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The Kins
Oct 2, 2004


Sector Effector


Epoxy all your ports. All of them. You'll know when to stop.

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ilifinicus
Mar 7, 2004



being all up in arms about Windows 10 "spying" when google exists is hilarious

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004



Inverness posted:

That "spying bullshit" is itself mostly bullshit conjured by people that can't see past their tinfoil hats.

You'd be best served to extract yourself from the echo chamber surrounding Windows 10's behavior.

Yeah. In fact, remove yourself from the Windows ecosystem all together, you'll be much happier for it.

Truga
May 4, 2014




Lipstick Apathy

quote:

MY OS CAN DO NO WRONG!!!!

Spoiler: YOSPOS.

Seriously, microsoft isn't your friend, you don't need to defend their bad decisions.

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!






You appear to be mistaking defending Microsoft with calling out bullshit tinfoilhattery

Why do you feel the need to reinforce it?

Truga
May 4, 2014




Lipstick Apathy

Explain how not wanting to send my metadata to microsoft is bullshit tinfoilhattery.

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!






No, sorry

Burden of proof is on you for this one, how about how you explain how Microsoft is stealing all your data and the reasoning behind you wanting to create a tinfoil hat?

Bonus points of it includes pictures of nazis

Stanley Pain
Jun 16, 2001

Bit. Trip. RIP.


Truga posted:

Explain how not wanting to send my metadata to microsoft is bullshit tinfoilhattery.

Please show us a log of all the things that MS is siphoning from your computer.

BattleCattle
May 11, 2014



All of my chrome extensions seem to have disappeared. I'm annoyed.

Truga
May 4, 2014




Lipstick Apathy

Skarsnik posted:

No, sorry

Burden of proof is on you for this one, how about how you explain how Microsoft is stealing all your data and the reasoning behind you wanting to create a tinfoil hat?

Bonus points of it includes pictures of nazis
See, this is what I'm talking about. Either microsoft can do no wrong, or microsoft is literally nazi
Show me, where I posted about how "microsoft is stealing my data".

The matter of the fact is, however, by default, windows collects user data:

quote:

Windows 10 ("Windows") is a personalized computing environment that enables you to seamlessly roam and access services, preferences and content across your computing devices from phones to tablets to the Surface Hub. Rather than residing as a static software program on your device, key components of Windows are cloud-based, and both cloud and local elements of Windows are updated regularly, providing you with the latest improvements and features. In order to provide this computing experience, we collect data about you, your device, and the way you use Windows. And because Windows is personal to you, we give you choices about the personal data we collect and how we use it. For more information about data collection and privacy in Windows, go to http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=529552.

You can opt out, but certain updates now silently opt you back in. Why am I getting attacked over this? Why is a guy who just wanted to disable this again getting told "this is all bullshit tinfoil hattery"? Why is our not wanting data getting sent to microsoft suddenly the same as invoking nazis?

Stanley Pain posted:

Please show us a log of all the things that MS is siphoning from your computer.

I can't, because I disabled everything, and I sure am not installing the things. Also, as you probably well know, even if I could show you the data, it's still all encrypted, so I don't see how that helps. There's plenty of reputable sources on the internet showing there is some traffic, though.

Neowyrm
Dec 23, 2011

It's not like I pack a lunch box full of missiles when I go to work!

Windows 10 is a cute OS for cute PCs

Truga
May 4, 2014




Lipstick Apathy

Windows 10 is the best, but I'm going to wait a couple more months before committing my gaming rig to it, while they sort out the couple issues remaining.


Truga fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Sep 1, 2015

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Windows 10 sometimes sends background info back to Microsoft for whatever reason. In order to be more efficient, it sends this info back when it normally sends search info. If you turn the search info being sent back off, it still sends the background stuff when you do searches. It's not that scary.

BattleCattle
May 11, 2014



Stanley Pain posted:

Please show us a log



Truga posted:

Windows 10 is the best

It's -okay-. Linux is better.

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!






