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Risket
Apr 2, 2004


Lipstick Apathy

I apologize if this has already come up, but I'm still confused about something.

My Dad didn't listen to me, and upgraded his Windows 7 install to Windows 10. Now, he wants to do a couple of upgrades (motherboard/CPU upgrade, memory, video card, etc...). This mean he will need to purchase a Windows 10 license, correct?

Can he revert back to Windows 7, install the various upgrades, then do the upgrade to Windows 10 again? Does Microsoft allow multiple upgrades on the same Windows 7 key?

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redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

Risket posted:

I apologize if this has already come up, but I'm still confused about something.

My Dad didn't listen to me, and upgraded his Windows 7 install to Windows 10. Now, he wants to do a couple of upgrades (motherboard/CPU upgrade, memory, video card, etc...). This mean he will need to purchase a Windows 10 license, correct?

Can he revert back to Windows 7, install the various upgrades, then do the upgrade to Windows 10 again? Does Microsoft allow multiple upgrades on the same Windows 7 key?

You can transfer the WIndows 7 license to the new motherboard, just use same key, call in, etc. Once that is done, do the 10 upgrade and it will now be active. You CANNOT transfer the free upgrade license from mobo to mobo, I tried and MS wasted like 2 hours of my life doing stupid poo poo. Nothing like repeating your key about 15 times.

Bruxism
Apr 29, 2009

Absolutely not anxious about anything.



Bleak Gremlin

EasyEW posted:

Which begs the question: Would you stick by this advice to go with the Insider Preview program (and thus installing a patch-testing OS) if you figured in the whole "this will be a system for Bruxism's dad" part of the equation?

I appreciate your advice Shadow Puppet, but I ended up buying a copy of win 10 home for him and installing that. He had a hard enough time opening files and web browsers without having to worry about anything else.

I've installed win 10 on two very different systems now and been really surprised at how easy the process had been, especially with the OS recognizing hardware and installing drivers. Honestly the only problem I've had is getting my x 52 pro working, but it looks like saitek is working on putting it sooner new drivers eventually.

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!






You did right, insider builds for a dad? You must be insane

xamphear
Apr 9, 2002

SILK FOR CALDÉ!

Skarsnik posted:

You did right, insider builds for a dad? You must be insane

Yeah, seriously. That was some nutty advice with a real weird justification.

Risket
Apr 2, 2004


Lipstick Apathy

redeyes posted:

You can transfer the WIndows 7 license to the new motherboard, just use same key, call in, etc. Once that is done, do the 10 upgrade and it will now be active. You CANNOT transfer the free upgrade license from mobo to mobo, I tried and MS wasted like 2 hours of my life doing stupid poo poo. Nothing like repeating your key about 15 times.
That's what I figured, thanks.

However, that brings up another question: What if you do the free upgrade, and then your motherboard poo poo the bed 5 minutes later? Do you need to purchase a new license with the new motherboard? I'm guessing yes, but that kinda sucks if you have to spend $119 for a license on top of $100+ for a new motherboard.

Magnus Praeda
Jul 18, 2003
The largess in the land.

Risket posted:

That's what I figured, thanks.

However, that brings up another question: What if you do the free upgrade, and then your motherboard poo poo the bed 5 minutes later? Do you need to purchase a new license with the new motherboard? I'm guessing yes, but that kinda sucks if you have to spend $119 for a license on top of $100+ for a new motherboard.

Reinstall 7 on the new motherboard and do the upgrade again. No idea what happens when the "free upgrade" period ends, though.

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go


Upgraded to Windows 10 yesterday. Since upgrading, whenever I watch a video on an attached USB drive, the entire USB hub will reset. This means that my sim racing steering wheel and a few hard drives will disappear for 10 seconds, then come back. This was never a thing in Windows 7.

Any ideas?

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

Magnus Praeda posted:

Reinstall 7 on the new motherboard and do the upgrade again. No idea what happens when the "free upgrade" period ends, though.

