elliot's father and Angela's mother a long time ago Thanks for bringing this up, I didn’t think about the plant at all. I’m on board with the quantum computer. And Elliot will discern how it works in about 15 seconds because he is Hackerman.
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Dec 20, 2017 12:59
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Lost answered the major thematic questions is posed, not to everyone's satisfaction certainly, but the things it left unanswered are mostly little finicky things. Lost was a Good Show, with a (mostly) Good Ending. If Mr Robot ended up like Lost that would be fine with me, because I loved Lost! Buuut I know what you mean when you say you're afraid Mr Robot will end up that way. Lost was a hugely flawed show, but I think most "mystery box" type shows that follow in its footsteps have learned from its mistakes, such that I don't think major concepts like the presence time travel and alternate dimensions are just red herrings. Will actual time travel etc happen in show? I don't really think so, but it seems incredibly likely that Whiterose not only believes in it but is obsessed by it, which drives all her actions and will probably lead to some kind of breakdown or character epiphany if/when she finally finds out that despite all her work and sacrifices it is impossible. That would be a very Mr Robot conclusion to me!
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Dec 20, 2017 13:32
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Maybe I've missed something, but can someone give an example of when Whiterose has been portrayed as a "Super Genius?" She's certainly been portrayed as a rich, powerful, very eccentric person. We've also seen lately that she can become quite unhinged, and I believe Irving mentioned something about it in the last episode. Imagine you are meeting with someone, their watch beeps and then they tell you you are out of time and walk away. You would definitely think that person is a little odd, if not straight up crazy.
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Dec 20, 2017 15:10
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The series finale will be Elliot time traveling back to Nazi Germany and killing Hitler while he's on the shitter. *cue the piano cover for Where Is My Mind*
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Dec 20, 2017 15:13
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White Rose controls people by giving them delusions and alternate personalities. She did it to Elliot as a child, his dad found out and was killed for it, and that's why White Rose trusts Elliot. The project is a machine that will cause similar delusions to the rest of the world. There- SciFi without time travel.
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Dec 20, 2017 18:01
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Elliot doesn't actually exist, mystery solved lock thread tia.
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Dec 20, 2017 18:08
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Dumb question: I have every episode of this show on my DVR, and I'm not sure I want to read a bunch of spoilery posts to find out if the opinion on this show is good or not. Is it still worth watching at this point? From the beginning to now? Or is it one of those shows like Glee where the thread is hate-watching and I should walk away after the first season? I know this is a really awkward and subjective ask, but basically I want to know if it's good or not because my DVR is slowly collecting a lot of episodes of this show and I'll watch em eventually if you goons think it's great or clear out a shitload if not.
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Dec 20, 2017 21:13
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Craptacular! posted:Dumb question: I have every episode of this show on my DVR, and I'm not sure I want to read a bunch of spoilery posts to find out if the opinion on this show is good or not. Is it still worth watching at this point? From the beginning to now? Or is it one of those shows like Glee where the thread is hate-watching and I should walk away after the first season? It is a very good show. Watch it all.
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Dec 20, 2017 21:17
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Craptacular! posted:Dumb question: I have every episode of this show on my DVR, and I'm not sure I want to read a bunch of spoilery posts to find out if the opinion on this show is good or not. Is it still worth watching at this point? From the beginning to now? Or is it one of those shows like Glee where the thread is hate-watching and I should walk away after the first season?
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Dec 20, 2017 21:18
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maskenfreiheit posted:I think people keep flossing over the fact the address who played Young Angela this season was the same one as the little girl in the room last season. Do you think Elliot is dead and living in the afterlife? Its called unreliable narrator.
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Dec 20, 2017 21:53
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If every weird thing in the show ends up as "lol Elliot is an unreliable narrator" that's going to be a pretty disappointing ending.
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Dec 20, 2017 21:57
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GutBomb posted:If every weird thing in the show ends up as "lol Elliot is an unreliable narrator" that's going to be a pretty disappointing ending. Every weird thing? That's an odd dichotomy. Can't just ... some things end up that way?  We know for a fact that this show is willing to mislead the audience. Perception is one of the key themes. Mike the TV posted:White Rose controls people by giving them delusions and alternate personalities. She did it to Elliot as a child, his dad found out and was killed for it, and that's why White Rose trusts Elliot. The project is a machine that will cause similar delusions to the rest of the world. There- SciFi without time travel. That feels a little too Dr. Who for something like Mr. Robot.
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Dec 20, 2017 22:05
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maskenfreiheit posted:I think people keep flossing over the fact the address who played Young Angela this season was the same one as the little girl in the room last season.
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Dec 20, 2017 22:07
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Gluten Freeman posted:Lost answered the major thematic questions is posed, not to everyone's satisfaction certainly, but the things it left unanswered are mostly little finicky things. No way. Lost wrote themselves into a corner with no plan for an ending and just kinda tossed up their hands and said  Okay, its magic, we lied before when we said it wasn't going to be magic.I mean the problems aren't really thematic, but they're not little finicky things either. GutBomb posted:If every weird thing in the show ends up as "lol Elliot is an unreliable narrator" that's going to be a pretty disappointing ending. It'd also be weird if a show that deceives its audience on the regular just suddenly... stopped doing that and played everything straight.
