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CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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TheLastRoboKy posted:

The article's pretty straight with what info it has. I know we'd all like to see some giant boots kicking CIG in the pants over this but they author is waiting to see the flames before they call it a dumpster fire.

Even a legion of morons filling their comments section with limp attempts at being clever and condescending isn't really going to convince the author there's a fire. It's going to convince the author there's a bunch of really loving dumb, rude and arrogant morons invested financially and emotionally in the contents of the dumpster that may or may not be going up in flames sometime down the track.

Or, yaknow, the fact that the freaking head of CIG responded to one such article with a long-winded rant, attacking its author and demanding that the story be pulled, said author and publication telling them they won't do that...and CIG and their idiots pretending like it never happened.

I'd say that kind of a reaction is a pretty clear indication of there being fire. Or at least, if I were a journo and in any way looked at this, I know I'd be working on a follow-up piece after such an event, since it'd be pretty much guaranteed page views down the road and later, after it crashed and burned, allowed me to say: "I was one of the first to write about it and suspected something was up, yo!"

CrazyLoon fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Nov 7, 2015

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Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...


Grimey Drawer

duck monster posted:

A shitload of pages too late, but... I went as far as buying a fancy joystick with throttle and everything just to make this game playable and I still cant loving drive this game at all.

And I say that as someone who played Eve and was half decent at it (eventually) which is a total mindfuck of complexity.

Something like Rebel Galaxy is more my pace. pew pew spaceboot shootemup

Have you tried mouse + keyboard or a XBox360-controller? Some people for some reason have trouble with one way of playing Elite and just needed to switch to another way to have fun. It's probably whatever your muscles are more familiar with. For me mouse+keyboard is the bane of my existence, simulator games like Elite simply don't work if I play them this way. But if you played a lot of games with mouse+keyboard but weren't even born when all games were played with joysticks, you'd probably be more familiar with mousecontrol than with joysticks.

TheLastRoboKy
May 2, 2009

Finishing the game with everyone else's continues


CrazyLoon posted:

Or, yaknow, the fact that the freaking head of CIG responded to one such article with a long-winded rant, attacking its author and demanding that the story be pulled, said author and publication telling them they won't do that...and CIG and their idiots pretending like it never happened.

I'd say that kind of a reaction is a pretty clear indication of there being fire. Or at least, if I were a journo and in any way looked at this, I know I'd be working on a follow-up piece after such an event, since it'd be pretty much guaranteed page views down the road and later, after it crashed and burned, allowed me to say: "I was one of the first to write about it and suspected something was up, yo!"

The Chris Roberts letter doesn't really prove that Star Citizen isn't going to come out and that CIG is on the verge of its failure cascade coming to light. It's a pretty good indicator that there's a whole shitload of problems but it's not really the dumpster fire everyone's waiting for. The dumpster fire I'm talking about is the point when CIG can no longer sustain the charade and all the smoke and mirrors come down, and everyone has to sit down and admit they got hosed and their money is gone. That's what the author is looking at as a possibility, that's what we're all expecting to happen, that's what the crazy backers are having conniptions about whenever it gets mentioned. Fact is since that letter and all the idiocy that happened from it CIG is still keeping up the image to their (seemingly eager to be misled) backers that things are trotting along nicely.

But you're right about the follow-up. The clever ones will be keeping an eye on this thing so they can be the first to get the article out titled "THE STAR CITIZEN DREAM CRASHES" and then the retrospectives asking "What went wrong?" because as the author says in the end, Star Citizen loving up would be a pretty big deal in terms of discussions about the future of crowd-sourcing.

Decrepus
May 21, 2008

In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.


Responding to D_Smart's blog took me 8 hours. Eight hours I could have spent on the game. I spend every waking hour working on the game. Such as in my video where I demonstrated coding by typing one line on the computer screen and the mumbling incoherently while moving my hands around as if trying to restrain a serpent.

Percelus
Sep 9, 2012

My command, your wish is



starkebn posted:

You guys sure like picking on people's appearances in this thread

Yeah, some of the comments about Sandi are a little much especially. There are so many things to mock about these people, we don't need to resort to this poo poo.

Except Ben, he is a glutton. I have no problems shaming the gently caress out of someone who put on a couple of hundred pounds in the span of a few years with no sign of reversing that trend. Ben, if you are reading this, why not eat a healthy 2000 calories a day and use the money you save from food bills to do a number of things such as saving a nest egg for with poo poo goes south and you are left high and dry, buying more jpegs in case of a miracle event in which the game comes out and is great, or even donating it to starving children abroad. There is quite simply so much biomass on this planet and hoarding it is plain wrong.

Anyway, Croberts was so smart in making :lesnick: the fall guy because when time comes for him to fall on his sword, the layers of fat will prevent it from reaching his internal organs.

