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isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE

Sometime in the last week my sound device has been getting blocked: after leaving my computer idle for a while, I'll come back and find that I have no sound, and attempting to play test sounds from the Windows Sound panel will error message saying that the device is in use by another application. I can fix this relatively easily by disabling/enabling my Realtek audio device in the Device Manager, but it's happened three times in the last four days and it's getting annoying.

Is there a way to check which applications is using the sound device? Volume mixer shows no sounds playing from any application. Closing active applications did not release the device. Exclusive mode is disabled. The drivers are dated 5/22/2018 and have an installation timestamp of 9/19/2018, and the issue has only been happening in the last week. I'm assuming something updated (Discord, Steam?) and is the cause of the problem but I don't know which application it is.

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Im_Special
Jan 2, 2011

Look At This!!! WOW!
It's F*cking Nothing.


Does this fucker ever work?

Factor Mystic
Mar 19, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

Yes

Im_Special
Jan 2, 2011

Look At This!!! WOW!
It's F*cking Nothing.



What's it do? Could you describe it, I've never seen it work.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


I just opened the weather app to make a screenshot to reply with, and now my live tile doesn't work anymore. It was fine before.

whaaaaat the fuuuuck


UWP is such a dumpster fire

EasyEW
Mar 8, 2006

I've got my father's great big six-shooter with me 'n' if anybody in this woods wants to start somethin' just let 'em--but they DASSN'T.


Im_Special posted:

What's it do? Could you describe it, I've never seen it work.

Did you set your location in the Weather app? Because you might have to do that, or at least that's the first troubleshooting step.





For what it's worth, the News tile is the one that takes its sweet-rear end time refreshing on my end of things.

Also about half a dozen tiles connected to third-party apps.

e: and then I tried to load the app itself and suddenly all of that went away.

But the second time was a charm...

EasyEW fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Jan 24, 2019

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Open the Store app and check for Updates too.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014



Why you would ever want to tell Microsoft anything even resembling a 100 mile radius from your actual location is beyond me.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Cause it's not like Apple doesn't already know, or Samsung or whoever. Not having a Weather app does jack poo poo.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

We dance for socialism!


Is there a way to turn Windows Updates permanently off?

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009


punk rebel ecks posted:

Is there a way to turn Windows Updates permanently off?

lol, here we go again.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

punk rebel ecks posted:

Is there a way to turn Windows Updates permanently off?

Pull your PC from your desk and throw it in the trash. Then yourself.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames


Salad Prong

punk rebel ecks posted:

Is there a way to turn Windows Updates permanently off?

Install Windows 98.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




SwissArmyDruid posted:

Why you would ever want to tell Microsoft anything even resembling a 100 mile radius from your actual location is beyond me.

You can get closer than that just with IP addresses and ubiquitous statistical modeling. If you're running Windows and connected to the Internet, they already know where you are-ish.

Hell, Microsoft's not quite a Google yet, but they have enough of the Internet's backend that you probably can't avoid them knowing you exist.

dont be mean to me fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Jan 24, 2019

Raygereio
Nov 12, 2012


punk rebel ecks posted:

Is there a way to turn Windows Updates permanently off?
If you have Pro you can set a group policy to not download & install updates automatically and instead notify you. That way you have control over when the PC reboots.

If you actually never want to install updates, you're an idiot.

xamphear
Apr 9, 2002

SILK FOR CALDÉ!

punk rebel ecks posted:

Is there a way to turn Windows Updates permanently off?
You used to be able to just disable the Windows Update service, but ever since 1809, Windows will re-enable it automatically after some time. It's more complicated now, but you can still do it, you just have to spend a few minutes following some steps: https://www.wintips.org/how-to-turn...es-permanently/ You'll be putting yourself and your personal information at slightly more risk by not getting updates, but it's your call. You're at way greater risk of having your information stolen from a server somewhere because an Equifax IT guy misconfigured a setting. So, you make the call. If someone does hack your laptop and steal your passwords, you'll only have yourself to blame.

Also, I love how absolutely pissed off some of you weirdos in here get whenever anyone wants to opt-out from intrusive forced updates (that are occasionally broken). Which is a thing that no other OS on the planet does. You get so fired up, like a single unpatched Windows 10 computer on the internet is somehow going to personally impact you. With all the things flying apart in the world, maybe you could turn that energy toward caring about something that actually matters?

