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I assumed that the microstamp thing was just added as part of the "Mr. Robot takes place in a world very like ours, but also different and possibly in the near future". After all, businesses in Mr. Robot accept bitcoins, which may be a thing in some places irl, but I've never seen it. Google exists in Mr. Robot, but it's dwarfed by the fictional E Corp. Anyway, finally watched this week's episode last night. Great episode. Couple of things: Firstly, I haven't thought much about Tyrell this season because I don't really care about it, so it wasn't until this episode that I realized it may be part of Elliot/Mr. Robot, Joanna, or Whiterose's plant to frame Tyrell for the 5/9 hacks. He's a pretty good fall-guy for it. Secondly, I'm not sure how bad of a person the lawyer was. I feel like there were some parallels to Angela being drawn. Laughing at a court verdict in favor of E Corp? That's the sort of sad, absurd thing that someone in Angela's position might laugh at, not because it's funny, but because it's sad. Unless I missed something, the only dirt they found on the lawyer was that she was having an affair with a judge, which is pretty unethical, but not necessarily evil. Good on Darlene taking care of business though. I get that none of them are comfortable with murder, but I feel like "look, we broke the loving world open, and a whole bunch of people's lives have been destroyed because of it. People have died because of what we did. Now this lady has seen all of our faces and so we have to kill her." would have been totally appropriate. Loved the scenes with Trenton and Mobley. Great chemistry there. Also, I'm not actually supporting the "Darlene and Elliot are the same person" theory, because I don't think it actually makes any sense, but I just wanted to say that some of those same crazy thoughts have raced through my mind this season. A show like this gives you a lot to think about, and not every thought is going to part of a coherent theory that makes sense. I am also wondering if the dark army did inject something. I ended watching that episode twice, and the second time, the syringe seems very visibly empty. The case does give me pause. I kept wondering if the needle contained some kind of bug or tracker. It's probably nothing.
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Elite posted:Also with White Rose we already have a character acting as their own sister. I think with a show like this, wildly theorizing to figure it all out is part of the experience, but I'd rather watch it being open to others' interpretations instead of saying "nah that's ridiculous". It's already been ridiculous and is just going to get more and more insane as it goes on. That's what makes it fun. And the fact that they've set up situations where these could all be possibilities due to unreliable storytelling leaves it open to the most batshit theories on purpose. We're already Elliot's head-friend. We're already involved from the start, the second he addresses us in the pilot.
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Zarlog posted:E Corp = Elliott Corp Elliot came from the future and founded E-Corp so the young him could destroy E-Corp, calling it now (this is literally a lot less stupid than "Darlene is Elliot" theory) EDIT: sticklefifer posted:If anything, that would support the theory by foreshadowing it. Honestly the whole key symbolism pointed out above seems to have some legs to it. Its reidiculus by the simple fact that it would turn like half of the scenes in complete nonsense unless we fall into some kind of "its was all a dream!!" solution, which would be the worst So far both big twists (Elliot is Mr Robot and Elliot is in prison) had the distinct characteristic of actually making everything that happen before make even more sense, not less. Is a huge mindfuck twist and everything falls into place perfectly. Darlene = Elliot is just dumb, sorry Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Aug 27, 2016 |
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This isn't really related to anything, but I notice a lot of people in the thread call BD Wong's character "White Rose", while I call them "Whiterose". I write it as one word simply because that is how the character is credited on IMDB. I never bothered to go back and check if that's how it's typed in IRC in the show or whatever.
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Aug 27, 2016 18:45
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Man elliot must really gently caress like a mynx if he was able to turn Sisco out and get that police officer to give him the time of day. Kawasaki Nun fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Aug 27, 2016 |
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Aug 27, 2016 18:46
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Every single character is Elliot Its all in his head!
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Aug 27, 2016 18:50
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Elias_Maluco posted:Every single character is Elliot The entire show is actually manifestations of Elliot's fan theories of watching some other show (probably Alf) while in a mental institution. There's also no reason for this, but in my brain, Tyrell is named Tyrell as a Blade Runner reference.
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Aug 27, 2016 18:52
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I still can't believe people thought Tyrell and Elliot were the same person. I can't believe anyone actually thinks Darlene is Elliot.
