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nooneofconsequence posted:She said "you will not leave us" clearly meaning her and the baby. Hmm, that's an interesting point.
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I'm pretty sure the whole reveal will be that Mr Robot is his dad that he forgot and that it's his mother that is dead. I actually can't remember him mentioning his mother at all in the show? Anyone remember him mentioning his mom? Also it's interesting that the show doesn't shy away from using the word gently caress and instead just kind of soft mutes it. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Hollismason posted:I'm pretty sure the whole reveal will be that Mr Robot is his dad that he forgot and that it's his mother that is dead. I actually can't remember him mentioning his mother at all in the show? Anyone remember him mentioning his mom? I don't believe so, but we have seen his mom in flashbacks, albeit given that his memory is hosed, they probably should be taken with a grain of salt at this point. Also, interesting note. This was the article about the shooting at the arcade from the pilot episode that Elliot found while he was trying to research fsociety.  Bernadette Pino is also a name listed on the recent call list of the cheating guy's phone.  It could be coincidence or just lazy writing/set design, but given how meticulous the show has been regarding what it wants the audience to see, I'm having trouble chalking this up to that.
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I don't know how they're going to stretch the show for 5 seasons when it really turns out that Elliot is wearing a straightjacket, sitting in the corner of a padded room, rocking back and forth and mumbling jibberish. None of this world or these people exist. Of maybe the other hackers and co-workers are just the doctors, nurses, and orderlies that come check on him and give him shock treatment. That's just not enough to stretch out 50-60 episodes, sorry. This show is loving amazing and that is why I need to force myself to stop watching now, so they don't ruin it for me. Good job with the show, I'm done with it. I love it, and never watching it ever again. Or maybe I already have watched it and I just forgot? poo poo! Tell me you're seeing this too?
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Max Hammer posted:This show is loving amazing and that is why I need to force myself to stop watching now, so they don't ruin it for me. Good job with the show, I'm done with it. I love it, and never watching it ever again. Or maybe I already have watched it and I just forgot? poo poo! Tell me you're seeing this too? 
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Aug 14, 2015 18:24
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I'm sorry but I don't see how his dad is alive. Especially after he showed up at his door right after the reveal. His timing is too spot on in a lot of his appearances.
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Grem posted:I'm sorry but I don't see how his dad is alive. Especially after he showed up at his door right after the reveal. His timing is too spot on in a lot of his appearances.
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Aug 14, 2015 18:54
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I came out of the episode thinking the ghost dad reveal was as well done as it could be given the foreshadowing, but didn't consider live dad or 50/50 dad could be things until I read them here. In retrospect that scene is brilliant because it wasn't a reveal. What we saw could absolutely support any of those theories. Now I hope we never get a reveal and its forever ambiguous.
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Aug 14, 2015 19:37
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Trabant posted:I feel this is slightly more likely than Elliot's unreliable brain/narration subbing Dead Mom for Dead Dad. Is that scene at the dinner party the only time she mentions Elliots Dad? I ask because if you watch it again she ends mid sentence, she could have easily gone on to say '...and Elliots Dad had a breakdown after his mum died" or something to that effect. Or it could just be as people have said, they met later and she really doesn't know. Grem posted:I'm sorry but I don't see how his dad is alive. Especially after he showed up at his door right after the reveal. His timing is too spot on in a lot of his appearances. It's not really right after though, Elliot has time to go home and research himself, likely taking a few hours to do so. It would be easy for Darlene to phone him and tell him to check on Elliot.
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Aug 14, 2015 19:41
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Just out of curiosity, did anyone catch the opera Wellick was listening to in his office while he was hacking?
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Grem posted:I'm sorry but I don't see how his dad is alive. Especially after he showed up at his door right after the reveal. His timing is too spot on in a lot of his appearances. Yeah, like when he magically appears in the lobby of his apartment without Vera's brother and goon noticing. Nobody else has seen the photos, of course, so it's possible Slater is not his dad and he's just imagining him in all of these carefully posed pictures that almost entirely omit his mom and sister. gently caress, this show.
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Aug 14, 2015 21:40
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In last week's episode when Mr. Robot and Romero were talking Romero tells Mr. Robot to "tell the kids I said hi." Which could be interpreted multiple ways.