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Dec 20, 2017 22:08
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Gobbeldygook posted:No, goon enjoyment of Mr. Robot is real and sincere. It has not degenerated into a modern Dexter. don't you dare sully mr robot by comparing it to that filth
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Dec 20, 2017 22:14
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Craptacular! posted:Dumb question: I have every episode of this show on my DVR, and I'm not sure I want to read a bunch of spoilery posts to find out if the opinion on this show is good or not. Is it still worth watching at this point? From the beginning to now? Or is it one of those shows like Glee where the thread is hate-watching and I should walk away after the first season? As an art piece, Mr. Robot evokes strong emotion. For that alone it is a must-watch. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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Dec 20, 2017 22:35
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Craptacular! posted:Dumb question: I have every episode of this show on my DVR, and I'm not sure I want to read a bunch of spoilery posts to find out if the opinion on this show is good or not. Is it still worth watching at this point? From the beginning to now? Or is it one of those shows like Glee where the thread is hate-watching and I should walk away after the first season? Show is great. Still my favorite current show 3 seasons in.
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Dec 20, 2017 23:38
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DaveKap posted:Even though I hate post a bunch of nit-picky bullshit about the show, I still think that from start to end it is worth watching over a vast majority of other television. My complaints happen primarily because I see the cracks in this amazing show that, if addressed, could have transcended the entire series to the level that made season 1 an incredible hit. Though seasons 2 and 3 are inconsistent in editing, themes, vibes, plot structure, and general show-running, these things still end up vastly superior and more entertaining than other TV shows, bolstered by the consistently amazing acting, dialog, and sound editing. Mac Quayle, who writes the show's music, is a genius and whoever is responsible for the placement/editing of his music into the show deserves the highest praise. Yeah I agree with all of this. Season 2 and 3 have some flaws compared to 1 but overall the show is still better and works harder than 95% of what's on tv.
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Dec 20, 2017 23:42
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personally it's s3, s1, then s2 to me. I don't quite understand the critiques against the editing... nothing egregious stands out to me
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Dec 21, 2017 00:13
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Call it conditioning based on stories and TV and movies, but I felt like there was so much leadup/teasing to time travel and alternate dimensions with the little mentions and easter eggs, and then the last 2 episodes just went SO hard in the "NAH, ITS NOT THAT. ANGELA IS WRONG. WHITEROSE IS MENTAL! EVERYTHING IS NORMAL!" that it actually made me kind of suspicious again. You know what I mean? Not hopeful, or counting on weird sci-fi poo poo. But how adamantly the finale tries to wrap up the speculation feels almost like a misdirection. Now that you are convinced it's Sci Fi, I'm here to convince you it's not... etc etc... Who knows. just sayin...
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Skizzzer posted:personally it's s3, s1, then s2 to me. Of all of the issues I have with the editing of S2/S3, the only one that I think actually tracks across entire seasons and comes close to being a "large" problem is the over-use and misappropriation of the "wrong half" camera shot. There's some other description for this (after a quick Google, it's called "shortsighting") but it's the Mr. Robot trope of having a person's face framed such that it's right up against one side of the camera while the rest of the shot is an out-of-focus background. (Uh oh, I'm not summarizing anymore. Time for course correction.) In summary, shortsighting was used in very specific, intentional ways during Season 1 but come Season 2 and 3, was mostly used "just to make a shot look cool" and used entirely too much. It reeks of someone just trying to cut and paste the best techniques to ensure the show continues to look good without putting enough thought into why it's good. Edit: And like most of my posts, I think of another completely random topic I have yet to post about... This season didn't get a dream sequence. That kinda disappoints me. They're usually the most artistically interesting points in the season. Closest we really got in S3 was the one-take episode. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Dec 21, 2017 |
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It's a little early to call but I'd definitely rank S3 > S2 > S1. For me the show's just been getting better and better, not necessarily because the plot itself keeps improving but because the actual craftmanship put into the episodes just keeps improving. The cold open/title card game alone is extremely strong on this show.
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precision posted:It's a little early to call but I'd definitely rank S3 > S2 > S1. For me the show's just been getting better and better, not necessarily because the plot itself keeps improving but because the actual craftmanship put into the episodes just keeps improving. The cold open/title card game alone is extremely strong on this show.
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DaveKap posted:Of all of the issues I have with the editing of S2/S3, the only one that I think actually tracks across entire seasons and comes close to being a "large" problem is the over-use and misappropriation of the "wrong half" camera shot. There's some other description for this (after a quick Google, it's called "shortsighting") but it's the Mr. Robot trope of having a person's face framed such that it's right up against one side of the camera while the rest of the shot is an out-of-focus background. (Uh oh, I'm not summarizing anymore. Time for course correction.) In summary, shortsighting was used in very specific, intentional ways during Season 1 but come Season 2 and 3, was mostly used "just to make a shot look cool" and used entirely too much. It reeks of someone just trying to cut and paste the best techniques to ensure the show continues to look good without putting enough thought into why it's good.