Truga posted:

See, this is what I'm talking about. Either microsoft can do no wrong, or microsoft is literally nazi
Show me, where I posted about how "microsoft is stealing my data".

The matter of the fact is, however, by default, windows collects user data:


You can opt out, but certain updates now silently opt you back in. Why am I getting attacked over this? Why is a guy who just wanted to disable this again getting told "this is all bullshit tinfoil hattery"? Why is our not wanting data getting sent to microsoft suddenly the same as invoking nazis?


Advising someone how to turn off the add tracking etc using the options provided during install and within windows, that's all good.

Linking someone to this:
https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking

Which does, something? That's you making a tinfoil hat, and encouraging others to do the same

Truga
May 4, 2014




Lipstick Apathy

It does "something" in that it's a python script that disables all the scattered things in 1 click. But no need to believe me, the source is right there on the page I linked, you can check it yourself!

Fo3
Feb 14, 2004

RAAAAARGH!!!! GIFT CARDS ARE FUCKING RETARDED!!!!

(I need a hug)


ilifinicus posted:

being all up in arms about Windows 10 "spying" when google exists is hilarious

Quoted for truth.
I did my upgrade last week, worst thing that happened is some old programs don't work. Oh well, I have old PCs for old programs and hardware, and the needed OS, drivers for that old hardware.
My partner upgraded their i5 lenovo 510 edge, says it's slower than win 7 was. I didn't notice any speed difference on my 1090T desktop though.

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!






Truga posted:

It does "something" in that it's a python script that disables all the scattered things in 1 click. But no need to believe me, the source is right there on the page I linked, you can check it yourself!

nah, that's OK

I'll have a look once you can show me what all this data that's being sent to microsoft contains, and how it will affect me in a negative way

Truga
May 4, 2014




Lipstick Apathy

Nice strawman.

Where did I say it affects you in a negative way? And why does it matter how it affects you? A guy just wanted to turn it off, so I pointed him to the easiest solution I knew about. A lot of people in here, however, seem to take issue with that? Why?

Neowyrm
Dec 23, 2011

It's not like I pack a lunch box full of missiles when I go to work!

Skarsnik posted:

nah, that's OK

I'll have a look once you can show me what all this data that's being sent to microsoft contains, and how it will affect me in a negative way

chill

MANIFEST DESTINY
Apr 24, 2009



So I tried resetting Windows 10 (was upgrade from 7) to fix all the problems its having with display bugs and start menu not functioning, 66% through it said it had a problem, now it does not boot (bios tells me there's no OS detected on the drive). So am I completely hosed now? I'm guessing at this point I'm going to have to just buy goddamn Windows 10, wipe the drive and do a fresh install to have a functioning PC again. Why the hell did I do this upgrade when 7 was working so well?

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!






Truga posted:

Nice strawman.

Where did I say it affects you in a negative way? And why does it matter how it affects you? A guy just wanted to turn it off, so I pointed him to the easiest solution I knew about. A lot of people in here, however, seem to take issue with that? Why?

Because spreading misinformation doesn't do anyone any good

Guy comes in asking how to disable 'privacy bullshit', and you link a tool that disables a whole load of random stuff, but you don't really know what it does, or what exactly it is stopping Microsoft sending.

Inverness posted:

That "spying bullshit" is itself mostly bullshit conjured by people that can't see past their tinfoil hats.

This is the issue people have, and you are making it worse

I shall chill now

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




MANIFEST DESTINY posted:

I'm guessing at this point I'm going to have to just buy goddamn Windows 10

No you aren't and I don't even know why you'd say this.

Use the Media Creation Tool on a working Windows computer to make a 64-bit install image (it should be able to do this even on a 32-bit computer now, but no promises). Then install it like you did Windows 7 or 8, skip any key prompts, and it should activate as soon as it sees Internet because you activated that hardware before. Arguably this isn't a bad idea immediately after activating the upgrade the first time just to clear out any weird inheritance from 7 that even a reset doesn't always get rid of.

