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redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

BangersInMyKnickers posted:

I thought gpedit.msc was completely stripped out of the Home edition??

It is.

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Ruflux
Jun 16, 2012



Arcon posted:

Looks like that path doesnt exist in Home (though it definitely does on Pro) so I guess its something I have to move up to Pro for



Which is dumb

I just checked and on Pro it says the minimum requirement for that setting to actually work is Enterprise or Education

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


Ruflux posted:

I just checked and on Pro it says the minimum requirement for that setting to actually work is Enterprise or Education

gently caress, I was wrong. I was looking quickly through the list of stuff I have in gpedit and thought those were it (I still have those set from back when they worked on Pro)


the thing that turns off crap on the settings sidebar is "Allow Online Tips" which is in Admin Templates -> Control Panel
also there's a registry hack that works on Home

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010



Soiled Meat

The hard drive in my wife's desktop is about to crap out, but the rest of her desktop still works fine so I'm thinking of just buying her an SSD and doing a fresh install of Windows. Only problem is that I've never done a fresh install of Windows onto anything before. Two questions to start off:

1. The Windows webstore has options to either download a product code or buy a USB to install Windows from. If I download a product code, how am I going to get it onto the new hard drive to download Windows without the drive/computer being connected to the internet?

2. Which version(s) of Windows come with Office pre-installed?

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004



C-Euro posted:

2. Which version(s) of Windows come with Office pre-installed?

Has this ever been a thing? honestly curious not trying to be snarky

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Mostly all versions of Windows has Office on the start menu that you click on it and it takes you to a purchase page for Office, or it's pre-installed with a 30 day trial license. Typically you get the latter from brand name computers.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


C-Euro posted:

1. The Windows webstore has options to either download a product code or buy a USB to install Windows from. If I download a product code, how am I going to get it onto the new hard drive to download Windows without the drive/computer being connected to the internet?

You can re-use the key for Windows 7 or 8 that came with the computer, and thus don't have to buy anything.

1. get a 8gb or larger USB flash drive (which has nothing you care about on in, because this process will wipe it)
2. download this program from microsoft
3. the program will download windows 10 and make the usb stick into an installer
4. install windows 10 onto the new SSD that you put in. it helps to unplug the other drives during this process, otherwise the installer may be difficult due to another drive being the designated boot drive.


Last Chance posted:

Has this ever been a thing? honestly curious not trying to be snarky

If you're never installed windows on anything before, that probably means you buy computers and they come with Office on them.

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010



Soiled Meat

Last Chance posted:

Has this ever been a thing? honestly curious not trying to be snarky

I'm honestly not sure, I've never had to purchase it. Last time I had to instal it was from a free product code I got from my university.

E:

Klyith posted:

You can re-use the key for Windows 7 or 8 that came with the computer, and thus don't have to buy anything.

1. get a 8gb or larger USB flash drive (which has nothing you care about on in, because this process will wipe it)
2. download this program from microsoft
3. the program will download windows 10 and make the usb stick into an installer
4. install windows 10 onto the new SSD that you put in. it helps to unplug the other drives during this process, otherwise the installer may be difficult due to another drive being the designated boot drive.

Would this product key be the 25-character code (five sets of five characters separated by dashes) on this sticker on the back of her old machine?

ALso, I want the Installation Media download, right?

C-Euro fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Oct 9, 2018

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


C-Euro posted:

Would this product key be the 25-character code (five sets of five characters separated by dashes) on this sticker on the back of her old machine, would it?

ALso, I want the Installation Media download, right?

Yes and yes, "Create installation media for another PC"

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010



Soiled Meat

Klyith posted:

Yes and yes, "Create installation media for another PC"

And I don't need a purchase a Windows 10 product code right? I thought free upgrades of Windows 7 & 8 to 10 had been discontinued.

What's the best way to tell if her machine is 32- or 64-bit? I'm not sure how to tell without Windows running and her old HDD is for sure dead at this point.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

C-Euro posted:

So wait, I'll still need a purchase a Windows 10 product code right? I thought free upgrades of Windows 7 & 8 to 10 had been discontinued.

No they still work.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


C-Euro posted:

And I don't need a purchase a Windows 10 product code right? I thought free upgrades of Windows 7 & 8 to 10 had been discontinued.

