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AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!



Is this a graph? I don't know what this is.

Thanks to SAL Venting about Students

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cinci zoo sniper
Mar 14, 2013



AlphaKretin posted:

Is this a graph? I don't know what this is.

Thanks to SAL Venting about Students
Reported for inline goatse.

Ramos
Jul 3, 2012




AlphaKretin posted:

Is this a graph? I don't know what this is.

Thanks to SAL Venting about Students

See, if I were to criticize this, I'd first need to know what the gently caress is actually going on within context. And no, I have no idea even with context. Especially with context.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 14, 2013



Ramos posted:

See, if I were to criticize this, I'd first need to know what the gently caress is actually going on within context. And no, I have no idea even with context. Especially with context.
Hmm, now that I see the context, I must say that red and pink 0s are idk what, but rest of it sort of makes sense in the context. Despite that, or in spite of that, it still is a terrible diagram nonetheless.

Ramos
Jul 3, 2012




Hey, if anyone wants to lay it out in Layman's terms what all is going on on that webpage, I'd be glad to hear about it.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 14, 2013



Ramos posted:

Hey, if anyone wants to lay it out in Layman's terms what all is going on on that webpage, I'd be glad to hear about it.
In really layman terms it's failed sociologist talking out of their rear end about pseudoscience. Trying to explain that any further is akin to gazing into the abyss.

Ramos
Jul 3, 2012




Cool, so there was nothing to actually get.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 14, 2013



Ramos posted:

Cool, so there was nothing to actually get.
For physics folks it can be an interesting read to see what's the crazy thing of the week etcetera, but the particular image in question does not even go as far as making complete sense within the framework it attempts to represent, to best of my ability on reading into this inane mess at least. Hence, any attempts to properly engage with the material are an honest disservice to oneself.

You could try asking someone in physics thread to give you a short summary on what exactly that mess is about, or at least on where does it fail, but do not be surprised if a request like that will not be met with enthusiasm, really.

Zeniel
Oct 18, 2013


Based on poking around the site, I think the graph is supposed to be a representation of what happens when an electron undergoes quantum tunneling, the creation of holons and spinons. Of course there's also a big chunk of text linking it all to the Yin Yang and chi potency, so its probably just new age quantum woo gibberish.

The Flour Moth
May 22, 2001

WHAT HATH PONIES WROUGHT


No ring.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.




lol alright ally, gently caress off.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?


Coohoolin posted:



lol alright ally, gently caress off.

Wow, at first I thought they just distended the scale to only show the upper end but they just made up the bar heights.

GottaPayDaTrollToll
Dec 2, 2009

by Lowtax




The Nolan Chart is silly enough as it is, but when you use it to claim that a moderate social democrat actually holds the most left-wing positions that are humanly possible, you immediately ascend to a lifetime position as mayor of clowntown.

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club

Lipstick Apathy

I think it's more like, Sanders is the most liberal politician in modern American history, so he set the curve.

popewiles
Jan 8, 2006

Just chillin' in the sink



Fathis Munk posted:

Wow, at first I thought they just distended the scale to only show the upper end but they just made up the bar heights.

I imagine that guy took over ticket sales in the 12/13 season and he made that poster to make himself look better.

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx


GottaPayDaTrollToll posted:



The Nolan Chart is silly enough as it is, but when you use it to claim that a moderate social democrat actually holds the most left-wing positions that are humanly possible, you immediately ascend to a lifetime position as mayor of clowntown.

This reminds me of the civil war 2 cube.

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

To be fair, I don't think that chart was designed to encompass the entire spectrum of human political thought, just American politics.

grate deceiver
Jul 10, 2009


Why the hell is it tilted like that, it's so annoying to read.

Also, socialist is somehow less gov't intervention in social issues? And more gov't intervention = populism? Huh?

Regalingualius
Jan 6, 2012


GottaPayDaTrollToll posted:



The Nolan Chart is silly enough as it is, but when you use it to claim that a moderate social democrat actually holds the most left-wing positions that are humanly possible, you immediately ascend to a lifetime position as mayor of clowntown.

Bernie Sanders: Well-known for not wanting to get the government involved with loving anything, ever.

Sinestro
Oct 31, 2010

The perfect day needs the perfect set of wheels.


You dumb shits, that chart isn't hard to read at all, if you bother to read the labels. It's saying that he is in the 0th percentile of US politicians in terms of support for gov't interventions in social issues (at least the regressive views that are considered for that chart) and in the 100th percentile of US politicians in terms of support for gov't intervention in the economy.

Whiz Palace
Dec 8, 2013


There's also the ideological bent in making "most" 0% and "least" 100%, when it would be more logical the other way around.

Ego-bot
Jul 8, 2007


grate deceiver posted:

Why the hell is it tilted like that, it's so annoying to read.

Libertarianism gets to be on top where it rightfully belongs.

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009


PleasureKevin posted:



very informative graph here from google

Bees on Wheat
Jul 18, 2007

I've never been happy



QUAIL DIVISION


Buglord

I imagine this is the process that many chart and graph designers go through before saying "eh, gently caress it" and publishing whatever they've come up with anyway.