Considering you were already willing to sacrifice your Windows environment you should have backed things up already and you don't get to complain about having to wipe your drive.

dont be mean to me fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Sep 1, 2015

MANIFEST DESTINY
Apr 24, 2009



Sir Unimaginative posted:

No you aren't and I don't even know why you'd say this.

Use the Media Creation Tool on a working Windows computer to make a 64-bit install image (it should be able to do this even on a 32-bit computer now, but no promises). Then install it like you did Windows 7 or 8, skip any key prompts, and it should activate as soon as it sees Internet because you activated that hardware before. Arguably this isn't a bad idea immediately after activating the upgrade the first time just to clear out any weird inheritance from 7 that even a reset doesn't always get rid of.

Considering you were already willing to sacrifice your Windows environment you should have backed things up already and you don't get to complain about having to wipe your drive.

I misunderstood the way the licensing worked with the Win10 upgrade, some of what I read implied that a fresh install would require a key, either they were wrong or I misread. I'll give this a try.

All of my personal files are backed up, but I didn't have a backup of my Win7 install, I had got rid of it since the first day or two Win10 seemed to be working fine, then in went to poo poo after one of the updates. Yes I know, bad idea, but it was taking up a big portion of my small SSD and it didn't seem like it was needed anymore.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




MANIFEST DESTINY posted:

I misunderstood the way the licensing worked with the Win10 upgrade, some of what I read implied that a fresh install would require a key, either they were wrong or I misread. I'll give this a try.

There was an incredible amount of confusion about the licensing terms of the free Windows 10 upgrade (as in it literally defied credibility). But experimentation has determined that a fresh install on something that had done the upgrade should reliably give you an activated Windows 10 environment. What happens after the year is anyone's guess, but there's not a lot of reason to turn off that re-activation method even if Microsoft stops licensing fresh free upgrades that way.

quote:

All of my personal files are backed up, but I didn't have a backup of my Win7 install, I had got rid of it since the first day or two Win10 seemed to be working fine, then in went to poo poo after one of the updates. Yes I know, bad idea, but it was taking up a big portion of my small SSD and it didn't seem like it was needed anymore.

Even then you'd want a system image of it on your backup drive (Windows native, Macrium Reflect, whatever) to save space. And I don't know about anyone else but I would really rather not go back to 7 or 8.1 at this point. There's nothing wrong with 7 (8.1 still doesn't let you set a third-party handler for ZIP files, and I don't know why) but a lot has been done to improve Windows' internal infrastructure in the six years separating 7 from 10 and it shows.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003



Sir Unimaginative posted:

(8.1 still doesn't let you set a third-party handler for ZIP files, and I don't know why)

Yes it does.

If it's 7zip, you need to run 7zip file manager manually as admin, then change the option as 7zip doesn't bother to elevate when you try to change this.

MANIFEST DESTINY
Apr 24, 2009



Whats kind of weird is that after doing a lot of troubleshooting to solve the display bugs and not finding anyone else having exactly the same issues, I figured it must be my old hardware and replaced the motherboard, processor, ram and vid card, because I was going to be doing that soon anyway. You'd think that booting the same root drive on that degree of new hardware would cause Windows licensing to consider it a new PC and require a new key right? It didn't, I was shocked. I have no idea what the deal is with their licensing now.

Anyways it obviously wasn't the hardware because it was doing all the same poo poo with the new stuff. Drop down menus in Windows control panel not working, glitches in the Start menu, explorer windows flickering as they get moved or minimized, photos not displaying properly. Tried a few different nVidia drivers besides the one they recommend, fresh driver install each time, sometimes that would seem to fix it for a moment, but as soon as you log out or put the computer to sleep, the problems would return when you log back in. None of the display bugs came up in anything I ran but Windows itself, I could play games and video, video editing software etc without any display issues, it was all limited to Windows itself. That's what led me to the reset option, and I guess there must have been something corrupt in the install which broke the reset process halfway through.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




If it's anything like it was originally stated back when Windows Activation first became a thing, activation device matching draws heavily from motherboard and first network adapter signatures. Given that ethernet's been integrated on most motherboards for a while, at least in the XP days that made the motherboard able to make or break the hardware signature all on its own, and as sophisticated as I'm sure it's gotten since then I wouldn't be surprised if it's fundamentally still pretty similar.