What's the best way to tell if her machine is 32- or 64-bit? I'm not sure how to tell without Windows running and her old HDD is for sure dead at this point.

MS has often claimed that they're done with free updates, but they haven't turned it off. You get a 100% real license and activation.

Unless the PC is ancient it's almost certainly 64bit. The last desktop intel processors without 64bit support were more than a decade ago. If you have a model we could confirm it for you, but if this is an actual desktop and not something like an all-in-one or microbox it will be 64bit. And if it's less than 5 years old it's 64bit no matter what form factor.

Klyith fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Oct 9, 2018

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010



Soiled Meat

Klyith posted:

MS has often claimed that they're done with free updates, but they haven't turned it off. You get a 100% real license and activation.

Unless the PC is ancient it's almost certainly 64bit. The last desktop intel processors without 64bit support were more than a decade ago. If you have a model we could confirm it for you, but if this is an actual desktop and not something like an all-in-one or microbox it will be 64bit. And if it's less than 5 years old it's 64bit no matter what form factor.

It's an AIO manufactured in 2011, Lenovo Ideacentre B520. I bought it for her and I feel like I would have gotten her a 64-bit system but it was so long ago I don't know for certain.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

64bit

Ihmemies
Oct 6, 2012



How much time it is necessary to give MS time to fix their data deletion bugs? Half a year, a full year?

Arcon
Jul 24, 2013


Ihmemies posted:

How much time it is necessary to give MS time to fix their data deletion bugs? Half a year, a full year?

Theyll probably push the update back out in a couple weeks, but if you already got hit by the bug you're definitely SOL; another lesson in backing your poo poo up I guess, as much as it sucks (try using recovery software)

The worst thing is, they had people 3 months ago reporting that 1809 would delete your user profile docs in this scenario (seems to be accidentally triggering one of those 'delete user profile in X days'). They either completely ignored them despite knowing it was a thing, or never read them in the first place. Feedback Hub and Insider Preview testing are officially useless, not that many people thought otherwise.



Thanks for the regedit info; MS is the worst

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

One Potato to rule them all,
One Potato to find them,
One Potato to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them.





Bread Liar

beuges posted:

I think I've figured out what's causing this problem. If you are synchronizing your settings across multiple machines via your MS account (like one would expect everybody at Microsoft would be doing), then when you install/upgrade to 1809, your Theme is set to 'Synchronized theme' or whatever. If you switch from the synchronized theme to the default Windows one, then Explorer and the right-click menus seem to work correctly. So switch your theme to the default one, and then re-customize it. Once you customize it, it should automatically synchronize across.
Just toggling to Light and back to Dark didn't do anything for me, but playing around with the theme settings led me to the above discovery.

Bingo!

That did the trick. I suppose it serves me right for being one of the two people in the world to have a Windows phone.

lllllllllllllllllll
Feb 28, 2010

Now the scene's lighting is perfect!


I have this unusual problem with Windows 10 where I right-click on the desktop, the menu pops up, I choose to customise my screen (where I can change colours, view fonts, choose designs, etc.) and open that menu. But at that point CPU usage of one to three cores goes up to 100 or close and it will take a minute or two to take me there. Any changes (like going from "start" to "fonts") I make here take a lot of time and it feels sluggish. All other windows menus / places seem fine though. Couldn't find anything on google regarding this. Any idea? Thank you.

(AMD 2700 / 16GB / Windows is on a 256 GB Samsung SSD / Asus Prime X470 Mainboard / slighty underclocked but stable)

c0burn
Sep 2, 2003

The KKKing


lllllllllllllllllll posted:

I have this unusual problem with Windows 10 where I right-click on the desktop, the menu pops up, I choose to customise my screen (where I can change colours, view fonts, choose designs, etc.) and open that menu. But at that point CPU usage of one to three cores goes up to 100 or close and it will take a minute or two to take me there. Any changes (like going from "start" to "fonts") I make here take a lot of time and it feels sluggish. All other windows menus / places seem fine though. Couldn't find anything on google regarding this. Any idea? Thank you.