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Aug 14, 2015 21:56
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Did I miss it, or what is Angela getting out of the deal with the old CTO? I don't remember her mentioning that he has to testify against E-Corp, she just got the "truth" about what happened, which doesn't seem that useful to her case. There are a lot of exposure now it seems, the FBI will be all over her and Eliot now that their case is in jeopardy; no way they let this go, especially with their connection, and now her seemingly wanting to cash in on it with a legal suit. It doesn't seem worth it, unless she was playing the executioner and wanted confirmation before dropping the hammer.. I doubt the character is seeing it like this through; her plan just doesn't make sense to me. This is a tv show, so I am sure the dad is not dead, just because you need storylines; but that limo scene is a great fake out in my opinion. Wellick says "we're meant to be allies," which means they are not. I interpret it as them talking about Wellicks realization that Elliot is fsociety. Wellick is hoping for inside information so he can prove his worth to Ecorp. The only thing is his threat to Elliot, exposing his secrets to "those close to him" is weird because Elliot hasn't really done anything that the other people in his life would disapprove of. Only fake death explanation is a secret to threaten. Love the show, it's moving at a very brisk pace.
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Mega Comrade posted:
Mr R's "We need to talk" line could fit with that too
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Went back and watched some Darlene scenes, it all works. Also, this was well done - during his hallucinatory withdrawal trip, Elliot goes to his home and finds the "404 Not Found" sign, but meets a young girl outside on her scooter who says "We're not friends." Then she scoots past singing 'Frere Jaques," and he starts singing it, too. One of Elliot's memories of Darlene when it all comes flooding back to him was her riding on her scooter singing Frere Jacques.
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Solkanar512 posted:Just out of curiosity, did anyone catch the opera Wellick was listening to in his office while he was hacking? It's Mozarts magic flute https://play.spotify.com/track/0ZAyQDwokbChHvAdYkb5h7
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Femur posted:Did I miss it, or what is Angela getting out of the deal with the old CTO? I don't remember her mentioning that he has to testify against E-Corp, she just got the "truth" about what happened, which doesn't seem that useful to her case. She gets him to testify, with immunity, that Evil Corp dumped the toxic waste that killed her mum. For doing this she's sacrificing her job by saying it was her gently caress up that led to the hack/information leak so he is in the clear
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Jose posted:She gets him to testify, with immunity, that Evil Corp dumped the toxic waste that killed her mum. For doing this she's sacrificing her job by saying it was her gently caress up that led to the hack/information leak so he is in the clear She's not saying she caused the hack, she's saying she messed up chain of custody so that the evidence might be tainted.' edit- If your familiar with baseball this was how Ryan Braun was cleared in his PED case the first time. Zythrst fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Femur posted:Did I miss it, or what is Angela getting out of the deal with the old CTO? I don't remember her mentioning that he has to testify against E-Corp, she just got the "truth" about what happened, which doesn't seem that useful to her case. You missed it in the last episode. She wanted Colby to testify that he was present in the meeting where they decided to cover up the illegal dumping in exchange for her testimony that she broke chain of custody with the DAT file. I'm assuming Evil Corp is then liable and has to payout against the victims, but ultimately I think Angela is just doing it for closure. This sort of brings about a parallel between what Angela is doing now i.e., lying and destroying AllSafe for her selfish reasons with what Colby/Evil Corp did (lying and destroying lives for selfish reasons). OK, maybe that's a stretch. Waynebo fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Zythrst posted:She's not saying she caused the hack, she's saying she messed up chain of custody so that the evidence might be tainted.' I knew it wasn't the hack exactly but its late and I forgot what she was saying other than sacrificing her job for it
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Waynebo posted:I'm assuming Evil Corp is then liable and has to payout against the victims, but ultimately I think Angela is just doing it for closure. This sort of brings about a parallel between what Angela is doing now i.e., lying and destroying AllSafe for her selfish reasons with what Colby/Evil Corp did (lying and destroying lives for selfish reasons). OK, maybe that's a stretch. This being proved could kill a company, even one as big as E-corp. Payouts, fines and the knockon effect to the companies image would bring it to its knees. Its pretty intentional that Elliot and Angela are trying to destroy the same company but in their own ways, one through the law one, outside it. And while she doesn't know it, Allsafe is done already regardless of what Angela does. Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Aug 14, 2015 23:12
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Waynebo posted:You missed it in the last episode. She wanted Colby to testify that he was present in the meeting where they decided to cover up the illegal dumping in exchange for her testimony that she broke chain of custody with the DAT file. Ah thanks, I'll rewatch it later. I guess if immunity is being offered, the FBI is ok with going for a bigger crime against a bigger fish.