Lum posted:

Yes it does.

If it's 7zip, you need to run 7zip file manager manually as admin, then change the option as 7zip doesn't bother to elevate when you try to change this.

Try it. 7 yes. 10 yes. 8.1 doesn't even recognize that you can change the program associated with the ZIP format in particular and even when setting directly in elevated 7-zip Windows always clawed the association back to Windows File Explorer somehow.

dont be mean to me fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Sep 1, 2015

MANIFEST DESTINY
Apr 24, 2009



Sir Unimaginative posted:

If it's anything like it was originally stated back when Windows Activation first became a thing, activation device matching draws heavily from motherboard and first network adapter signatures. Given that ethernet's been integrated on most motherboards for a while, at least in the XP days that made the motherboard able to make or break the hardware signature all on its own, and as sophisticated as I'm sure it's gotten since then I wouldn't be surprised if it's fundamentally still pretty similar.

Well, at least in this case a totally new MB and processor (with the ethernet integrated) didn't trip the license activation. No idea why, but I'm not complaining. We'll see when I get home whether the fresh install from the Media Creation Tool usb wants a key or not.

Truga
May 4, 2014




Lipstick Apathy

Sir Unimaginative posted:

Try it. 7 yes. 10 yes. 8.1 doesn't even recognize that you can change the program associated with the ZIP format in particular and even when setting directly in elevated 7-zip Windows always clawed the association back to Windows File Explorer somehow.

My 8.1 opens files with 7z normally, both at home, and on the computers we have at work. They are all Pro editions, though. Do you have the Home edition? Maybe someone with a home version chime in.

Other than that, I have no idea what could the issue be. Possibly broken registry.



vvvv: Same.

Segmentation Fault
Jun 7, 2012


Windows 10 spies on you and sends back what apps are running! I can't let them know I'm running Chrome, Steam, and my Eroge collection

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




MANIFEST DESTINY posted:

Well, at least in this case a totally new MB and processor (with the ethernet integrated) didn't trip the license activation. No idea why, but I'm not complaining. We'll see when I get home whether the fresh install from the Media Creation Tool usb wants a key or not.

It'll ask for one, again in out-of-box if you skip it in setup, but you should be able to skip both and have it work. It worked for me that way on every computer I have, at least.

If it doesn't, try doing a from-media upgrade within Windows 7, freshly-activated with your old 7 key, no Windows Updates needed. They might have changed things after they started putting Windows DVD Player in upgrades from 8/.1 ProWMC and 7. No it doesn't destroy your Windows 7 license; it just works like the old upgrades where you can't run both the old and new OS simultaneously without breaking the license (dual-boot is fine (I'd recommend separate physical drives if you must do this), one being a VM inside the other isn't) and it eats the rollback data after a month to save space but you can activate 7 again later if you have a reason to.

Truga posted:

My 8.1 opens files with 7z normally, both at home, and on the computers we have at work. They are all Pro editions, though. Do you have the Home edition? Maybe someone with a home version chime in.

Other than that, I have no idea what could the issue be. Possibly broken registry.

All the other file formats 7-zip handles were fine. It was just .zip, and it was on Professional.

dont be mean to me fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Sep 1, 2015

Lum
Aug 13, 2003



Sir Unimaginative posted:

Try it. 7 yes. 10 yes. 8.1 doesn't even recognize that you can change the program associated with the ZIP format in particular and even when setting directly in elevated 7-zip Windows always clawed the association back to Windows File Explorer somehow.

Worked for me, though I did clean install 8.1. Don't have any 8.1 machines left to test this on now though.

