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dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




Irritated Goat posted:

Think it was just your box. I ran 7-Zip and never once had an issue.

I was just talking about file associations (as in 'I told Windows nine times to use 7-zip for zip files but it still opens them in Explorer'), by the way. Of course opening zip files if you're already in 7-zip or use Open With is going to go flawlessly.

ThermoPhysical posted:

Anyone know what's up with this? I did some Googling and it looks like it's some problem with how Windows updated...but I can't find any fixes that's not "unplug all the drives, reinstall Windows".

That's because the fix is to unplug all the drives and reinstall Windows. Unless you want to lose access to Windows if your platter drive ever kicks it (and that's sort of what platter drives do, so...)

Or, you know, figure out which port on your motherboard is actually the first SATA port Windows will look at (not necessarily the port the motherboard's screenprinting says it is) and plugging the drive you want Windows on into it.

And still unplug all other drives and reinstall Windows. Unless you want to build the recovery/system/EFI protective partition on the SSD by yourself...

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Factor Mystic
Mar 19, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

Sir Unimaginative posted:

Unless you want to build the recovery/system/EFI protective partition on the SSD by yourself...

Which is not that big of a deal. You should be able to use bcdedit to clone your existing config. Or maybe just disconnect the drives and boot to the recovery partition and let it automatically figure it out. Probably don't need to reinstall.

Tornhelm
Jul 26, 2008



xylo posted:

"System" process growing in ram is 99% likely to be the compressed store which is normal. If it was using a bunch but the system was sluggish you might have really been out of all mappable ram (page file, compressed store, and physical) at which point things get really message as the system juggles what to do. The latter I've had happen when something was running away in a Firefox process (something flash related in the plugin container I think) which chewed up ram. The VMM then compressed what it could but it started to choke from ram starvation over time (until I killed the plugin container and everything magic zipped to normal).

Possibly. All I know for certain now is that a refresh fixed it, and was eventually filling up most of my 16GB ram over the course of 24 hours or so until I rebooted which started the process again.

ThermoPhysical
Dec 26, 2007





Sir Unimaginative posted:

That's because the fix is to unplug all the drives and reinstall Windows. Unless you want to lose access to Windows if your platter drive ever kicks it (and that's sort of what platter drives do, so...)

Or, you know, figure out which port on your motherboard is actually the first SATA port Windows will look at (not necessarily the port the motherboard's screenprinting says it is) and plugging the drive you want Windows on into it.

And still unplug all other drives and reinstall Windows. Unless you want to build the recovery/system/EFI protective partition on the SSD by yourself...


Factor Mystic posted:

Which is not that big of a deal. You should be able to use bcdedit to clone your existing config. Or maybe just disconnect the drives and boot to the recovery partition and let it automatically figure it out. Probably don't need to reinstall.

How would I get to the Recovery Partition in 10?

I found a bunch of sites but I don't know which has decent advice.

http://www.eightforums.com/installa...rong-drive.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...-system.109617/
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...6a-11fe7de027e5

I'd really, really prefer not to go and reinstall the OS just to fix this problem that Windows 10 apparently created because this was not the case on 7, 8, or 8.1.

Tapedump
Aug 31, 2007


College Slice

Lum posted:

Just don't use it over a network

Latepost.. Why is this? Speed?

Factor Mystic
Mar 19, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

ThermoPhysical posted:

How would I get to the Recovery Partition in 10?

Either boot to your installation usb stick, or click on Setting -> Update & Security -> Recovery, then do the "Advanced startup" thing. Once youre in there, you can probably either use the GUI to restore bootability or open a command prompt and run bcdboot. You may be able to use bcdedit to clone your current config to another partition, but I'm not sure how to do that off the top of my head. Heck, if you're able to disconnect the drive with the boot config, you may be able to run bcdboot without needing to get into the recovery environment.

ThermoPhysical
Dec 26, 2007





Factor Mystic posted:

Either boot to your installation usb stick, or click on Setting -> Update & Security -> Recovery, then do the "Advanced startup" thing. Once youre in there, you can probably either use the GUI to restore bootability or open a command prompt and run bcdboot. You may be able to use bcdedit to clone your current config to another partition, but I'm not sure how to do that off the top of my head. Heck, if you're able to disconnect the drive with the boot config, you may be able to run bcdboot without needing to get into the recovery environment.

Would I have to do this before or after disconnecting the HDD?