(AMD 2700 / 16GB / Windows is on a 256 GB Samsung SSD / Asus Prime X470 Mainboard / slighty underclocked but stable)

Make a new user profile and see if persists.

Ihmemies
Oct 6, 2012



I use crashplan (still) for cloud and acronis for offline backups. Just wondering..

The old rule was not to upgrade Windows before SP1 was released. Any variant of that which would apply these days? Stay 1-2 feature upgrades behind the latest one?

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

Ihmemies posted:

I use crashplan (still) for cloud and acronis for offline backups. Just wondering..

The old rule was not to upgrade Windows before SP1 was released. Any variant of that which would apply these days? Stay 1-2 feature upgrades behind the latest one?

I mean, for most home version users, I don't think you can pick, right?!

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles



Ihmemies posted:

I use crashplan (still) for cloud and acronis for offline backups. Just wondering..

The old rule was not to upgrade Windows before SP1 was released. Any variant of that which would apply these days? Stay 1-2 feature upgrades behind the latest one?

The SP paradigm is dead. You're probably smart to hold off on Win10 build updates for a while since QA is terrible these days, but the nice thing is that the issues seem to get patched out much faster than waiting for a full SP in the old days.

lllllllllllllllllll
Feb 28, 2010

Now the scene's lighting is perfect!


c0burn posted:

Make a new user profile and see if persists.
I added a new offline account and everything was normal logged in with it. Interesting. Hm, any chance this helps me to repair the other one? I haven't tinkered with the files. HWinfo64 is running but nothing else.

edit: I closed HWinfo64 and for the first time it was fine. Everything was smooth. The I restarted HWinfo64 and it stayed responsive. I suppose I can consider this one solved. Thank you, c0burn!

lllllllllllllllllll fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Oct 9, 2018

PUBLIC TOILET
Jun 13, 2009



redeyes posted:

No they still work.

Can confirm, fresh install of Windows 10 1809 on an HP laptop that only has a Windows 7 Pro key. Using that key, it activated fine.

Factor Mystic
Mar 19, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

Good news, they (probably) fixed (most of) the bug(s) that deleted all your files: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/10/09/updated-version-of-windows-10-october-2018-update-released-to-windows-insiders/


Ihmemies posted:

I use crashplan (still) for cloud and acronis for offline backups. Just wondering..

The old rule was not to upgrade Windows before SP1 was released. Any variant of that which would apply these days? Stay 1-2 feature upgrades behind the latest one?

There's a spectrum of safe/confident/bug-free computing, starting with "keep your pc powered off permanently" on one hand and "run the latest fast ring insiders and never keep backups" on the other. If you want to keep with the "wait and see" mindset from the SP1 days, generally what you can do is wait for the next twice-a-year update before updating to the previous one. So for you since 1809 just came up, now would be the time to upgrade to 1803. Then when 1903 comes out, it'd be time to move to 1809, etc.

This is basically what I do on my work laptop since I don't have the time to screw around with it. But I run slow ring at home, because I have backups and it's fun to bleed a little.

astral
Apr 26, 2004



Ihmemies posted:

The old rule was not to upgrade Windows before SP1 was released. Any variant of that which would apply these days? Stay 1-2 feature upgrades behind the latest one?

Factor Mystic posted:

If you want to keep with the "wait and see" mindset from the SP1 days, generally what you can do is wait for the next twice-a-year update before updating to the previous one. So for you since 1809 just came up, now would be the time to upgrade to 1803. Then when 1903 comes out, it'd be time to move to 1809, etc.

I do this, and I also keep backups in case something goes wrong.

wolffenstein
Aug 2, 2002
 

Pork Pro

Factor Mystic posted:

There's a spectrum of safe/confident/bug-free computing, starting with "keep your pc powered off permanently" on one hand and "run the latest fast ring insiders and never keep backups" on the other. If you want to keep with the "wait and see" mindset from the SP1 days, generally what you can do is wait for the next twice-a-year update before updating to the previous one. So for you since 1809 just came up, now would be the time to upgrade to 1803. Then when 1903 comes out, it'd be time to move to 1809, etc.
How do you enforce this? Do you use the business update branch with a # of days delayed for feature updates?

bigis
Jun 21, 2006


The disk cleanup changes suggests I shouldn’t be using the Downloads folder as a permanent storage location? Should I move my videos/etc out of there?

