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Ur Getting Fatter
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight



Grimey Drawer

Raldikuk posted:

Apparently it is also because they are afraid of user dataloss since it is so close to the tab close button.


I'm guessing no one suggested just moving the loving mute button away from the tab close button?

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beuges
Jul 4, 2005
fluffy bunny butterfly broomstick

Combat Pretzel posted:

I wonder how Chromium Edge will work in regards to DRM video, like Netflix et al. Because Chrome enjoys all that fancy 1080p and 4K content so far.

What I'm wondering is what Google's going to do with that idiotic 'please switch to chrome pretty please' popup that it shoves onto every page of every site it publishes when it encounters a user browsing with Chromium Edge.

astral
Apr 26, 2004



beuges posted:

What I'm wondering is what Google's going to do with that idiotic 'please switch to chrome pretty please' popup that it shoves onto every page of every site it publishes when it encounters a user browsing with Chromium Edge.

They'll just leave it there. Why wouldn't they?

c0burn
Sep 2, 2003

The KKKing


Microsoft should spoof the normal chrome user agent string

Geemer
Nov 4, 2010




c0burn posted:

Microsoft should spoof the normal chrome user agent string

Just like how they made IE say Mozilla in its user agent string back when Netscape was still relevant and better?

astral
Apr 26, 2004



Geemer posted:

Just like how they made IE say Mozilla in its user agent string back when Netscape was still relevant and better?

And now everything is Mozilla!

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.



I use Firefox on my phone because Chrome mobile doesn't support extensions (uBlock Origin) for some reason. I don't do much browsing on my phone but it works ok most of the time. Chokes on large images sometimes (like video game area maps).

Javid posted:

Jdownloader is great for ripping video or audio from YouTube, anyway. No need to use an extension.

Tried this a while back for a request on another forum (a Twitch -> YT transplant/archive thing), thinking my gigafiber connection would make a quick easy project. Jdownloader is way too slow, and apparently to unlock the real speeds you need to pay them a subscription.

Ofecks fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Mar 25, 2019

Lambert
Apr 14, 2018

by Fluffdaddy


Fallen Rib

Ofecks posted:

I use Firefox on my phone because Chrome mobile doesn't support extensions (uBlock Origin) for some reason. I don't do much browsing on my phone but it works ok most of the time. Chokes on large images sometimes (like video game area maps).

Samsung Internet is Chrome with adblocking extensions, it's great. And available for all devices (not just Samsung) through the Play Store.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007


Combat Pretzel posted:

CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-D shows an overlay with debug info. There's a Playing Bitrate line that also shows current streaming resolution. Max bandwidth might just have been prebuffering.
Thanks. It's showing 1080p.

Javid
Oct 21, 2004

My sole partiality is to that delectable spiced meat. Any additional confederation of vegetables shall not compromise the pie as I see it.

Lambert posted:

Samsung Internet is Chrome with adblocking extensions, it's great. And available for all devices (not just Samsung) through the Play Store.

nice

Raygereio
Nov 12, 2012


I upgraded to 1809 recently. Since then, every time the computer boots I get a message in the notification center saying there's a problem with my Microsoft account. No real info, just "there's a problem".
I use a local account, so I'm not sure what it's complaining about. The only thing tied to my Microsoft account is the mail app and that works completely fine.

Anyone got a clue what that could be? Google'ing "there's a problem with my microsoft account" doesn't really give any useful info.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Probably fuckin OneDrive trying to connect to your MS account and it's not setup.

Raygereio
Nov 12, 2012


GreenNight posted:

Probably fuckin OneDrive trying to connect to your MS account and it's not setup.
Yep. That was it. The 1809 update enabled OneDrive again.
Thanks.

Ur Getting Fatter
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight



Grimey Drawer

Anyone have any ideas why Excel keeps launching at boot? Always a blank workbook, not a recovered one.

It started a few weeks ago and I have no loving clue why. No obvious culprits in the Startup tab.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Hit the Start button and type Start and there should be a Startup Apps setting. See if Excel is in there. Otherwise you can do a repair install and see if that fixes it.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

xylo posted:

Thanks. It's showing 1080p.
Sweet.

I've installed the leaked build, and it lists PlayReady DRM in the experimental flags, so they've added the necessary DRM.