Repo Man
Nov 19, 2005


For some reason Win10 has Groove Music open M3U files when you click on a link for an online radio station, but Groove Music doesn't know what to do with an M3U. Right click on the M3U, and change it back to Windows Media Player, and you can again listen to your local Public Radio station.

Repo Man fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Sep 2, 2015

beuges
Jul 4, 2005
fluffy bunny butterfly broomstick

Something I've noticed since the betas is that if Win10 downloads a new insider build through windows update, and the install fails for whatever reason, it decides to download the entire new build again, instead of just retrying. Surely they are checking the hashes of the downloaded updates before applying them, so the update that failed to install should be a valid file. For someone with a limited bandwidth cap, it gets pretty frustrating.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me





All of a sudden Windows 10 has decided it can't restart automatically for updates. I've scheduled it at multiple times in the past couple of days but I always come back to find "Whoops, we couldn't install updates please schedule updates" and it hasn't restarted. All I can find in Event Viewer is "The description for Event ID 0 from source gupdate cannot be found." at the right timestamp, and of course searching Google just gives me results of people complaining they can't stop it restarting.

I am too lazy to restart for you Microsoft.

Storm-
Jan 7, 2007

You win some, you lose some... then you lose some more.



In a few days I will be upgrading my mobo and CPU. What is the least painful way of reinstalling Windows 10 on my, by Microsoft standards, new PC? Reinstall Windows 8, reactivate through support and upgrade to 10 again? Or just buy OEM Win 10 and throw money at it since chances are you'll have to do it eventually?

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009




Fallen Rib

Storm- posted:

In a few days I will be upgrading my mobo and CPU. What is the least painful way of reinstalling Windows 10 on my, by Microsoft standards, new PC? Reinstall Windows 8, reactivate through support and upgrade to 10 again? Or just buy OEM Win 10 and throw money at it since chances are you'll have to do it eventually?

Are you running with old-style PC BIOS boot right now, and the new mobo would be UEFI boot? If that's the same, definitely reinstall. Going Win 8 install -> ensure activated -> Win 10 upgrade should work fine for that.

If you're already using UEFI boot, first try just booting back into your existing install, see if that's possible.
If not, try if you can do a boot recovery. You might need a bootable Win 10 DVD or USB for that.
If you manage to boot into your existing install, see if it will activate. If it does, awesome. Report back! If not, see if you can phone Microsoft and get them to activate, also report that back I think lots of people want to know how that kind of hardware upgrade gets handled.

If you can't get your existing upgraded install activated again, just do the Win 8 install -> ensure activated -> Win 10 upgrade dance. That ought to work.

Storm-
Jan 7, 2007

You win some, you lose some... then you lose some more.



nielsm posted:

Are you running with old-style PC BIOS boot right now, and the new mobo would be UEFI boot? If that's the same, definitely reinstall. Going Win 8 install -> ensure activated -> Win 10 upgrade should work fine for that.

If you're already using UEFI boot, first try just booting back into your existing install, see if that's possible.
If not, try if you can do a boot recovery. You might need a bootable Win 10 DVD or USB for that.
If you manage to boot into your existing install, see if it will activate. If it does, awesome. Report back! If not, see if you can phone Microsoft and get them to activate, also report that back I think lots of people want to know how that kind of hardware upgrade gets handled.

If you can't get your existing upgraded install activated again, just do the Win 8 install -> ensure activated -> Win 10 upgrade dance. That ought to work.

Yep, currently on good ol' BIOS, new one will have UEFI. I guess I'll try to boot with a Win 10 USB and try to patch things up, have a feeling it won't work but it doesn't hurt to try. Not a lot of info out there, reports say support won't let you reactivate but I guess it doesn't hurt to try. Gonna be weird in a year when the free period is over and people decide to upgrade their hardware. Wouldn't mind spending money on Windows 10, served me well so far.

I do dislike how the Media Tool forces me to install it in my native language instead of EN-US even after changing my locale/location during the upgrade. Been using Windows in English for so long even native OS language is pretty much moonspeak.

Storm- fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Sep 2, 2015

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009




Fallen Rib

Storm- posted:

I do dislike how the Media Tool forces me to install it in my native language instead of EN-US even after changing my locale/location during the upgrade. Been using Windows in English for so long even native OS language is pretty much moonspeak.