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames


Salad Prong

xamphear posted:

You get so fired up, like a single unpatched Windows 10 computer on the internet is somehow going to personally impact you


You should really just run Windows 98SE if you're going to refuse to update on a timely basis, yet insist on using Windows. Your system won't be running malware that can successfully infect most other people online at that point.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

I am a strawman spewing, non listening, logic challenged douchebag supreme trolling TFR. Ignore me.


xamphear posted:

Also, I love how absolutely pissed off some of you weirdos in here get whenever anyone wants to opt-out from intrusive forced updates (that are occasionally broken). Which is a thing that no other OS on the planet does. You get so fired up, like a single unpatched Windows 10 computer on the internet is somehow going to personally impact you. With all the things flying apart in the world, maybe you could turn that energy toward caring about something that actually matters?

Android, iOS, and Windows all do automatic forced updates by default. That's what, 90-95% of consumer-facing devices?

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

Bote McBoteface. so what


GreenNight posted:

Cause it's not like Apple doesn't already know, or Samsung or whoever. Not having a Weather app does jack poo poo.

Apple knows where you are, Samsung knows, Google knows, MS knows, the NSA knows, Lowtax knows, etc. Just lol if you're paranoid enough to think every company hasn't already collected a ton of data on you, and double-lol if you're paranoid enough to live "off the grid" and successfully avoid all of that, while simultaneously posting to SA via telegraph and/or carrier pigeon.

Not that privacy concerns aren't real, but...it's a little too late....

punk rebel ecks posted:

Is there a way to turn Windows Updates permanently off?

Best response:

GreenNight posted:

Pull your PC from your desk and throw it in the trash. Then yourself.

...and honorable mention:

fishmech posted:

Install Windows 98.

...but seriously, the only conceivable reason you'd want to do that is for a permanently-offline machine, like if you were using a Win10 system to drive digital signage (for some reason.) If you're not connected to teh intarwebs* (and not exposed to local threats like malware on USB storage) then sure, I guess you don't need to keep the OS up-to-date (assuming it doesn't already have some bugs that would be patched by keeping it updated.)

*The Innernette would be OK though.

xamphear posted:

Also, I love how absolutely pissed off some of you weirdos in here get whenever anyone wants to opt-out from intrusive forced updates (that are occasionally broken). Which is a thing that no other OS on the planet does. You get so fired up, like a single unpatched Windows 10 computer on the internet is somehow going to personally impact you. With all the things flying apart in the world, maybe you could turn that energy toward caring about something that actually matters?

I get the sentiment, especially since recent Windows updates have indeed been buggy, but in general running an outdated system is a bad idea due to security threats alone. (See fishmech's reply below.) And no, a single unpatched Win10 machine isn't necessarily the issue, but a mass of them, compromised into a botnet definitely has the potential to personally affect you. Not to open a can of worms, but this is kind of like vaccination, where sometimes a vaccine can have an unfortunate side effect, and one person not getting vaccinated isn't necessarily a bad thing, but when it becomes widespread then there are definitely negative effects for the general populace.

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

Android, iOS, and Windows all do automatic forced updates by default. That's what, 90-95% of consumer-facing devices?

I don't think those mobile OS updates are quite forced, are they? I mean if anything, for Android in specific, OS fragmentation is the exact issue. I would love if all of the Android devices I have could be updated to version 9....

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

I am a strawman spewing, non listening, logic challenged douchebag supreme trolling TFR. Ignore me.


Atomizer posted:

I don't think those mobile OS updates are quite forced, are they? I mean if anything, for Android in specific, OS fragmentation is the exact issue. I would love if all of the Android devices I have could be updated to version 9....

In the sense that those devices will typically bug you to install compatible OS updates, and in most cases eventually force the matter if you defer them long enough. A technical enough person can get in there and disable the mechanism (like they can on Windows), but the out of the box behavior for most modern consumer-oriented operating systems is to patch pretty aggressively. It's a good thing, and it's not a just a Microsoft thing.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me





OS fragmentation on Android is an issue not because mobile updates aren't forced but because carriers/manufacturers stop pushing updates to devices after about a year and a half because their business models are based around locking people into plans and hawking new hardware.