Exactly this. Just did this on a older mobo and it worked fine, you may have to call MS and reactivate 7 but after that its all easy.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



MC Fruit Stripe posted:

Upgraded to Windows 10 yesterday. Since upgrading, whenever I watch a video on an attached USB drive, the entire USB hub will reset. This means that my sim racing steering wheel and a few hard drives will disappear for 10 seconds, then come back. This was never a thing in Windows 7.

Any ideas?
Would guess that is a power issue in some way. Is it a powered hub?

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO



Tunga posted:

Is this only possible for people who were already testing before it released? I'm trying to use this for a second computer that I'm setting up but when I log in there doesn't seem to be any way to download the preview. At the top there's a message that basically says "Thanks for testing, Windows 10 is now out for real" with a link to a thing that tells you how to turn on Preview updates for an existing install of Win 10. How do I download the preview for a new build?

Nope, you can still sign up and participate. Just go to insider.windows.com enter your outlook email, agree to join and when it says "Welcome to the program, Insider" click on "get windows 10" or go to the download page here http://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/soft...nload/windows10 I was able to sign up with a new account just now. I'm a huge fan of the program.

Unless you are someone's elderly parent. Probably then don't as everyone else is right, I'm not quite right in the head when it comes to Microsoft.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

You'd have to be nuts to run the insider builds on anything but a dedicated test PC

Lum
Aug 13, 2003



dissss posted:

You'd have to be nuts to run the insider builds on anything but a dedicated test PC

I think the whole insider thing is genius, because the kind of person who pirates leaked betas for their bedroom/basement PC and then pirates the finished thing when it's out, thus never making MS any money, now gets to give them free beta testing forever.

Not Wolverine
Jul 1, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT
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AGENDA


shadow puppet of a posted:

I would. The abrupt reboots will get no better with a paid license. Nvidia driver updates are still going to interrupt you with screen blanking. And you can still choose to defer the update by a week if you are not a frequent rebooter.

The one tangible parent-PC issue is resetting file associations. But the pace of updates has slowed down and giving it a solid month to trial before purchase is better than buying a boxed copy and then having a cranky parent turn around demand a retro-function start menu, taskbar and compatibility with some awful, incompatible Better Homes & Gardens Weather Forecasting program that they suddenly cannot live without that will not run on more than 32bit 7.

I find it difficult to believe that Windows 10.1 pre-pre-Alpha is more stable than Windows 10 RTM.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

Crotch Fruit posted:

I find it difficult to believe that Windows 10.1 pre-pre-Alpha is more stable than Windows 10 RTM.

Funny thing, about 4-6 months before RTM, some of the insider builds were far far better than the RTM when we are talking the start menu. It got FAR worse. Also I never had issues with store apps back then. I'm sure changes to the store after that borked everything.

Doesn't really matter anyhow. That ship sailed.

Not Wolverine
Jul 1, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT
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redeyes posted:

Funny thing, about 4-6 months before RTM, some of the insider builds were far far better than the RTM when we are talking the start menu. It got FAR worse. Also I never had issues with store apps back then. I'm sure changes to the store after that borked everything.

Doesn't really matter anyhow. That ship sailed.

All I remember from my time on insider preview was a lot of little poo poo breaking and/or changing constantly.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007


redeyes posted:

Funny thing, about 4-6 months before RTM, some of the insider builds were far far better than the RTM when we are talking the start menu.
This can be a pretty common event. Basically what happens is you have a stable base (Win8.1). You branch and start Win10. You start the insider builds -- at this point it's mostly Win8 renamed Win10 and some minor bits and pieces changed. Some prototype stuff gets merged in to get the feedback/testing loop going - it's mostly stable. Real long term code/refactoring gets done with massive amounts of churn. Features merge into the top level branches. Things are less stable as these new features/refactoring come in as there are bugs. Bugs then get fixes and quality goes back up over time.

Note I'm not saying it's acceptable to have bad bugs, just that this type of cycle is very common. Believe it or not, what you're seeing right now with Windows 10 (stable, broken, really broken, broken, stable) is the exact same thing that happened with every Windows release that I can remember. It's just that most people didn't see this because there was no insider program. Even more so, many of you still won't see some of the really egregiously broken things as we stop them at our first internal fast ring (and believe me there have been some doozies on that one.)