However, Netflix doesn't work in that build here. :[

UI looks nice, tho. I guess I can go back to a Chromium browser. Stock Chrome's pill style and lack of contrast edges on elements pisses me off.

Hipster_Doofus
Dec 20, 2003

Lovin' every minute of it.

Raygereio posted:

Yep. That was it. The 1809 update enabled OneDrive again.
Thanks.

That is loving asinine. "You turned off OneDrive so we turned it back on for you but you're not using it and we want you to use it so we're gonna tell you there's a 'problem. '" God the unmitigated disrespect.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Yeah we have onedrive removed from our images but when a new build rolls out it gets reinstalled. Super awesome.

eames
May 9, 2009



Hipster_Doofus posted:

That is loving asinine. "You turned off OneDrive so we turned it back on for you but you're not using it and we want you to use it so we're gonna tell you there's a 'problem. '" God the unmitigated disrespect.

Reminds me of this heh:
https://twitter.com/stevesi/status/1107915637077139456
Was looking at migrating to Office 365 but nnnnope, who knows what other lovely growth tactics they have in store.

IIRC disabling Onedrive also pops up a (permanent until overridden) Windows Defender Alert because of missing cryptolocker protection.

eames fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Mar 28, 2019

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me





Sounds like a regional thing because I've never signed into OneDrive on my machine or been harassed by it - it's not even running in the background and I have full green ticks across Security.

Raygereio
Nov 12, 2012


Hipster_Doofus posted:

That is loving asinine. "You turned off OneDrive so we turned it back on for you but you're not using it and we want you to use it so we're gonna tell you there's a 'problem. '" God the unmitigated disrespect.
I honestly wouldn't be annoyed at it if Windows had just told me the issue was OneDrive. It's still dumb, but the problem would have been gone quickly.
But who thinks just telling the user "There's a problem" is good design? I honestly got nothing from windows to indicate the problem was OneDrive.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

Ghostlight posted:

Sounds like a regional thing because I've never signed into OneDrive on my machine or been harassed by it - it's not even running in the background and I have full green ticks across Security.

Dunno, its happened on almost every box Ive seen in the last months.

isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE

Raygereio posted:

I honestly wouldn't be annoyed at it if Windows had just told me the issue was OneDrive. It's still dumb, but the problem would have been gone quickly.
But who thinks just telling the user "There's a problem" is good design? I honestly got nothing from windows to indicate the problem was OneDrive.

My suspicion about that error message isn't that it's a growth tactic but in actually a lack of effort in coordination between the Defender team and the OneDrive team - nobody bothered to tell the Defender team how to properly notify the user about error XYZ, so they just slapped on a generic message and called it a day.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

One Potato to rule them all,
One Potato to find them,
One Potato to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them.





Bread Liar

I've been getting the "account problem" message for a while now.

I thought I had uninstalled OneDrive, but no, it turns out it was still there. Hiding.

Googled how to turn it off permanently so we'll see where we go from here, then.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

When 1904 comes out in 2 weeks or whatever, it'll come back.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014



I can't wait for 1904 to come out, and then I have to deal with DCH driver bullshit.

Lambert
Apr 14, 2018

by Fluffdaddy


Fallen Rib

DCH drivers work fine, seems like a good concept.

For Intel Graphics, they now have a new "Graphics Command Center" that will replace their existing utility in the future: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/i...vot:overviewtab

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014



I have no problems with the concept. The bullshit that I'm talking about are device vendors either mislabeling drivers, not providing updated drivers, and/or Windows pitching a fit for no good reason at all.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


Ghostlight posted:

Sounds like a regional thing because I've never signed into OneDrive on my machine or been harassed by it - it's not even running in the background and I have full green ticks across Security.
For me some updates have pushed OneDrive, some don't.

The last couple updates have not reinstalled it, but for that to work you had to fully uninstall OneDrive, not just disable it.

SwissArmyDruid posted:

I can't wait for 1904 to come out, and then I have to deal with DCH driver bullshit.

a. It's 1903 even if they don't get it out until May.
b. What is changing with that for 1903?

gourdcaptain
Nov 16, 2012



I just looked up what DCH drivers are after not hearing the term before and, ummm:


https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000031572/programs/intel-corporation.html posted:

As of November 2018, driver updates for Intel products on these operating systems will begin transitioning to Windows DCH Drivers. After a driver has been updated to a Windows DCH Driver, it's possible to roll back to a legacy driver; however, rolling back isn't recommended as it involves a complex process that could result in system instability. This system instability is especially pertinent to graphics drivers. You can find more information on this subject.