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.



Is there also a problem with refusing to click the "check for updates" button because I don't want to destroy my OS by beta testing their poo poo for them? I'm still on 1803, they've been putting out monthly updates for it.

Ghostlight posted:

OS fragmentation on Android is an issue not because mobile updates aren't forced but because carriers/manufacturers stop pushing updates to devices after about a year and a half because their business models are based around locking people into plans and hawking new hardware.

Would they at least tell us if they stop giving updates? I bought my first smartphone summer 2017 and I'm still using it. It was the $200 model from Boost, and it seems to do fine what I need it to do. I'd like to keep it as long as possible.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames


Salad Prong

Ofecks posted:

Is there also a problem with refusing to click the "check for updates" button because I don't want to destroy my OS by beta testing their poo poo for them?

Yes, the problem is that you have a completely fake idea that you're trying to prevent.

astral
Apr 26, 2004



Ofecks posted:

Would they at least tell us if they stop giving updates? I bought my first smartphone summer 2017 and I'm still using it. It was the $200 model from Boost, and it seems to do fine what I need it to do. I'd like to keep it as long as possible.

Hah! If you're lucky, you'll find an end of support page at the manufacturer's website that tells you when your device stopped getting updates.

If you aren't lucky (read: most of the cheaper/non-flagship Android devices), the OS was already outdated and insecure when you bought it, and that'll never change.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




Ofecks posted:

Is there also a problem with refusing to click the "check for updates" button because I don't want to destroy my OS by beta testing their poo poo for them? I'm still on 1803, they've been putting out monthly updates for it.

Nah, you're good. Not really still the same discussion, since you're still getting auto-updates, but you're good. You should probably upgrade once your existing Windows build goes out of support, though.

quote:

Would they at least tell us if they stop giving updates? I bought my first smartphone summer 2017 and I'm still using it. It was the $200 model from Boost, and it seems to do fine what I need it to do. I'd like to keep it as long as possible.

Off-topic, but a lot of Android phones and tablets are basically sent out to die. Sure, Pixels, Android One-based phones, these days probably Samsung and Huawei flagships (as long as they don't get banned from Android by the US Government ZTE-style) and oddly enough Amazon devices because they have to roll their own Android anyway (but they're a pain if you use Google services); those are going to be roughly as safe as any Android-based thing can be for E: three years. Nothing in Android seems to be supported for longer. Might have missed a brand or three but that's what's visible. Other than those, though, you'll have to do your own research and roll the dice.

dont be mean to me fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Jan 25, 2019

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004



AreWeDrunkYet posted:

Android, iOS [...] all do automatic forced updates by default.

Nope.

isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE

Ofecks posted:


Would they at least tell us if they stop giving updates? I bought my first smartphone summer 2017 and I'm still using it. It was the $200 model from Boost, and it seems to do fine what I need it to do. I'd like to keep it as long as possible.

If you're really lucky they might put out an announcement that support for a phone model is ended, but in general they just quietly drop it. You won't see any indicator of your support status on the phone itself either way. Sometimes a phone might even get updates but only for a specific regional variant, despite the hardware being otherwise identical.

In general plan around replacing your phone after 2-3 years because even if by some miracle your phone is still getting updates your battery is going to be significantly degraded in lifespan. Especially for a $200 phone, it's not worth trying to do a battery replacement.

svenkatesh
Sep 5, 2016

by FactsAreUseless


AreWeDrunkYet posted:

in most cases eventually force the matter if you defer them long enough.

Which mobile OSes will force the matter? My iPhone is still on iOS 10 even though it is eligible for iOS 12. I didn't do any trickery to not upgrade to 12.1.3. I just ignored the upgrade prompts.

My parents' Androids (both of them are Essential phones) are still on Android Oreo even though Pie was available on Day 1.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me





Ofecks posted:

Would they at least tell us if they stop giving updates? I bought my first smartphone summer 2017 and I'm still using it. It was the $200 model from Boost, and it seems to do fine what I need it to do. I'd like to keep it as long as possible.
In my Samsung experience they just silently stop receiving feature updates, which is easy not to notice because the updates generally need to be packaged with bloatware at the same time so usually deliver later than the release date anyway. You can always root your device to circumvent the carrier/manufacturer but at that point you're managing your own updates anyway.