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?


Lum posted:

I think the whole insider thing is genius, because the kind of person who pirates leaked betas for their bedroom/basement PC and then pirates the finished thing when it's out, thus never making MS any money, now gets to give them free beta testing forever.

Bingo. It's also more stable than a lot of the activation cracks, and when they bundle an anti-piracy update with a security update you don't have to wait for a new crack before fixing the flaw.

Though I never really understood why people kept using activation cracks, spoofing a KMS server works great for my home VM "lab". If I didn't have legit licenses for my day-to-day machines I'd just do that.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell



dissss posted:

You'd have to be nuts to run the insider builds on anything but a dedicated test PC

I've been running the insider builds on my main dev PC for like half a year with no ill effects. I mean, yeah I'm nuts, but I keep real-time versioned backups. Also, I haven't needed the backups because I haven't really ran in to any problems.

I wouldn't tell my dad to do it...mainly because I don't want to support that poo poo when something does go wrong.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007






Thermopyle posted:

I've been running the insider builds on my main dev PC for like half a year with no ill effects. I mean, yeah I'm nuts, but I keep real-time versioned backups. Also, I haven't needed the backups because I haven't really ran in to any problems.

I wouldn't tell my dad to do it...mainly because I don't want to support that poo poo when something does go wrong.

Have you ever tested those backups, though?

Like, would you format your computer right now and rebuild from backup and be confident about it?

Backups scare the poo poo out of me because nobody ever actually tests the drat things.

Happy_Misanthrope
Aug 3, 2007

"I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

dissss posted:

You'd have to be nuts to run the insider builds on anything but a dedicated test PC

They're being very conservative with the slow ring - it hasn't gotten a forced build since RTM. Fast ring, sure - wouldn't recommend for your main PC.

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!






KillHour posted:

Have you ever tested those backups, though?

Like, would you format your computer right now and rebuild from backup and be confident about it?

Backups scare the poo poo out of me because nobody ever actually tests the drat things.

Get crashplan and you don't really need to worry any more

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell



KillHour posted:

Have you ever tested those backups, though?

Yes.

KillHour posted:

Like, would you format your computer right now and rebuild from backup and be confident about it?

Yes.

KillHour posted:

Backups scare the poo poo out of me because nobody ever actually tests the drat things.
Incorrect!

.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009

System Access Node Not Found



A definition, if it doesn't already exist, of a proper backup system should include something about being able to verify the backup and alert if things aren't as they should be.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

careful now


Nobody needs a backup system. Everyone needs a restore system.

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003



What's the deal with the draggable part of the windows? They've made the top part of the window a uniform white, which is fine, except that only some ambiguous topmost part is draggable, whereas clicking slightly lower does nothing. How on earth am I supposed to know if I'm clicking in the right area to move a window? Does MSFT not employ any UX designers because this is obviously terrible.

Am I missing some obvious option to highlight and colour the part of the window I can act on and drag?

Ambaire
Sep 3, 2009


Oven Wrangler

Femtosecond posted:

What's the deal with the draggable part of the windows? They've made the top part of the window a uniform white, which is fine, except that only some ambiguous topmost part is draggable, whereas clicking slightly lower does nothing. How on earth am I supposed to know if I'm clicking in the right area to move a window? Does MSFT not employ any UX designers because this is obviously terrible.

Am I missing some obvious option to highlight and colour the part of the window I can act on and drag?

I'm using 8.1, not 10, but you should be able to move windows around in 10 by dragging the title bar, unless they changed and / or hosed something up really badly. It sounds like you're occasionally trying to drag the menu bar around. Could you post a screenshot of the window in question?

Also, you might try searching Control Panel for 'Color', and clicking on 'Change the color of your taskbar and window borders' under Personalization, and change it to something else so it's easier to see.

For example, the title bar in the image below is the green segment on top of the window.