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Gorn Myson posted:Jesus, I'm not the only one that noticed this then. Its rare that something just annoys me on a purely visual level but I found that framing of characters incredibly irritating when re-watching season 2 and I started to wonder if Esmail just watched too many Tom Hooper movies. It ended up creating this sense of unease and distance throughout the show particularly in places where he could have hit a more effective tone had he been more deliberate with his choices (although I do understand his constraints). One of my friends actually cites Esmail's older work as proof that "he can work short form amazingly well but give him a long form TV show to direct and you only get to see his skills occasionally." With this thought, I could imagine he expends most of his efforts on the title cards and those couple "last 20 minute" high intensity scenes. I swear to god I only analyze entertainment this hard when I really, really like it! DaveKap fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Dec 21, 2017 |
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Dec 21, 2017 02:23
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Gluten Freeman posted:Lost answered the major thematic questions is posed, not to everyone's satisfaction certainly, but the things it left unanswered are mostly little finicky things. Lost was a Good Show, with a (mostly) Good Ending. If Mr Robot ended up like Lost that would be fine with me, because I loved Lost! If, during the third to final episode of Mr. Robot, Darlene stops in the middle of a scene, looks directly at the camera and says "By the way stop asking questions, because the answers will always just lead to more questions. There never were any answers and it's actually been all about the journey since the beginning." I will find you and I will punch you through the internet.
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DaveKap posted:To elaborate (now that someone in this thread actually agrees with me for once...) there are two weird parts about this. The first being that the guy who directed cinematography, Tod Campbell, was on for all episodes of this show except episode 1... and somehow got it right in Season 1 but went wacky for it afterwards. The second being that Sam Esmail's request for negative space and Tod's compliance was essentially what got Tod hired. (See: End of this article - http://www.vulture.com/2015/09/mr-robot-visually-striking-cinematography.html ) I still don't know which of them to blame for this but I have, up until now, been saying it's Esmail's fault for not being the only director on Season 1 but then taking the reigns 100% since then. In other words, he George Lucas'd it. I'd say the fault is Esmail's but at the same time I empathise with him. I think hes just put himself in a position to overwork himself, and you can tell in certain scenes where hes just out of ideas and just wings it with mixed results. He just needs to be more willing to just let go of the reigns and let someone else in to do some work so he can focus himself. Its late here but I'm going to read the link you've posted there and I'm going to dig up some of his other directorial work tomorrow so I can see whats going on here. I mean gently caress it, apparently I'm at the very least going to see some above average short movies.
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Dec 21, 2017 02:57
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s1>s3>s2 is the correct order
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counterfeitsaint posted:If, during the third to final episode of Mr. Robot, Darlene stops in the middle of a scene, looks directly at the camera and says "By the way stop asking questions, because the answers will always just lead to more questions. There never were any answers and it's actually been all about the journey since the beginning." I will find you and I will punch you through the internet. I will accept my fate if that comes to pass.
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I rewatched Season 2 over the last 3 days and outside of Elliots plot I found it to be pretty compelling in a binge watch format.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:s1>s3>s2 is the correct order I mean... come the gently caress on, folks.  So... I guess as a complete package, S3 > S2 but for individual amazing moments, S2 > S3.
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Mike the TV posted:White Rose controls people by giving them delusions and alternate personalities. She did it to Elliot as a child, his dad found out and was killed for it, and that's why White Rose trusts Elliot. A project is a machine that will cause similar delusions to the rest of the world. There- SciFi without time travel. White Rose doesn't control people or travel through time, but can send some information back through time. Anyone who uses that information to change things suffers mental and physical effects as a result. Eliot is more tolerant to those effects than most. Eliot's dad being sick was a new thing, probably related to the plant being the end point for received information. Him keeping it from his family was an attempt to keep his family moving down the same path they did previously, as long as they didn't know the impact would be minimal. When Eliot left him at the theatre it was a bigger divergence than he could handle and he died. White-Roses obsession with time is her attempt to keep as much as possible exactly the same as it was previously as to reduce the negative effects of having that information.
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See, now we're getting some interesting theories! With that one, we'll basically get a reverse of what was at the start/end of Memento. Elliot will send a photo of himself back in time to Whiterose with the message "trust everything he says and does."
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Kawasaki Nun posted:s1>s3>s2 is the correct order Yes. I like the 3 of them, but S1 is pretty much a masterpiece S2 aint bad, but so slow and in retrospect you realize that Elliot part of it is really kinda filler. Very good filler, but filler. Sitcom episode was amazing, though S3 starts slow too but than picks up by the middle of it and becomes more like 1
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