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peter gabriel posted:god dammit look at these fuckin cats They are quite spoiled.
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This is the Hotas you are looking for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV7ZN_G9Exg
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Mar 15, 2016 19:25
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orcinus posted:1) mechanical reliability ah that makes a lot of sense, i figured it had to do with how they're constructed. i can't imagine that's fun to use for sims/games though unless they have a heeeeavy rear end baseplate to account for all the pushing/pulling being done?
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Mar 15, 2016 19:25
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Scruffpuff posted:Now I'm picturing an Obama stylized poster of Chris Roberts with the text "No we can't." 
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Mar 15, 2016 19:26
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peter gabriel posted:A hotas is poo poo for sc, like complete loving rear end. It is also by far the best controller for sc such are the sheer shitness of everything about it. Nah they make a headset thingy that you add your samsung phone to in order to make a VR headset. See my edited post above.
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Mar 15, 2016 19:27
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orcinus posted:It is placebo motion because motion itself has 0 effect on control surfaces. It's got nothing to do with the control surfaces, and everything to do with kinematics/preconception. Also, the stick doesn't run out of displacement before reaching the max pressure values (+25/-17lbs in pitch and I forgot what roll is), it's calibrated by smart people Yes I've used an x-65, no it does not compare to proper FS setups. By 'fake it' (poor choice of words) I mean the bean counters or whoever at Saitek thought they could get away with ignoring research establishing the importance of that tiny bit of displacement. It's not that you *can't use it this way, it's that it comes at the expense of efficiency which is why original F-16 prototypes were static but later modified to the hybrid system. You can place your X-65 on firm, thin closed cell neoprene foam pad (like the type used for camping) and get most of the same effect you would if they didn't reduce this otherwise fine (still don't like the cheap rear end buttons) stick's potential. Sundowner posted:So if I'm understanding this right, they tried to implement a stick system where it didn't actually physically move but rather the input was how much pressure you pushed/pulled onto the stick? How in the gently caress... why is that better than a traditional stick? Correct, the F-16 uses force sensing instead of displacement based controls. The high loading that aircraft is capable of (>9g's) makes it difficult for pilots to gauge and control inputs using traditional displacement systems since your arm is being subjected to the same loading. Also with fly-by-wire systems there is no longer any need for large displacements, allowing controls to occupy smaller amounts of precious cockpit real estate. F-16 was the first, but later many modern jets use the same type of system for the same reasons, improved pilot performance and more flexible cockpits. e: details.. Thoatse fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Mar 15, 2016 19:31
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Sundowner posted:i can't imagine that's fun to use for sims/games though unless they have a heeeeavy rear end baseplate to account for all the pushing/pulling being done? Yeah. Heavy + suction pads + large footprint and bob's your uncle. But the sensitivity of the force transducers is adjustable. And you don't have to push them any harder than you would a movable stick.
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Mar 15, 2016 19:32
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peter gabriel posted:A hotas is poo poo for sc, like complete loving rear end. It is also by far the best controller for sc such are the sheer shitness of everything about it. from what i've played the other controlling methods ain't that great either almost like there's something wrong with the game (CITIZEN WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) Ursine Catastrophe fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Mar 15, 2016 19:33
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Thoatse posted:You can place your X-65 on firm, thin closed cell neoprene foam pad (like the type used for camping) and get most of the same effect you would if Saitek's bean counters didn't reduce this otherwise fine (still don't like the cheap rear end buttons) stick's potential. The suction pads on the bottom actually provide that slight movement already. At least on my sample. I'd actually prefer it not do that, as it gives me the feeling something's wrong / the whole thing is sliding on the table. IDK, i'm weird. Re: buttons - got ya there, the quality of the switches is atrocious. In fact, the first one i had was so hosed up it wasn't even funny. 2 switches dead, 1 misreported as a different switch, 1 triggered by the mouse stick on the throttle (wtf i don't even). Saitek's QA is poo poo. I opened it up out of curiosity before sending it back - the solder work was crap. Thoatse posted:It's got nothing to do with the control surfaces, and everything to do with kinematics/preconception. Oh, come on, do you really believe proprioception even comes into play in an actual cockpit, as it pertains to a movement of 1/8th of an inch, max. displacement? The only reason it was done was so they get a feeling of when they hit the end of the range. That is all. It does gently caress all for getting a feel of where in the whole input range you currently are, especially when the pilot is pulling Gs. PS: If you're controlling the craft based on the feedback of your stick movements, instead of whole body proprioception (g forces), instrumentation and plane movements relative to the environment, you're quite likely doing something wrong. Because you're missing one heck of a piece of the feedback loop. About a plane-sized piece. orcinus fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Mar 15, 2016 19:36
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A Neurotic Jew posted:I'm convinced this is because of my posts warning newcomers about the red flags surrounding this game. that really pisses people off for some reason. get a refund bro Dont taze me X3
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Mar 15, 2016 19:40
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Daztek posted:I use a Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick, it's really cheap, good quality and a great starter hotas I concur
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peter gabriel posted:A hotas is poo poo for sc, like complete loving rear end. It is also by far the best controller for sc such are the sheer shitness of everything about it. hell M+K are rear end. I have been playing to make my stupid videos and drat those ships fly like ben running for the toilet. Wobbly, all over the place and slow + look out for when you land!