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Aug 27, 2016 19:59
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Ohhhhh wtf. Just finished the last three episodes of season 1. My brain is hiring from all the craziness. My one big question, is Elliot the one we see talking to people in Christian slaters place? Like the scene with him and Romero, or him and Tyrrell in the car alone in episode 8. Aaaaa I can't handle how crazy this is.
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Aug 27, 2016 20:55
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The pop corn machine is Elliot let me get my notes, I'm gonna explain it to you
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Kingtheninja posted:Ohhhhh wtf. Just finished the last three episodes of season 1. My brain is hiring from all the craziness. My one big question, is Elliot the one we see talking to people in Christian slaters place? Like the scene with him and Romero, or him and Tyrrell in the car alone in episode 8. Aaaaa I can't handle how crazy this is. No, in the Romero scene it was Darlene-Elliot, but in the Tyrell scene it was just him talking to himself.
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Paperhouse posted:What is it with this show and people coming up with the stupidest theories. I read someone elsewhere saying they thought Elliot was actually in prison for all of season one too  As for whether or not Tyrell is dead, I'm still of the mindset that he is and Elliot did indeed shoot him, but he did not deliver the killing blow.
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DaveKap posted:Because if someone manages to guess the crazy twist, they feel smart... despite the fact that all they did was guess. Seeing a bunch of clues, making a guess based on them, then being proven true is a kind of validation people don't get often in the world of popular dramatic television. Especially when it's something that isn't revealed until deep, deep into the season but is hinted at from the very beginning. In other words, people like to feel special. I personally find it to be a challenge and I've voiced my thoughts on there being an "encryption" to the story. I do kinda want to feel special and I'll articulate it in the theme of the show: "I want to be the one to hack the Gibson." However I'd just feel clever, not smart. Also, putting my theory out there both contests my theory for being weak but also adds supporting details I didn't think of like how Whiterose and Zhang are brother/sister alter egos. One thing I really like about the show is that there is a lot to discuss and it is very dense. Even when the story isn't causing "what if..." discussion there are a ton of intertextual references to other media including songs, plays, movies,and actual news events/coverage. After Season 1 ended someone made a really detailed post about how many Macbeth allusions there were with Tyrell's family. So many broad but detailed nods there that the story could be encrypted fully by media references. Which is why I like this post: Snak posted:The entire show is actually manifestations of Elliot's fan theories of watching some other show (probably Alf) while in a mental institution. The Sean fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Aug 28, 2016 |
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Aug 28, 2016 02:39
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Season 5 episode 12: It was all a dreeeeaaaaam!
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Paperhouse posted:Season 5 episode 12: It was all a dreeeeaaaaam! More like "It was all a show". Elliot hacks Sam Esmail's computer and finds the scrips of all the things that have happened in the show, and he turns to us and he's like "I told you everything, how could you never tell me that my life is just a television show!?"
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Snak posted:More like "It was all a show". Elliot hacks Sam Esmail's computer and finds the scrips of all the things that have happened in the show, and he turns to us and he's like "I told you everything, how could you never tell me that my life is just a television show!?" This is really amazing. Elliot being a popcorn machine, though. Gonna have to look out for that.
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Since everyone else on this drat show is hosed up, I wonder what the deal is with Mobley and Trenton. Then again, I hope they're not really all that hosed up because it would be a breath of fresh air.
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Doctor Butts posted:Since everyone else on this drat show is hosed up, I wonder what the deal is with Mobley and Trenton. Then again, I hope they're not really all that hosed up because it would be a breath of fresh air.
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Snak posted:I assumed that the microstamp thing was just added as part of the "Mr. Robot takes place in a world very like ours, but also different and possibly in the near future". After all, businesses in Mr. Robot accept bitcoins, which may be a thing in some places irl, but I've never seen it. Google exists in Mr. Robot, but it's dwarfed by the fictional E Corp. It takes place in 2015 as can be seen in many places. The reason people are taking bit coin is that people can only have $50 a day out of their bank accounts.
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Zythrst posted:It takes place in 2015 as can be seen in many places. The reason people are taking bit coin is that people can only have $50 a day out of their bank accounts. I meant technologically, not calendar year. It doesn't seem like a stretch to me that in a world where E-Coins are accepted at a failing small business, microstamps would be an existing technology.