CellBlock
Oct 6, 2005

It just don't stop.


Sinestro posted:

You dumb shits, that chart isn't hard to read at all, if you bother to read the labels. It's saying that he is in the 0th percentile of US politicians in terms of support for gov't interventions in social issues (at least the regressive views that are considered for that chart) and in the 100th percentile of US politicians in terms of support for gov't intervention in the economy.

Percentile-based actually does explain why Sanders comes out looking so extreme on the chart, but I think it's also because the chart is usually framed as "Social Freedom" and "Economic Freedom." A socialist would score low on "Economic Freedom" because they support freedom limiting things like taxes and consumer protections, and they score high on "Social Freedom" because they try to ease the restrictions on drugs.

When you realize the only people who use these charts are internet libertarians whose political stance is basically just a combination of "gently caress you, got mine" and "Smoke weed erryday," you get every politician other than Ron Paul looks like an rear end in a top hat.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012



Grim Up North
Dec 12, 2011




SneezeOfTheDecade
Feb 6, 2011

2:35 PM, 5 April 2017. 153 decibels. Caused the cat actual harm.




Coohoolin posted:



lol alright ally, gently caress off.

Telegnostic
Apr 24, 2008


The problem with that graph isn't that the y-axis is truncated. It's that the heights of the bars bear no relationship at all to the values they represent.

Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007


Telegnostic posted:

The problem with that graph isn't that the y-axis is truncated. It's that the heights of the bars bear no relationship at all to the values they represent.

It's one of those bar graphs where one bar is stacked on top of the other, like a vertical pie chart.

Telegnostic
Apr 24, 2008


Sorry, I was referring to the "over 38000 season tickets" graph.

Compare the numbers to the heights of the bars.

SneezeOfTheDecade
Feb 6, 2011

2:35 PM, 5 April 2017. 153 decibels. Caused the cat actual harm.




Telegnostic posted:

Sorry, I was referring to the "over 38000 season tickets" graph.

Compare the numbers to the heights of the bars.

The larger numbers have the taller bars. The heights don't "bear no relationship at all to the values they represent", the 12/13 bar is just exaggerated in height (the distance between the top of the 12/13 bar and the top of the 10/11 bar should be about 2/3 the distance between the top of the 11/12 bar and the top of the 10/11 bar). And all of this is further exaggerated because the Y-axis is truncated.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?


There is no Y-axis, so how do you know it's truncated though ? Clearly they just didn't make bar heights that are proportional to the actual value.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 14, 2013



Fathis Munk posted:

There is no Y-axis, so how do you know it's truncated though ? Clearly they just didn't make bar heights that are proportional to the actual value.
Abscissa here is the time, and ordinate - the sales.

Telegnostic
Apr 24, 2008


Besesoth posted:

The larger numbers have the taller bars. The heights don't "bear no relationship at all to the values they represent", the 12/13 bar is just exaggerated in height (the distance between the top of the 12/13 bar and the top of the 10/11 bar should be about 2/3 the distance between the top of the 11/12 bar and the top of the 10/11 bar). And all of this is further exaggerated because the Y-axis is truncated.

Yes, exactly this. Truncated axis or not, you can't just arbitrarily make one bar taller or shorter without changing the other bars.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.


Fathis Munk posted:

Wow, at first I thought they just distended the scale to only show the upper end but they just made up the bar heights.


popewiles posted:

I imagine that guy took over ticket sales in the 12/13 season and he made that poster to make himself look better.

The team in question, the Glasgow Rangers, went bankrupt and liquidated in 2012. They reformed as The Rangers, a new company, and club, but had to start again in the third division of Scottish football, at the time the lowest league possible without counting amateur highland leagues. A lot of pisstaking was going on about them being hosed and not being able to keep up the same crowds, since they went from being the historic winners of the 50 Scottish premiership titles to a new club with no history in the lowest leagues. That's the manager at the time, Ally McCoist, and the "chart" is to show how actually they're doing soooo much better because "WE DON'T DO WALKING AWAY".

Here's a funny sketch to help you understand the mentality at play here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3il9rf6lPE

(The Ramsden's Cup is a charity sponsored cup only competed for by the lower leagues. The boycotting joke is a reference to Rangers' preponderance to muscle out through political or legal pressure anyone they feel is being unfair (i.e. critical) about them: http://wingsoverscotland.com/hullo-...the-bully-boys/

Rangers is also historically a British loyalist club with an anti-Irish history, as you can read about in the above article)

Coohoolin has a new favorite as of 21:29 on Jan 31, 2016

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?


kalstrams posted:

Abscissa here is the time, and ordinate - the sales.

I meant a labeled, drawn axis. Not just having something in y. Since there is no scale or anything who's to say it's been cut off.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004


Coohoolin posted:

Rangers is also historically a British loyalist club with an anti-Irish history, as you can read about in the above article)

And also just right-wing/racist in general.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

Gone Phishing



ekuNNN posted:

And also just right-wing/racist in general.

But that's all footballers.

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Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.



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