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Mar 15, 2016 19:42
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 my other cat!
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Mar 15, 2016 19:51
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I'm Derek Smart's father, so if he does anything I should know about, let me know
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Mar 15, 2016 19:51
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SC with M+K is useless, because the mouse controls are actually an EXTREMELY shittily implemented virtual joystick. With an input range that's not even square for some weird reason. From what i've gleaned, it changes with the screen aspect ratio (WTF?). e: Then again, it's useless with anything.
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Mar 15, 2016 19:51
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You know, I just realized what bothers me about cultists the most; they're perverting crowdfunding with their willingness to be victims. Like if I invest in a company privately or through the market then I get equity in that company. Or if I purchase (even in advance) product from a company then I'm a customer who owns the license or product I've purchased. But these loving idiots are convincing themselves that they are neither investors NOR customers. It's loving astonishing.
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Mar 15, 2016 19:55
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Mar 15, 2016 19:59
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squirrelzipper posted:You know, I just realized what bothers me about cultists the most; they're perverting crowdfunding with their willingness to be victims. Like if I invest in a company privately or through the market then I get equity in that company. Or if I purchase (even in advance) product from a company then I'm a customer who owns the license or product I've purchased. But these loving idiots are convincing themselves that they are neither investors NOR customers. It's loving astonishing. They literally take pride in being rats in a Skinner box. "I'm not shocking myself to get to the food on the other side, the food is a reward for being shocked!"
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Mar 15, 2016 20:00
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Chris moments before slamming into a wall at 90km/h because a pilot deactivated the gravity and turned on the main engine.
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Mar 15, 2016 20:02
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The station rings are broken in a new way... https://youtu.be/vrL8M4aG7VU?t=121 At 2:04 you can see that the ring rotation isn't constrained to a single axis.
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Mar 15, 2016 20:08
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I too remember when Chris fell off the Natakomi Tower
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Mar 15, 2016 20:08
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Stannum posted:The station rings are broken in a new way... Wow, that's actually quite astonishing to build something that badly. Especially when they have to little to show in the first place. If they put their best foot forward, and this is their best foot, that's a bad sign. If they didn't, then why the gently caress not since you're trying to sell this game, that's also a bad sign. Star Citizen: A Bad Sign
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Mar 15, 2016 20:11
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Stannum posted:The station rings are broken in a new way...    No actual words needed.
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Mar 15, 2016 20:12
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Tippis posted:He was in the Vietnam War, not the French Revolution. Do they have ladies with their titties out at every war?
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Mar 15, 2016 20:13
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Stannum posted:The station rings are broken in a new way... I think you will find that throughout every facet of Star Citizen there is a lack of constraint.
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Mar 15, 2016 20:14
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Mar 15, 2016 20:17
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Stannum posted:The station rings are broken in a new way... And to think at some upcoming event they said they're "just going to show what we have a the time" instead of creating an actual video package in advance.
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Mar 15, 2016 20:18
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Mar 15, 2016 20:22
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THERE ARE FOUR LIES
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FrankieGoes posted:Do they have ladies with their titties out at every war? Wouldn't be much of a war otherwise.
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WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Mar 15, 2016 20:29
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Decrepus posted:Chris moments before slamming into a wall at 90km/h because a pilot deactivated the gravity and turned on the main engine. Most likely he'll freeze into a T-pose and clip through the ship wall first
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Mar 15, 2016 20:34
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 Hello from my spaceship.
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Mar 15, 2016 20:35
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needs pot leaves, mtn dew logos and dubstep
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Mar 15, 2016 20:35
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Galarox posted:Nah they make a headset thingy that you add your samsung phone to in order to make a VR headset. See my edited post above. Ah yeah, yeah I have one, they are good for what they are They have a trackpad on the side which is awesome for menus etc
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Why Sweden?
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Now we need one with him massaging aBen jiggle face gif.
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