If you have it make an ISO you can choose language. If you're on Windows 8 or up you can then mount the ISO directly and just start the installer from that. If not, use WinRAR or something to unpack it and start the installer.

Truga
May 4, 2014




Lipstick Apathy

EasyEW posted:

Just to be clear, is this mainly a combination of the lack of transparency thing and the whole "being Microsoft for the past 25 years" thing? Or is that redundant?

My issue is the lack of transparency. "Being Microsoft" isn't, really. I've been using their products forever, and in the last 5 years they've been getting *a lot* better, so it's not like Microsoft is a bad thing by default or anything. I, however, do not understand why I don't have full access to the data they would like to keep about me. It just seems like a stupid decision to me.

I don't give a poo poo if everything about me is public knowledge, I'm cool with everything google/internet/social media/etc does. Privacy is, for all intents and purposes, dead. Any way you spin it, it's just gone. But then why does Microsoft feel like it has to hide what they're collecting about me? Why do they keep their data about me secret unless I go extreme lengths to retrieve it? Privacy kinda goes both ways. If they're not playing, I won't either. Simple as that. I'm probably biased cause I'm from Eastern Europe and the memory of lovely secret data collection for all kinds of bullshit is still too recent, but it is what it is.

When I can log into my Microsoft (or google or whatever other ~evil corp~ is on the top of the list today) account and browse/edit the same data about me they can, then I'll be totally cool with what they do. Until then, they're getting what I'm getting

Speaking of opting out, google search is so much more useful when it can't give you "targeted results". Just because I searched for various Linux docs all last week doesn't mean I want my loving results populated exclusively with useless ask ubuntu results when I google "ctrl caps lock remote desktop", you idiot search engine.

I'm sorry, I'll stop now.

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh

Truga posted:

When I can log into my Microsoft (or google or whatever other ~evil corp~ is on the top of the list today) account and browse/edit the same data about me they can, then I'll be totally cool with what they do. Until then, they're getting what I'm getting

https://history.google.com/history/

I don't know if that's what you're looking, but it allows you to see your text search history, location history, and you can even listen to your voice searches for whatever. My voice sounds terrible.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003



Tapedump posted:

Latepost.. Why is this? Speed?

Old old sh/sc joke that came about after someone's rant thread.

ViggyNash
Oct 9, 2012


Ia anyone else here having that system process memory leak issue? My process is hovering around 2gb right now. Reading around, it seems to be affecting people that upgraded from 8.1/7 to 10. No one can decide if it's a driver issue or a malware issue or a registry issue. Maybe none of those.

EasyEW
Mar 8, 2006

I've got my father's great big six-shooter with me 'n' if anybody in this woods wants to start somethin' just let 'em--but they DASSN'T.


Truga posted:

I'm sorry, I'll stop now.

Don't apologize. I asked an honest question, you gave me an honest answer.

But it does kind of underline the type of weirdness that's going on right now with Win10, when MS takes a look at Google/Android and they decide they want to be a little of that, but still mostly Windows, with all the baggage that implies. It feels like they're trying to jam the two cultures together and so far it's a rough transition. It's obvious from the way they're pushing Office 365 that they've fallen in love with software by subscription, though. Considering the free upgrades, that's expected. Gotta subsidize it somehow.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Fun Shoe

EasyEW posted:

Don't apologize. I asked an honest question, you gave me an honest answer.

But it does kind of underline the type of weirdness that's going on right now with Win10, when MS takes a look at Google/Android and they decide they want to be a little of that, but still mostly Windows, with all the baggage that implies. It feels like they're trying to jam the two cultures together and so far it's a rough transition. It's obvious from the way they're pushing Office 365 that they've fallen in love with software by subscription, though. Considering the free upgrades, that's expected. Gotta subsidize it somehow.