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.



dont be mean to me posted:

Nah, you're good. Not really still the same discussion, since you're still getting auto-updates, but you're good. You should probably upgrade once your existing Windows build goes out of support, though.

Ok, thanks. I found this page (2nd table down) and apparently 1803 will be supported until November of this year. Surely they will serve me 1809 before then.

Really kind of worried about phone security now based on the answers I'm seeing.

astral
Apr 26, 2004



svenkatesh posted:

Which mobile OSes will force the matter? My iPhone is still on iOS 10 even though it is eligible for iOS 12. I didn't do any trickery to not upgrade to 12.1.3. I just ignored the upgrade prompts.

Ooh, which version of iOS10?

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

Bote McBoteface. so what


Ofecks posted:

Is there also a problem with refusing to click the "check for updates" button because I don't want to destroy my OS by beta testing their poo poo for them? I'm still on 1803, they've been putting out monthly updates for it.

This has been mentioned in the thread before, but actually, clicking that button does pull updates sooner than they would be pushed to your system, and it is interpreted as an opt-in to test advanced updates that don't go out to everybody else.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

We dance for socialism!


Raygereio posted:

If you have Pro you can set a group policy to not download & install updates automatically and instead notify you. That way you have control over when the PC reboots.

If you actually never want to install updates, you're an idiot.

Windows updates tend to freeze my computer so...

I've never had an OS where updates so often messed things up before.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007


Klyith posted:

I just opened the weather app to make a screenshot to reply with, and now my live tile doesn't work anymore. It was fine before.

whaaaaat the fuuuuck


UWP is such a dumpster fire

yeah the tiles broken. uwp does a lot of things right and a lot of things dumb. in this case it's nothing to do with uwp though.

i looked up the bug and it has to do with .net where passing IEnumerable<System.Uri> would result in an exception which of course was unhandled. fixed merged into main today. should be in build 18326 or later (or whenever if they update the app via the store I guess?)

isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE

punk rebel ecks posted:

Windows updates tend to freeze my computer so...

I've never had an OS where updates so often messed things up before.

You mean when it's on the "Installing update x of y" screen when shutting down/booting up? It's probably not frozen, sometimes it just takes a long rear end time on that screen and there's no visual feedback on whether or not it's progressing. I'm guessing Windows is extra slow there for safety as well (multiple verification steps in case of interruption i.e. the user just hit the power button because it was taking too long).

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




punk rebel ecks posted:

Windows updates tend to freeze my computer so...

I've never had an OS where updates so often messed things up before.

There might be a hardware problem with your computer. I had a power supply go out many years ago and it came with random freezes like that. I had an SSD go out a couple years ago, same thing. Probably different causes (probably 'could no longer deliver enough power' and 'onboard processor lockup' respectively).

Im_Special
Jan 2, 2011

Look At This!!! WOW!
It's F*cking Nothing.


Atomizer posted:

This has been mentioned in the thread before, but actually, clicking that button does pull updates sooner than they would be pushed to your system, and it is interpreted as an opt-in to test advanced updates that don't go out to everybody else.

Oops.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars





So it isn't actually busted, but also wasn't supposed to be available for button-pushers, AND ALSO got fed to users automatically.

So 'don't push the button unless you want to be the first wave of an update' didn't even help here.

That's a big drat blunder.

PUBLIC TOILET
Jun 13, 2009




Yeah.

Recently wiped and reinstalled from Windows 10 Professional to Windows 10 2019 LTSC simply because I won't use any of the apps and I prefer my updates be more controlled (you know, tested and proven, ultimately just security updates, right?)

One week later, fast forward to today.

Strange, Windows is telling me I have to restart to complete updates? I think I should check Update & Security. Hm, it installed KB4481031 outside normal Patch Tuesday? Let me Google this.

What?

quote:

The cumulative .NET Framework update was listed as a preview update and as such, should never have been offered as an automatic update on Windows Updates.

Alright, I'm done.

Adjusted Group Policy / Configure Windows Update to ONLY NOTIFY ME.

The gently caress, man?! Why is this poo poo still happening?

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Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

Bote McBoteface. so what


Christ, that's actually worse than I'd thought so far. It turns out Microsoft pulled a Microsoft; who knew?

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