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Scoobydoo "what a twist" ending: Elliot died when he was 10 years old of cancer, when Mr Robot worked for Evil Corp, not realizing they would end up killing his own child. Now a drug and guilt fueled insane man, Robot imagines himself as having died instead and "edit" his life to believe the fantasy that he is a still alive Elliot. Also he kissed his daughter. vvv well she had blond hairs and a lot more makeup in Suburgatory. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Holy poo poo! Reading the comments on the Sepinwall review (yeah, I hate myself what of it) and someone pointed out Darlene is Darla from Suburgatory! I never, ever would've noticed that without looking up what else she's been in, she's completely different.
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What do we think about Mr. Robot being Elliott's uncle (dead dad's brother) who has a hacking predeliction and a wild streak. His dad was a thief, after all, and Evil corp killed his brother. Wasn't dad an 'analyst' ? So dad has computer skills too, and passed them to Darlene and Elliott. Works for Mr. Robot, too. Such a ballin' show. I love it. Going through it again now. dhrusis fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Cactus posted:Holy poo poo! Reading the comments on the Sepinwall review (yeah, I hate myself what of it) and someone pointed out Darlene is Darla from Suburgatory! I never, ever would've noticed that without looking up what else she's been in, she's completely different. The Sepinwall review had a nice tidbit of the Mad Men creator telling everyone about Mr Robot at some sort of gala. And he's only seen the first 3 episodes.
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I just wish I'd waited to binge on this one because there's tonnes of details I've missed from the whole week-to-week forgetfulness thing. I know I won't watch it again until the next season is finished.
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Toplowtech posted:If he is alive his daughter probably called him to tell him Elliot wasn't well and forgot she was his sister AGAIN. What if.... everything is part of Elliot's treatment. Like Mr. Robot and Darlene are trying to help him work through his poo poo and he's imagining all of the hacker stuff, but what's really happening is he's working at his normal job and living his life. Everything else is in his head and we're seeing it all play out in his mind. Perhaps he'll eventually snap out of it one day and gain clarity. Like this is going to be the hacker version of Wilfred.  Or maybe I'm a retard.
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Cactus posted:Holy poo poo! Reading the comments on the Sepinwall review (yeah, I hate myself what of it) and someone pointed out Darlene is Darla from Suburgatory! I never, ever would've noticed that without looking up what else she's been in, she's completely different. I mean this was fantastic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZNwn56uSzk
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ashpanash posted:Went back and watched some Darlene scenes, it all works. Also, this was well done - during his hallucinatory withdrawal trip, Elliot goes to his home and finds the "404 Not Found" sign, but meets a young girl outside on her scooter who says "We're not friends." Then she scoots past singing 'Frere Jaques," and he starts singing it, too. Yeah, this show got all types of cool poo poo like that that rewards attentive watching. One other I can think of that hasn't been pointed out itt yet was on the latest episode when he was talking to Angela and the shot went wide for a sec to show the bus with the "Out Of Service" right over Elliot
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Just caught up on this show and holy goddamn.  I'm gonna go with Robot being Ghost dad and all the scenes were we see Robot talking to soemone else, in particular the Wellick scene, is Elliot.
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Now that I've had time to think about it calmly, I'm... confused. From the beginning, Mr. Robot has been presenting himself as someone with no relation to Elliot, as far as we could see. Darlene, on the other hand, was the opposite, and acted very familiar with Elliot from the beginning, though her attitude changed over time. We see now that she expected Elliot to recognize her, which suggests Mr. Robot should also, but that contradicts his early actions. What would have made sense is that Mr. Robot and Darlene didn't recognize each other and had coincidentally been acting separately. But that doesn't work since it seems Darlene told Mr. Robot what happened between her and Elliot. Idk, I really want the next episode to clear that mess up and start making sense of things..
