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astral
Apr 26, 2004



SwissArmyDruid posted:

Well, whatever that last update did, it installed without my permission, and has now hosed Youtube in Chrome. Videos take a long-rear end time to load, and chop at the beginning because the sound needs to catch up, something it most certainly did not need to do an hour ago.

Update/re-clean-install your graphics drivers yet?

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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames


Salad Prong

Relin posted:

my friend recommended i use UNC to access things since homegroups are gone, but... it says i need a password for the target machine. it has never had a password for any of the (1) users. network discovery and all that jazz is enabled

Use the username and password you would use to log into it if you were trying to use it in person.

Homegroups basically functioned by creating a pseudo-user with a password that was the "Homegroup password" thing you had to share around. The removal of homegroups sometimes leaves this functional so existing computers keep seeing the shares without needing passwords, but usually it reverts the sharing to be directly under any of the accounts on that computer.

Manually disabling all active folder sharing and re-creating your shares with explicitly no password is usually the best solution for people, because you're not really worried about someone seeing things on your LAN.

Abalone Malone
Jul 26, 2002

...

Tiny Tubesteak Tom posted:

Latest Insider build went and loving deleted the driver for my wireless chipset in my laptop, and made the only available driver from the manufacturer incompatible. Great loving job, Windows! High quality poo poo there, especially on a near-RTM build

I've had similar problems, I've had to rebuild the OS twice from Insider builds.
after the last format , i decided to just stick with standard release.

Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009



Win10 has needed the most janitoring I believe I have ever had to do on a Windows install... Not impressed at all.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014



astral posted:

Update/re-clean-install your graphics drivers yet?

Did not know that was a thing that needed to be done, all my games presently work fine, but okay, sure, I'll slightly inconvenience myself and do it.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016


Steakandchips posted:

Win10 has needed the most janitoring I believe I have ever had to do on a Windows install... Not impressed at all.

My man have you heard of Windows ME by chance?

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014



I have! I also never touched the loving thing, so Windows 10 STILL requires the most computer janitoring that I've ever had to do on a Windows system.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013

Oh? You're
approaching me?


ME was a work of art; never before or since have I had an OS that just gently falls apart over the course of three to four months until it is functionally unusable. I'd love to know what went so disastourously wrong with it.

Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009



I had ME. It was shite, yes, but still, didn't have to janitor it as much. Things straight up didn't work, fine. In Win10 they work and then a patch later they don't, and then you janitor it to try to make them work again. It's more frustrating, as you have hope...

mystes
May 31, 2006



fishmech posted:

Manually disabling all active folder sharing and re-creating your shares with explicitly no password is usually the best solution for people, because you're not really worried about someone seeing things on your LAN.
(But you should be.)

Icept
Jul 11, 2001



I ran ME for a while when it came out and never had a problem with it, but it was fundamentally a pretty gross combination of 98 and 2K.

Anyone remember the Windows CE-ME-NT joke back in the day?

bobfather
Sep 20, 2001

I will analyze your nervous system for beer money

fishmech posted:

Manually disabling all active folder sharing and re-creating your shares with explicitly no password is usually the best solution for people, because you're not really worried about someone seeing things on your LAN.

Linksys, TP Link, Microtik, probably other companies have had critical firmware vulnerabilities in their routers in just the past year or two. Why would you give this advice out?

Truga
May 4, 2014




Lipstick Apathy

anything you could possibly have in a non-professional environment isn't worth protecting

*loses 5 tb archive of photos to ransomware*

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles



Relin posted:

my friend recommended i use UNC to access things since homegroups are gone, but... it says i need a password for the target machine. it has never had a password for any of the (1) users. network discovery and all that jazz is enabled

It's not as turnkey as home groups was, but if you're using MS accounts for login instead of local accounts you can set the permissions on the share to those which will allow for passthrough auth without having to enter passwords every time

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames


Salad Prong

mystes posted:

(But you should be.)

No, you shouldn't, since you were already fine with using Windows minimal security file shares.

bobfather posted:

Linksys, TP Link, Microtik, probably other companies have had critical firmware vulnerabilities in their routers in just the past year or two. Why would you give this advice out?

Because you people were fine using homegroups which is effectively no security, or want to use the basic level Windows file sharing which is also effectively no security.

Also spend 5 cents and get a better router.

Question Friend
Aug 3, 2018

by FactsAreUseless


Does this forum have a thread for sound systems

Lambert
Apr 14, 2018

by Fluffdaddy


Fallen Rib

Just admit you gave bad advice, jfc.

Considering all the terrible bugs in even enterprise-grade routers (looking at you, Cisco) I'm not sure "better routers" even exist.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.


Lambert posted:

Just admit you gave bad advice, jfc.

Considering all the terrible bugs in even enterprise-grade routers (looking at you, Cisco) I'm not sure "better routers" even exist.

Yeah fishmech is definitely going to admit he was wrong about something

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames


Salad Prong

Lambert posted:

Just admit you gave bad advice, jfc.

Considering all the terrible bugs in even enterprise-grade routers (looking at you, Cisco) I'm not sure "better routers" even exist.

I didn't give bad advice. No one who was relying on homegroups for the task in the first place had meaningful security in the event of a network breach.

Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009



I like my mikrotik router.