OgNar
Oct 26, 2002

They tapdance not, neither do they fart

Srebrenica Surprise posted:

I gave a link up the page if you missed it! Another thing is you can shrink it if you shrink the font on the battery (I put it at 9pt) but since the taskbar doesn't handle a single column of icons very well it's kind of moot in making the taskbar skinnier.

I must have missed it while I was searching how to do it. And Thank you very much

EasyEW
Mar 8, 2006

I've got my father's great big six-shooter with me 'n' if anybody in this woods wants to start somethin' just let 'em--but they DASSN'T.


Truga posted:

Explain how not wanting to send my metadata to microsoft is bullshit tinfoilhattery.

Just to be clear, is this mainly a combination of the lack of transparency thing and the whole "being Microsoft for the past 25 years" thing? Or is that redundant?

Irritated Goat
Mar 12, 2005

This post is pathetic.


Sir Unimaginative posted:

It'll ask for one, again in out-of-box if you skip it in setup, but you should be able to skip both and have it work. It worked for me that way on every computer I have, at least.

If it doesn't, try doing a from-media upgrade within Windows 7, freshly-activated with your old 7 key, no Windows Updates needed. They might have changed things after they started putting Windows DVD Player in upgrades from 8/.1 ProWMC and 7. No it doesn't destroy your Windows 7 license; it just works like the old upgrades where you can't run both the old and new OS simultaneously without breaking the license (dual-boot is fine (I'd recommend separate physical drives if you must do this), one being a VM inside the other isn't) and it eats the rollback data after a month to save space but you can activate 7 again later if you have a reason to.


All the other file formats 7-zip handles were fine. It was just .zip, and it was on Professional.

Think it was just your box. I ran 7-Zip and never once had an issue.

Tornhelm
Jul 26, 2008



Jan posted:

Ah, thanks. Now that you mention it, it was System that was growing quickly, not UE4. Back when this happened, I'd tried searching for "Windows 10 RAM compression", but all I could find was a reddit thread that was adamant that MS wouldn't use memory compression because it's inefficient. I wonder if there's a way to disable this? I certainly don't care for the current implementation which knocks out tabs and Visual Studio nilly willy.

I know it's a couple of pages back, but have you tried doing a refresh on that system after the upgrade? I was having issues where System was growing massive and out of control after a while of being on making the rest of the computer perform sluggishly. I did a reset and now the performance is more like what I'd usually expect and my "System" ram usage isn't jumping ridiculously.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007


Tornhelm posted:

I know it's a couple of pages back, but have you tried doing a refresh on that system after the upgrade? I was having issues where System was growing massive and out of control after a while of being on making the rest of the computer perform sluggishly. I did a reset and now the performance is more like what I'd usually expect and my "System" ram usage isn't jumping ridiculously.
"System" process growing in ram is 99% likely to be the compressed store which is normal. If it was using a bunch but the system was sluggish you might have really been out of all mappable ram (page file, compressed store, and physical) at which point things get really message as the system juggles what to do. The latter I've had happen when something was running away in a Firefox process (something flash related in the plugin container I think) which chewed up ram. The VMM then compressed what it could but it started to choke from ram starvation over time (until I killed the plugin container and everything magic zipped to normal).

Happy_Misanthrope
Aug 3, 2007

"I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

Goddamn the sporadic behavior of notifications is becoming obnoxious - this has been seen in the betas, on the rtm, the last two preview builds, and finally a clean re-install of the RTM. I'll see no notifications, then fire up the mail app - oh look, 3 new messages in the past 2 hours.

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ThermoPhysical
Dec 26, 2007





ThermoPhysical posted:

Anyone have any idea why 10 decided to make my 1.5TB storage drive a System drive and the C drive some normal thing?

How badly is this going to gently caress me over later and why did this happen?

Anyone know what's up with this? I did some Googling and it looks like it's some problem with how Windows updated...but I can't find any fixes that's not "unplug all the drives, reinstall Windows".

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