I am pretty happy with the privacy controls in Windows 10 but I'd like to see the telemetry setting be user controllable and I'd like to see users get more information on updates being delivered by Microsoft. For what its worth the only way I was able to block the telemetry data was at the router level. There was an Arstechnica article that also noted some functions not working properly even with privacy settings toggled so those should be adjusted. I don't think any of those requests is unreasonable or justifies a bunch of tinfoil hat hyperbole, not that you personally did but some people here have this silly all or nothing approach to this.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007


ViggyNash posted:

Ia anyone else here having that system process memory leak issue? My process is hovering around 2gb right now. Reading around, it seems to be affecting people that upgraded from 8.1/7 to 10. No one can decide if it's a driver issue or a malware issue or a registry issue. Maybe none of those.
Read up a few posts or just read this

quote:

Memory Manager Improvements:

In Windows 10, we have added a new concept in the Memory Manager called a compression store, which is an in-memory collection of compressed pages. This means that when Memory Manager feels memory pressure, it will compress unused pages instead of writing them to disk. This reduces the amount of memory used per process, allowing Windows 10 to maintain more applications in physical memory at a time. This also helps provide better responsiveness across Windows 10. The compression store lives in the System process’s working set. Since the system process holds the store in memory, its working set grows larger exactly when memory is being made available for other processes. This is visible in Task Manager and the reason the System process appears to be consuming more memory than previous releases.

kri kri
Jul 18, 2007



Is there a way to remove an entire Start tile group without removing every entry individually?

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007




Fallen Rib

Are people still running into the eternal reboot problem? I really liked what I saw of Windows 10 for the four hours it was working, but then everything poo poo the bed and I had to downgrade.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

The windows 10 email app while looking and functioning well is loving useless. It simply cannot consistently download and notify me of messages. Unreal. How loving hard is this Microsoft?! HUH?!

Tornhelm
Jul 26, 2008



xylo posted:

ViggyNash posted:

Ia anyone else here having that system process memory leak issue? My process is hovering around 2gb right now. Reading around, it seems to be affecting people that upgraded from 8.1/7 to 10. No one can decide if it's a driver issue or a malware issue or a registry issue. Maybe none of those.
Read up a few posts or just read this


Or alternatively if it's degrading your performance, ignore xylo's post and do a refresh to make it clean Win10. I upgraded from 8.1, had that issue, ended up doing the reset and now instead of System just continually growing and using most/all my CPU/RAM (i5 2500k OC'd/16GB ram) it's now using about what it was pre-upgrade.

Just make sure you've got your motherboard/lan/etc drivers downloaded and are on the latest bios. I had an Asrock Z68 and finding an ethernet driver for it that wouldn't cut out every 30-60 seconds was a pain in the rear end.

Happy_Misanthrope
Aug 3, 2007

"I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

redeyes posted:

The windows 10 email app while looking and functioning well is loving useless. It simply cannot consistently download and notify me of messages. Unreal. How loving hard is this Microsoft?! HUH?!
I've always had a problem with Outlook and push email - across Win8.1 with the older mail app, Outlook 2013, and now W10 + the universal mail app. Really don't know wtf, it will be immediate and provide notifications for several hours a day or work for several days in a row, then just...stop.

I basically get notified of new emails these days by my iPad's notification bell - and I'm using the Outlook app there. Always notifies, push seems to always work.

Lowtechs
Jan 12, 2001


Grimey Drawer

On the insider build and just got this notification.

quote:

Hi everyone,

As we shared in July, we have been working very hard to make Cortana available in more markets and languages. Today, we will begin rolling out Cortana to Insiders on Windows 10 Insider Preview builds 10532+ as an optional download to Insiders in Japan and in English for Insiders in Australia and Canada. We also have an early version in English for Insiders in India, which will be updated with an improved voice later this month. With these rollouts, we hope to learn a lot from your feedback as we continue to improve the experience and refine it for each market.



Later this year Cortana will also be available first to Windows Insiders in Brazil and Mexico, and in French in Canada.

Thanks,
g

Setup Instructions

Cortana is available to Windows Insiders in the following configurations. In order for Cortana to be show up on your system, please ensure you system has the appropriate Country or Region, Language, and Speech Language select for your configuration.



1. Open Settings. Select Time & language, and then Region & language.

2. Check the Language (set as default) setting for your Windows display language. If your desired language is not available, add your desired language:
•Click Add a Language.
•Select your desired language from the list.
•Select the desired locale, which is the language/country combination.
•Click on the newly selected locale and select Options.
•Under Download language pack, click Download.
•Under Speech, click Download.
•After the downloads are complete (this could take several minutes), return to the Time & Language settings.
•Click on your new language and select Set as Default.


NOTE: IF you changed languages, you must sign out of your account and back in for the new setting to take effect.

3. Check the Country or region setting. Make sure the country selected corresponds with the Windows display language set in the Language setting.

4. Return to Settings and Time & language, and then select Speech. Check the Speech language setting, and make sure it’s aligned with the previous settings.