Ambaire fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Oct 5, 2015

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Ambaire posted:

I'm using 8.1, not 10, but you should be able to move windows around in 10 by dragging the title bar, unless they changed and / or hosed something up really badly. It sounds like you're occasionally trying to drag the menu bar around. Could you post a screenshot of the window in question?

The problem is the title bar is now the same colour as everything else.

You can install a theme to restore the Windows 8 look, but why it's white by default is anyone's guess

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me





WinAero Tweaker includes an option to re-enable coloured titlebars.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

IF I JUST LICK ENOUGH BOOT LEATHER, BIG DADDY TRUMP WILL SURELY LOVE ME

Femtosecond posted:

What's the deal with the draggable part of the windows? They've made the top part of the window a uniform white, which is fine, except that only some ambiguous topmost part is draggable, whereas clicking slightly lower does nothing. How on earth am I supposed to know if I'm clicking in the right area to move a window? Does MSFT not employ any UX designers because this is obviously terrible.

Am I missing some obvious option to highlight and colour the part of the window I can act on and drag?
The title bar is annoying


The lack if any window padding is infuriating.

ilkhan fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Oct 5, 2015

Ambaire
Sep 3, 2009


Oven Wrangler

ilkhan posted:

The title bar is annoying


The lack if any window padding is infuriating.

What, they removed the line between the title and menu bars in 10? Just another reason why I'm not upgrading.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

Nobody Cares




KillHour posted:

Backups scare the poo poo out of me because nobody ever actually tests the drat things.

It's not a backup if you haven't practiced it.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

IF I JUST LICK ENOUGH BOOT LEATHER, BIG DADDY TRUMP WILL SURELY LOVE ME

Ambaire posted:

What, they removed the line between the title and menu bars in 10? Just another reason why I'm not upgrading.
Windows 8/10 is seriously the worst parts of AOL 3.0's UI from 1992.

The design guidelines they used are basically:
"Was it in AOL 3.0?"
"Yes."
"Was it a bad idea in AOL 3.0?"
"Yes."
"DO EET!"

ilkhan fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Oct 5, 2015

hooah
Feb 6, 2006
WTF?

Is there a way to make it so when you dismiss a notification when it pops up, it doesn't hang around in the action center? It's dumb to have to dismiss things twice.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003



Ghostlight posted:

WinAero Tweaker includes an option to re-enable coloured titlebars.

You're better off using the Aero Lite theme from that app, it fixes so many niggles like programs not wanting to re-open at the edges of the screen because they think the new invisible window borders are meant to be visible.

hooah
Feb 6, 2006
WTF?

Lum posted:

You're better off using the Aero Lite theme from that app, it fixes so many niggles like programs not wanting to re-open at the edges of the screen because they think the new invisible window borders are meant to be visible.

I just tried this, and holy poo poo the caption buttons are ugly as hell now.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell



ilkhan posted:

The title bar is annoying


The lack if any window padding is infuriating.

You should be using AltDrag! Hold down alt, drag window from anywhere. Also, hold down alt, resize window from anywhere with middle-mouse-drag.

I can see that MS hosed windows, but I hadn't even noticed until you guys started talking about it because I've been using AltDrag for so long.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Not having tabs in an Explorer window is some bullshit though.

..btt
Mar 26, 2008


Bruxism posted:

Honestly the only problem I've had is getting my x 52 pro working, but it looks like saitek is working on putting it sooner new drivers eventually.

What problems are you having? Mine's worked since Win10 release. The wheel on the throttle was a bit dodgy at first (clicks didn't register unless I fiddled with the control panel clutch setting after each reboot), but has been fine since the first post-win10 driver release, which was like a week later. All drivers were straight off the support site, I didn't do anything special.

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EvilHawk
Sep 15, 2009

LIVARPOOL!

Klopp's 13pts clear thanks to video ref


I'm having some issues with Chrome since updating to 10. Occasionally I will start up my PC and Chrome refuses to open. The process starts but no windows appear so I have to restart. It seems like this is linked to windows updates, but I'm not sure if that's just confirmation bias.

I can reinstall and see if that fixes it, but first I thought I would check in with the goon hivemind. Anyone have similar issues?

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