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Elias_Maluco posted:Elliot came from the future and founded E-Corp so the young him could destroy E-Corp, calling it now 23 years ago Price was an up and coming executive who was slowly losing his way and knew he could never hold onto his ideals of changing the company from within by the time he was powerful enough to make a difference. But then he hears Elliot's dad talking about his computer protégé son and gets an idea. He'll plant a post hypnotic solution into Elliot's mind, a logic bomb if you will, that'll one day lead him to the idea of a hack that will slay Ecorp.
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Remember When I said Tyrell felt like a reference to Tyrell from Blade Runner? I also think that Price is a reference to Vincent Price and the character is a personification of the devil. Again, no logical reason for this.
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There have been worse foundations for theories in this thread.
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Elliot is actually you, but you're not Elliot. Now let me explain in seven paragraphs...
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Does anyone else feel like one of the major reveals is going to be the mother and whatever she is up to? We've never had a scene with her(as a person who is confirmed a real person in the room), but as far as we know she is alive.
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During the heart to heart between Elliot and Robot they keep distinctly saying that they shot tyrell, they never say killed. "I shot him..." "No, I shot him..." I still think tyrell is alive somewhere but wounded or disfigured, and Robot is being a dick by not being totally honest with Elliot. I want a better explanation for the "Bonsoir, Elliot" phone call than just him imagining it. Edit: actually my theory now is that Robot was on the phone with Tyrell when Elliot suddenly snapped back into control. He hears tyrell, who then says Bonsoir, Elliot. Which can be used as a goodbye rather than a greeting. This makes sense considering Robot was just finishing up a call with him. Unless you want to go for the imagination theory where he said goodbye because he's dead LentThem fucked around with this message at 10:42 on Aug 28, 2016 |
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LentThem posted:During the heart to heart between Elliot and Robot they keep distinctly saying that they shot tyrell, they never say killed. In any case, no matter what the theory, I do not believe Elliot/Mr. Robot killed Tyrell.
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The Sean posted:Lastly, I don't even think right now that Elliot's dad pushed him out the window or was a dick to him. He seems super nice in all of the flashbacks but his mom always seems like a bitch. DaveKap posted:Anyway, gently caress, guess the dark army is out to kill fsociety then? Does that not mean White Rose is going to somehow silence Elliot? After saving him? I am so confused now. DaveKap posted:1: The FBI is willing to plant an agent into gently caress-mode just to investigate someone. DaveKap posted:Why the gently caress you would tell your neighbor's/friend's/brother's (they didn't mention relation) daughter that she swallows cock real good is beyond me. I feel like even a person who didn't know her, after hearing the simple story of "girl's mom died due to company, company got away with it, girl is now high rank in company" would be like "yeah, she's sabotaging the company or making it so they can't get away with murder again." DaveKap posted:Even if Elliot is valuable, killing his group is not going to gain any favors or make him more effective. Vanderdeath posted:Also goddamn, Darlene. You went from 0 - 100 in no loving time flat. SpaceAceJase posted:If anything happened to his sister he'd definitely lose his mind completely. They'd have no use for him then. tanglewood1420 posted:Has it been shown yet what it was Cisco was injected with when the Dark Army guys held him and stuck a needle in hid finger? Is it possible that they injected him with HIV positive blood (or blood infected with something or other) knowing they had a long term play for him to at some point sleep with Darlene and unwittingly pass some virus on to her? Death Vomit Wizard posted:How is it that the casing led to the beard guy's gun that was apparently registered to him, yet he owned the gun illegally? Like, he purchased it in another state and then illegally brought it into NY? The Sean posted:I actually starting wondering about another different dumb take on this during my work/school day. I'm kind of wondering if Darlene's actually real and Elliot is a coping mechanism/dissociative identity for her or she's some transgender version of Elliot. waitwhatno posted:Darlene is weird. She doesn't show up in any of Elliot's childhood flashbacks and she is never really acknowledged by Mr. Robot. The Sean posted:I kind of wonder if the whole dissociative personality stuff is like a Russian nesting doll. Tiggum posted:The last episode ends by zooming out to reveal Elliott staring into a snow globe.