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It strikes me that far from being a show about hacking - I mean, hacking is involved, but it's involved in the same way that chemistry was involved in Breaking Bad - Mr. Robot is a show about mental illness. Both Elliot and Tyrell are mentally ill - perhaps even more people in the show are - but the show doesn't make them non-functional lunatics. It follows their paths, even lets us sympathize with their situations, while at the same time illuminating the structures and pressures around them that force them, almost unwillingly, to exacerbate their illness. This show is really good, you guys.
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Cactus posted:I just wish I'd waited to binge on this one because there's tonnes of details I've missed from the whole week-to-week forgetfulness thing. I know I won't watch it again until the next season is finished. I love binge watching, but I feel like I miss out minor details while binging. What I enjoyed about watching Lost and Breaking Bad was getting on SA and pouring over all the little minor details.
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ViggyNash posted:Now that I've had time to think about it calmly, I'm... confused. Maybe Mr. Robot realized that Elliot didn't recognize him again so he acted as this guy trying to get him to join fsociety so that Elliot would go along with it and not get paranoid about it, instead of trying to convince him (who seems like a stranger to Elliot) "Yeah I'm your dad/uncle/whoever don't you remember me?" We know Elliot seems to have a paranoid personality ( and possibly schizophrenic) so I feel like going with his delusion would be easier than fighting it.
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Concerning Mr. Robot acting different from Darlene, here's what I'm gathering. It's super important that this isn't the first time Elliot "forgot" his family. His father, Mr. Robot, absolutely wants to gently caress over EvilCorp and wipe away debts, but is also absolutely loving crazy (mental illness runs in the show, after all) and knows that Elliot forgets his family. He also knows that Elliot has animosity towards him for being shoved out the window. This is probably what gave rise to Elliot not wanting people touching him. As a child, Elliot was OK with touching and even tried to hug his father after he had found out that Elliot snitched about the cancer. If Elliot is autistic, it was somehow an autism that hit him LATER in life. Does that exist? Elliot's dad apparently showed animosity towards his son "even the night he died." There's something in there. Most likely it was actually the first night he forgot who his family was. So we somehow end up with a vengeful father who managed to find the weaknesses and strengths in his child and got him on track to be a master hacker. With no family to remember and just his one friend, Angela, he had very little holding him back from spending time perfecting his craft. So I suggest you think of it like the second Matrix movie when it's revealed that there have been multiple Neos, all of which tried to do the same thing, all of which failed. Instead, we have separate states of Mr. Robot in Elliot's life. At one point, he taught Elliot all he knew about hacking but was eventually revealed to be Elliot's father. Upon discovering this, Elliot "failed" whatever he was supposed to do next with Mr. Robot and Mr. Robot had to flee the scene, likely due to the animosity Elliot should be holding against him for the out-the-window shove. Knowing Elliot might/will eventually forget him again, Mr. Robot stalks Elliot until he realizes that Elliot doesn't recognize him. Once this occurs, he once again swoops in acting like a separate entity and moving Elliot along the path of succeeding at the revenge plot. All that said, he also wants to know more about Elliot's state of mind. He wants to know about why his son didn't keep the secret and wants to teach his son why it was wrong to betray his trust. When he finds out what Elliot was thinking about this and how he still hasn't changed despite previous encounters as previous Mr. Robots, he goes a little crazy and chucks him over the pier. Okay, with all of that out of the way, I have ONE last theory. Mr. Robot is alive, is Elliot's dad, and actually KNOWS how to trigger Elliot into forgetting his family. Why? Ever notice how much Mr. Robot likes to use finality with Elliot? "You'll never see me again." or "We'll never have another chance." Maybe in Elliot's current memory that'd be true but once Mr. Robot triggers his memory wipe, they move on to the next task at hand. Woooooo this show is fun to theory craft with! Oh, right, I forgot about Darlene. I think Darlene just plain doesn't realize when Elliot does/doesn't remember her. Because Elliot acts so stand-offish, it's hard to tell if he's just being himself or if he literally doesn't remember who she is. He's still enough of a push-over that he'll just let her chill at his place despite barely knowing her but she just assumes he's being himself and being OK with his sister hanging around. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Aug 15, 2015 |