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles



"Network breech" in that case is some friend with a compromised laptop getting on your wifi and cryptolocking all your shares with anonymous write access. Your solution does nothing for that and yes, homegroups did give an authentication boundary to stop it.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


as much as it's fishmech, nothing about his post implied allowing write access on a unpassworded network share. by default they are read-only. homegroups didn't make all your poo poo writable either.



In general you should not have write access on a network share, password or no. If you really have frequent need for that type of thing get a cheap small NAS drive, or just a router with a NAS function when you plug in a USB stick.

If it's two machines you own, like a laptop and a desktop, then maybe -- but in that case why not just use the same username and password for both machines? And even then I'd still only have the writable share be a "landing zone", not your actual docs. Writable shares are vulnerable to being trashed just from user error like accidental deletion.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 4 days!


Question Friend posted:

Does this forum have a thread for sound systems

I have no idea why you asked this in the Windows thread but no. Those threads are in Inspect Your Gadgets.

Bieeanshee
Aug 21, 2000

Not keen on keening.




Grimey Drawer

I'm pretty sure this is the third time it's installed 2018-09 Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems (KB4100347).

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles



Klyith posted:

as much as it's fishmech, nothing about his post implied allowing write access on a unpassworded network share. by default they are read-only. homegroups didn't make all your poo poo writable either.



In general you should not have write access on a network share, password or no. If you really have frequent need for that type of thing get a cheap small NAS drive, or just a router with a NAS function when you plug in a USB stick.

If it's two machines you own, like a laptop and a desktop, then maybe -- but in that case why not just use the same username and password for both machines? And even then I'd still only have the writable share be a "landing zone", not your actual docs. Writable shares are vulnerable to being trashed just from user error like accidental deletion.

Writable shares are also vulnerable to being able to use them to actually get poo poo done.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

What about modify vs write. Couldn't you deny modify and allow writes? To be honest I've never see anyone use those permissions and have no idea how they might function.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Microsoft is going to reorganise the Windows group, again, after RS5 is out the door.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007


Combat Pretzel posted:

Microsoft is going to reorganise the Windows group, again, after RS5 is out the door.

Windows group hasn't existed since Terry left.

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012


Combat Pretzel posted:

Microsoft is going to reorganise the Windows group, again, after RS5 is out the door.

Maybe they smartened up and will reorganise it in a group that will only need to build the best operating system instead of a marketing platform. One can hope.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

xylo posted:

Windows group hasn't existed since Terry left.
Group, team, the three guys in the coding closet, whatever's the correct term.

Mr Shiny Pants posted:

Maybe they smartened up and will reorganise it in a group that will only need to build the best operating system instead of a marketing platform. One can hope.
Eh, I'm hoping the new UWP versions of the included apps become decent. The XAML stuff is certainly capable for it, but what's available is meh. The previous reducing of the white spaces towards what we had with traditional Win32 apps is already a good sign.

It's kinda ridiculous if you e.g. compare Outlook Express to the Mail app.

Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Sep 16, 2018

Factor Mystic
Mar 19, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

Bieeanshee posted:

I'm pretty sure this is the third time it's installed 2018-09 Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems (KB4100347).

Yeah but if you install it 2 more times, the next one is free

Howard Phillips
May 4, 2008

His smile; it shines in the darkest of depths. There is hope yet.

What is the best Time Machine like backup option?

I'm thinking about buying a few TB external drive and encrypting it for backup purposes.

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012


Combat Pretzel posted:

Group, team, the three guys in the coding closet, whatever's the correct term.

Eh, I'm hoping the new UWP versions of the included apps become decent. The XAML stuff is certainly capable for it, but what's available is meh. The previous reducing of the white spaces towards what we had with traditional Win32 apps is already a good sign.

It's kinda ridiculous if you e.g. compare Outlook Express to the Mail app.

Microsoft has a terrible trackrecord when it comes to using their own GUI libraries, which leads me to believe that they will always lag behind because the internal teams don't run into the problems regular developers run into. See WPF and the treatment it got. I think the only application of any size that is written in WPF is VS.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Mr Shiny Pants posted:

Microsoft has a terrible trackrecord when it comes to using their own GUI libraries, which leads me to believe that they will always lag behind because the internal teams don't run into the problems regular developers run into. See WPF and the treatment it got. I think the only application of any size that is written in WPF is VS.
I thought there was a mandate for the devs to only use public APIs. They're finally catching up with important controls like headered listviews, treeviews, data grid views and such. Hope that goes somewhere.

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012


Combat Pretzel posted:

I thought there was a mandate for the devs to only use public APIs. They're finally catching up with important controls like headered listviews, treeviews, data grid views and such. Hope that goes somewhere.

Maybe the UWP stuff is different but Office always had it's own GUI toolkit. I hope it is because it means their own devs will run into all the crappy stuff before we have to.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007


https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/Wi...new-wip-at-home

To

http://www.windowscentral.com/Windo...one-5-changelog

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013

Oh? You're
approaching me?


Upgrading the mixed reality headsets to be able to display the real world using the built in cameras could be pretty significant in its own way - a step towards getting the Hololens experience into the home, maybe? I'll have to look into what the update actually entails.

Dark theme in the explorer is nice, I'll definitely have to give that a try.

mystes
May 31, 2006



Are they ever going to release sets to non-insider builds?

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me





More vaseline screens please Microsoft.

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xylo
Feb 21, 2007


mystes posted:

Are they ever going to release sets to non-insider builds?
If they can make it not bad I'm sure they will.

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