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


wolffenstein posted:

How do you enforce this? Do you use the business update branch with a # of days delayed for feature updates?

If you have a big enough operation to support an IT department, you set up an active directory server that takes over Windows Update for your network. Then you control everything about which updates get deployed.

If I was in charge of a small business I'd just set everything to "Semi-annual channel" rather than "Semi-annual channel(Targeted)" which gives you the big point-version updates a month or more later on it's own.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007


bigis posted:

The disk cleanup changes suggests I shouldn�t be using the Downloads folder as a permanent storage location? Should I move my videos/etc out of there?
Many years ago when I was working at a dial-up ISP, we had a free install service where some poor shmuck (me) would drive out to a customers place and install the dial-up software for them.

I did an install one time where I went to some business that a lady ran. I installed the software, shower here what to click on to connect etc. Later that day we got a support call asking where her files for he business were. You see, she stored all her "completed business files" for the last two years in the recycle bin. That way she could reuse them if she needed (because recycling was good). Of course she blamed us and configuring of the dial up network.

She was very mad.

Point being yeah downloads isn't the place to store things you want to keep. Move them to a new folder and if you want assign it as a library location for videos.

astral
Apr 26, 2004



I don't even store my downloads in the Downloads folder.

People shouldn't expect them to be deleted, though.

PUBLIC TOILET
Jun 13, 2009



I would just configure the Windows Update group policy for "Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received". Adjust this to "Semi-Annual Channel".

* Semi-Annual Channel: Feature updates will arrive when they are declared Semi-Annual Channel. This usually occurs about 4 months after Semi-Annual Channel (Targeted), indicating that Microsoft, Independent Software Vendors (ISVs), partners and customer believe that the release is ready for broad deployment.

That should work.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

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EAT SHIT



bigis posted:

The disk cleanup changes suggests I shouldn�t be using the Downloads folder as a permanent storage location? Should I move my videos/etc out of there?

Dunno about you, but my downloads folder is full of garbage, until I clear it out and decide what I actually want to keep. It's not the worst idea to organise your stuff and treat it as a temporary landing pad

It's still optional though right? I know a lot of people treat it as "my stuff" because they don't janitor their files

NFX
Jun 1, 2008



Fun Shoe


That blog posted:

This occurred if Known Folder Redirection (KFR) had been previously enabled, but files remain in the original “old” folder location vs being moved to the new, redirected location. KFR is the process of redirecting the known folders of Windows including Desktop, Documents, Pictures, Screenshots, Videos, Camera Roll, etc. from the default folder location, c:\users\username\<folder name>, to a new folder location. In previous feedback from the Windows 10 April 2018 Update, users with KFR reported an extra, empty copy of Known Folders on their device. Based on feedback from users, we introduced code in the October 2018 Update to remove these empty, duplicate known folders. That change, combined with another change to the update construction sequence, resulted in the deletion of the original “old” folder locations and their content, leaving only the new “active” folder intact.

Well done testing that, Microsoft. Considering that there are (or were) installers that hard code e.g. <Username>\My Documents, that seems really easy to trigger.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me





I double-checked and, yep, there's a My Documents sitting there in my user folder with a single item created in 2016 inside it from a game I played for like ten minutes.


I like how the code they introduced to remove the empty extra folders didn't do anything as simple as check that they were empty.

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead


How do I fix the words that show up like (shouldn�t, wouldn�t )?

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




Scalding Coffee posted:

How do I fix the words that show up like (shouldn�t, wouldn�t )?

Unless something's inducing smart punctuation on your input somewhere, the problem is forums-server-side.

Lambert
Apr 14, 2018

by Fluffdaddy


Fallen Rib

Disable smart punctuation on your Iphone.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/17/09/26/tips-turn-off-ios-11-smart-punctuation-to-avoid-data-entry-problems

(Just realized this is the Windows thread: What the person above me said)

Aeka 2.0
Nov 16, 2000

Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.






Dinosaur Gum

God drat do I hate windows somtimes. Came to my work computer after a windows 10 update and now my printer wont print. loving amazing.

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EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!



My install is still 1803 and it thinks that's the latest. It can keep believing this for all I care.

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