Hipster_Doofus
Dec 20, 2003

Lovin' every minute of it.

Because of course

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


gourdcaptain posted:

I just looked up what DCH drivers are after not hearing the term before and, ummm:

You can switch back, you just have to manually uninstall the DCH driver and then install the standard one, rather than use a rollback or the friendly "double-click an exe" installer. Like you stepped back in time to 2004 when we had to do that every time we upgraded drivers.




DCH drivers are not a thing anyone needs to worry about. They're not mandatory and standard driver packages aren't going away. It's a MS initiative that's actually full of good design principles, except for the part where MS wants everyone to use UWP app control panels.

DCHU drivers are probably gonna be encouraged by MS to the OEMs selling PCs, because having some actual standards means drivers can be automatically maintained easier. Driver updates being done by random poorly-secured OEM apps has proven to be a bad thing recently. It's a good thing that MS is gonna make them ditch that poo poo and just use MS update to do drivers.

Power users can continue to pave over your PC after you take it out of the box and install standard drivers that you maintain yourself.

gourdcaptain
Nov 16, 2012



Klyith posted:

You can switch back, you just have to manually uninstall the DCH driver and then install the standard one, rather than use a rollback or the friendly "double-click an exe" installer. Like you stepped back in time to 2004 when we had to do that every time we upgraded drivers.

TBF, I wasn't sure given past experience with Intel if this was a particular problem with DCH or with Intel's DCH drivers in specific. Both seemed believable.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT



Klyith posted:

DCH drivers are not a thing anyone needs to worry about. They're not mandatory and standard driver packages aren't going away. It's a MS initiative that's actually full of good design principles, except for the part where MS wants everyone to use UWP app control panels.

The last non-DCH driver for my integrated Intel graphics was released in 2017

mystes
May 31, 2006



Klyith posted:

except for the part where MS wants everyone to use UWP app control panels.
If this gets rid of all the crap the intel/realtek drivers come with, I'm all for it.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


baka kaba posted:

The last non-DCH driver for my integrated Intel graphics was released in 2017

So... use the up to date driver? And turn off windows automatic driver updates if you want to manage it yourself?

DCH isn't some sort of totally different driver, it's just a different packaging. Nvidia has both DCH and standard and it's the same driver on the inside. If Intel has only DCH then it is just "the Intel driver".



I don't know what this is, but I'm against it!

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT



Well I mean you said standard driver packages aren't going away so people don't need to deal with DCH, I was giving an example where they have and you do? And Intel's own advice is

quote:

After a driver has been updated to a Windows DCH Driver, it's possible to roll back to a legacy driver; however, rolling back isn't recommended as it involves a complex process that could result in system instability. This system instability is especially pertinent to graphics drivers.

so they seem to think it's a bit more complicated than "it's the same driver it just comes in a different package", so the average user isn't going to want to deal with whatever rolling back involves

So yeah, if you upgrade and it's all good, cool? If it's not, you might have problems. My OEM Intel graphics drivers seem to get released on a yearly basis, the last one was a month ago but the actual driver version is pretty old. If I want to just update to a newer one, I'll have to change over to a DCH version, because that's all they have now. But what if there are issues? What if it doesn't play well with Optimus or the OEM colour management software? What if rolling back ends up a nightmare, I regret even trying, and things are still messed up because I can't get everything back to the original state?

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames


Salad Prong

I believe their announcements also say that they're not going to issue DCH drivers for chips before 6th-generation Core processors and their associated graphics chipsets. So it may not even be a question for you.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT



Nah it's 7th gen and there are a good year or two of updates, I'm just real leery about installing a non-OEM driver I can't roll back reliably (and not because Dell don't gently caress up, more because even they manage to run into issues with this, really don't want to tempt fate)

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Lambert
Apr 14, 2018

by Fluffdaddy


Fallen Rib

You can roll it back no problem. Also, non-OEM drivers are fine 99.9% of the time.

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