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Snak posted:I meant technologically, not calendar year. It doesn't seem like a stretch to me that in a world where E-Coins are accepted at a failing small business, microstamps would be an existing technology. E-coins != bitcoins, they mentioned actual bitcoins before.
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Trabandiumium posted:E-coins != bitcoins, they mentioned actual bitcoins before. I'm not sure I understand your point? Ahmed's store had signs indicating he accepted both bitcoin and E-coin.
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Snak posted:I meant technologically, not calendar year. It doesn't seem like a stretch to me that in a world where E-Coins are accepted at a failing small business, microstamps would be an existing technology. I took it as Bitcoin and e-coin gaining prominence when trust in the banks faltered because of 5/9. I doubt any place accepted them before but when cash is rationed and plastic doesn't work anymore any business is going to scramble to adapt before failing. It's not indicative of it being a "slightly more technologically advanced version of our world" it's just what would happen here if 5/9 happened here.
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GutBomb posted:I took it as Bitcoin and e-coin gaining prominence when trust in the banks faltered because of 5/9. I doubt any place accepted them before but when cash is rationed and plastic doesn't work anymore any business is going to scramble to adapt before failing. It's not indicative of it being a "slightly more technologically advanced version of our world" it's just what would happen here if 5/9 happened here. Yeah, but I'm not talking about science fiction here. The microstamp thing would just be another example of an existing technology that is actually used more commonly in the world where E-corp exists than in our world irl. That's all I meant. The show has a fictional setting, where some details are different.
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Tiggum posted:You mean except for how he told his young son that he was dying of cancer and to keep that secret from the rest of the family? Because that's pretty terrible. I'll consider this when I rewatch it again but I thought that his dad shared it to comfort him after getting bullied at school or something. Still not the best parenting choice, maybe, but I took the intent to be coming from the right place. He ends that scene by letting Elliot name his store, which I felt was sweet. Contrast this with his mom being overtly physically and verbally abusive in Elliots flashbacks. Also, I'm pretty sure Elliots not supposed to tell his mom and Darlene isnt mentioned (Darlene = Elliot, lol) . Tiggum posted:You're right, that is dumb. Thank you for the positive affirmation.
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The Sean posted:Also, I'm pretty sure Elliots not supposed to tell his mom and Darlene isnt mentioned (Darlene = Elliot, lol) . Mr Robot posted:I'm sick, Elliot. That's what they're telling me. For a while now. I've been trying to keep it from everybody. Your mom, Darlene, work, you.  Can we stop this nonsense now?
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Snak posted:Yeah, but I'm not talking about science fiction here. The microstamp thing would just be another example of an existing technology that is actually used more commonly in the world where E-corp exists than in our world irl. That would be absolute garbage tier writing that would never make it onto this show. Suddenly introducing new elements that are different from reality mid way into a story and saying 'well that's just how it's always been in this world it just hasn't come up until now' is a terrible cop out. There's no point in following any details if they writers can just change them at any point with this excuse. It's also completely unnecessary for the microstamp thing. Dumbass smug wealthy guy doesn't seem like a flyover states sort of dude. If he's dumb enough to bring a gun into New York illegally and put it in a safe with the code right there on the wall, he's dumb enough to buy said gun in California with microstamps.
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siggy2021 posted:
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Um... What? Because TV show realities are always completely accurate reflections of reality? E-Corp is wal-mart and google and monsanto all rolled into one, and also google also exists. No one is talking about "introducing retroactive technological differences". The scene were they talk about the gun having a microstamp? It establishes that microstamps are a thing. Done. Just like signs for Bitcoin and E-Coin establish that they are accepted by businesses. There's no loving big deal here. I don't know where you get the idea that I'm suggesting some "garbage tier fictional alternate scifi reality thing". Honestly, I don't really like the tone of this thread, where people feel the need to attack other people's ideas for being stupid. Why can't we just talk about the show and its ideas in a casual and friendly environment without fighting over whose theory is the stupidest possible thing?
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Gnossiennes posted:Darlene = his mom. You are, Number 6. Elliot is actually in the village.
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