If you are still having issues; you can further verify your settings:
•From Region & Language, under languages is a Related settings section, click on Additional date, time & regional settings, then in the control panel widow that opens:
•Under Language, click Add a language.
•A table of installed languages will display, click Options for the language you are using.
•At the top of the page under Windows display language, click Make default display language (or something like that).
•You will need to sign out for changes to take effect.


Note: If it says Enabled under Windows display language, then this is already done.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

Happy_Misanthrope posted:

I've always had a problem with Outlook and push email - across Win8.1 with the older mail app, Outlook 2013, and now W10 + the universal mail app. Really don't know wtf, it will be immediate and provide notifications for several hours a day or work for several days in a row, then just...stop.

I basically get notified of new emails these days by my iPad's notification bell - and I'm using the Outlook app there. Always notifies, push seems to always work.

This is really just solidifying my choice to switch from Windows to android for my personal computers. Basic functionality in Windows just plain sucks.

Stanley Pain
Jun 16, 2001

Bit. Trip. RIP.


BattleCattle posted:




It's -okay-. Linux is better.


I think you meant to say BSD.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003



So people on the insider build can now do "hey cortana, please do the needful?"

BattleCattle
May 11, 2014



She's still sulking at me, so

Lowtechs
Jan 12, 2001


Grimey Drawer

Lum posted:

So people on the insider build can now do "hey cortana, please do the needful?"

No they can now say "Crickey! Put another shrimp on the barbie Cortana!" or "Hey Cortana aboot that!"

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!


Nap Ghost

Lowtechs posted:

On the insider build and just got this notification.



Yep, Cortana now works for me. Right now my biggest issues with it are commands not being understood about 25% of the time I say them. Like, they render in the search bar right, then the characters just switch into jiberish and it fails. Don't quite get that. Second is that I can't get my apps to use my ja-jp XML Voice commands. They work for the other supported languages, just not Japanese. I'll put that up with it being an Insider issue, and maybe it requires an updated SDK . Also instead of "Hey Cortana", you have to say "Cortana-San" .

Not worth getting the insider build just for it (I wanted to build apps against it, but like I said, it's not working for me ) but still nice I guess.

ThermoPhysical
Dec 26, 2007





http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonk...updates-u-turn/

Looks like MS has been listening for more transparency in updates...for Enterprise users?

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me





Wow, so I guess it's true that Avril is big in Japan.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx


Stanley Pain posted:

I think you meant to say BSD.

Not on the desktop.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009

System Access Node Not Found



Does anyone know if Windows 10 Home can backup to UNC paths (network paths, specifically) like Windows 7 (and newer) Pro can? It's the one major feature that's always been lacking in Windows 7 Home.

Stanley Pain posted:

I think you meant to say BSD.
You're probably kidding, but I dual-boot FreeBSD 10.2 and Windows 10 on my workstation - takes 28 seconds to restart and boot to either OS. Windows for gaming, FreeBSD for everything else.

BattleCattle
May 11, 2014



D. Ebdrup posted:

Does anyone know if Windows 10 Home can backup to UNC paths (network paths, specifically) like Windows 7 (and newer) Pro can? It's the one major feature that's always been lacking in Windows 7 Home.

You're probably kidding, but I dual-boot FreeBSD 10.2 and Windows 10 on my workstation - takes 28 seconds to restart and boot to either OS. Windows for gaming, FreeBSD for everything else.

That's a great idea! I should do that!

Doomsday Jesus
Oct 8, 2004

Doomsday Jesus we need you now.

Windows 10 has been fine so far but Edge is loving painfully slow at times. It keeps crashing on facebook and when paying bills the new tabs that pop open for secure pages take forever to load. Also the search that's default on the bar is painfully slow. I am running 8GB RAM and have relatively new I3, so why is this a problem?

Also, is there a way for the NUMLOCK to stay on once logged into windows? I have seen all the regedits to make it on during boot and on the login screen, but nothing once logged in.

Doomsday Jesus fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Sep 4, 2015

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hooah
Feb 6, 2006
WTF?

Doomsday Jesus posted:

Also, is there a way for the NUMLOCK to stay on once logged into windows? I have seen all the regedits to make it on during boot and on the login screen, but nothing once logged in.

I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying your num lock turns itself off? Or that you don't want it to be possible to turn off, even if you hit the key?

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