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Steve112sms posted:I'm still going with Ghost Dad here. It just makes a lot more sense. The interactions with Darlene and Tyrell just don't quite add up if he's alive. All signs point to delusion imo. Solice Kirsk posted:My money is on his mom died and not his dad and maybe the reason we're hearing everyone talk about his dad is because we're hearing everything through Eliot's point of view. Pretty sure we've heard EvilCorp when he wasn't around too. Dance Marine posted:Do you think perhaps that Elliot received some kind of brain damage as a child, courtesy of Evil Corp? Tiggum posted:The last episode ends by zooming out to reveal Elliott staring into a snow globe. Steve112sms posted:Take Tyrell's interaction with Mr. Robot earlier in the episode. They clearly know one another, but up to this point there's been no indication they should know each other. In fact, in an earlier episode the others in F Society were shocked when they heard Elliot knew him. I guess it's possible Mr. Robot had some secret side deal with him and revealed some other secret to him, but it makes a lot more sense if that was just Elliot and the secret is that Tyrell knows his motivation for pinning Colby was petty revenge. Also, when Tyrell talks about it with his wife later, he basically only mentions Elliot and again the revenge angle and makes no mention of Mr. Robot. savinhill posted:So is the name and identity of "Elliot" the real deal and he erased all traces of it from the net & public records, or is it another persona/alias that the main character invented for himself? I'm pretty sure there was a line along the lines of "Have I erased myself?" when he was checking up on himself, but I don't even know anymore with this show(in a good mindfucky way) DaveKap posted:His father, Mr. Robot, absolutely wants to gently caress over EvilCorp and wipe away debts, but is also absolutely loving crazy (mental illness runs in the show, after all). DaveKap posted:So I suggest you think of it like the second Matrix movie when it's revealed that there have been multiple Neos, all of which tried to do the same thing, all of which failed. Instead, we have separate states of Mr. Robot in Elliot's life. At one point, he taught Elliot all he knew about hacking but was eventually revealed to be Elliot's father. Upon discovering this, Elliot "failed" whatever he was supposed to do next with Mr. Robot and Mr. Robot had to flee the scene, likely due to the animosity Elliot should be holding against him for the out-the-window shove. Knowing Elliot might/will eventually forget him again, Mr. Robot stalks Elliot until he realizes that Elliot doesn't recognize him. Once this occurs, he once again swoops in acting like a separate entity and moving Elliot along the path of succeeding at the revenge plot.
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I have a feeling Elliot's drug use is going to come back into play sometime before the end of the season. IIRC he was using morphone/heroin but keeping himself (or thinking he was keeping himself) more stable with suboxone. We saw his increasingly erratic behavior pointed out by multiple people recently (Angela, Darlene, his boss) - it's not uncommon for addicts to completely lose control of their habit, and as a result, their grasp on how it's affecting their life. I've never been much into drugs but I've seen friends spiral out of control and it's not exactly predictable.
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Shooting Blanks posted:I have a feeling Elliot's drug use is going to come back into play sometime before the end of the season. IIRC he was using morphone/heroin but keeping himself (or thinking he was keeping himself) more stable with suboxone. We saw his increasingly erratic behavior pointed out by multiple people recently (Angela, Darlene, his boss) - it's not uncommon for addicts to completely lose control of their habit, and as a result, their grasp on how it's affecting their life. I've never been much into drugs but I've seen friends spiral out of control and it's not exactly predictable. I don't know about this season, but I will definitely be surprised if the drug use doesn't come up again. Loss of control is a big theme in the show, and I definitely agree about drug addiction being unpredictable. Something's going to make him snap and chase the numbing bliss of an opiate again, just maybe not in the few remaining episodes of the season.
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DaveKap posted:He also knows that Elliot has animosity towards him for being shoved out the window. This is probably what gave rise to Elliot not wanting people touching him. As a child, Elliot was OK with touching and even tried to hug his father after he had found out that Elliot snitched about the cancer. If Elliot is autistic, it was somehow an autism that hit him LATER in life. Does that exist? Can you remind me which episode this was mentioned?
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