Percelus fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Nov 7, 2015

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

SKELITON_BRINGING_U_ON.GIF


you know what guys i'm not sure if this game is ever coming out

you'd have to be pretty silly to buy into it imo

SeraphEightyFour
Nov 6, 2015

by Cowcaster


Goredema posted:

I guess they're a real journalism site, because they're falling for the same dumb logic that most 24 news channels follow:

"Our two guests tonight are Vox Day, who thinks all minorities and females should be severely beaten and then locked in cages forever, and an average NOT INSANE human being, who believes all people should have equal freedoms under the law. I suppose the truth lies someplace in the middle!"

:commissar: No, no it doesn't. Sometimes the truth lies very very close to one side of the argument, especially when the other side is comprised of pants-shittingly-retarded fanatics.
This is VERY true, the truth is often extreme. Like when you accept the reality that capitalism is a structural genocide, reform becomes insanely unethical. Would you reform slavery? No.

Then why would anyone argue to reform wage-slavery? I hope every capitalism-apologist gets strung up with their bankster-statist heroes when the revolution comes. Also before anyone claims I'm a bitter plebe, I worked for myself six and a half hours yesterday and made about $1400 so here's a preemptive gently caress you kid, get a real job.

SeraphEightyFour fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Nov 7, 2015

Othin
Nov 20, 2002



Hair Elf

SeraphEightyFour posted:

This is VERY true, the truth is often extreme. Like when you accept the reality that capitalism is a structural genocide, reform becomes insanely unethical. Would you reform slavery? No.

Then why would anyone argue to reform wage-slavery? I hope every capitalism-apologist capitalismgets strung up with their bankster-statist heroes when the revolution comes. Also before anyone claims I'm a bitter plebe, I worked for myself six and a half hours yesterday and made about $1400 so here's a preemptive gently caress you kid, get a real job.

$1400 bucks in six hours and can't even afford an AV. Pretty sad state of affairs imo.

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011





Fan of Britches

SeraphEightyFour posted:

This is VERY true, the truth is often extreme. Like when you accept the reality that capitalism is a structural genocide, reform becomes insanely unethical. Would you reform slavery? No.

Then why would anyone argue to reform wage-slavery? I hope every capitalism-apologist capitalismgets strung up with their bankster-statist heroes when the revolution comes. Also before anyone claims I'm a bitter plebe, I worked for myself six and a half hours yesterday and made about $1400 so here's a preemptive gently caress you kid, get a real job.

ah. there we go. I recognize that particular scent.

Its not that everyone thinks you are a pedo, its just you are the loving worst.

:frogleave:

You are blips of at best distraction in this thread.

but only because i measure burns on you on a 0-10 scale.

Dan Dideo and loving fishmech have more comedic value than you.

save your money, seek help, seek professional help.

establish positive relationships and stuff and just. ugh. stop.

with love.

SeraphEightyFour
Nov 6, 2015

by Cowcaster


Othin posted:

$1400 bucks in six hours and can't even afford an AV. Pretty sad state of affairs imo.

I can afford some more btc, a $90 gourmet dinner, and a sweet new $800 curved HP Envy monitor. It's not ideal that I can't build a personal gaming and donation-based porn-making McMansion yet, but we'll get there soon enough thanks to Bitcoin.

DEATH TO KKKRAPITALISM ALLAHU AKBAR! DEATH TO EVERY BANKSTER! DEATH TO EVERY DEFENDER OF BANKSTERZ! I SHALL BUILD AN ARMY OF HOMELESS TO TRAMPLE THIS WORLD INTO SHADOW AND FIRE! ONE COIN TO RULE THEM ALL AND IN THE DANKNESS BIND THEM SMOKE WEED EVERY DAY HAILSAURON DO BATH SALTS OFF YOUR MOMMAS TITTIES WOOOO!

SeraphEightyFour fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Nov 7, 2015

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015




TheLastRoboKy posted:

The Chris Roberts letter doesn't really prove that Star Citizen isn't going to come out and that CIG is on the verge of its failure cascade coming to light. It's a pretty good indicator that there's a whole shitload of problems but it's not really the dumpster fire everyone's waiting for. The dumpster fire I'm talking about is the point when CIG can no longer sustain the charade and all the smoke and mirrors come down, and everyone has to sit down and admit they got hosed and their money is gone. That's what the author is looking at as a possibility, that's what we're all expecting to happen, that's what the crazy backers are having conniptions about whenever it gets mentioned. Fact is since that letter and all the idiocy that happened from it CIG is still keeping up the image to their (seemingly eager to be misled) backers that things are trotting along nicely.

But you're right about the follow-up. The clever ones will be keeping an eye on this thing so they can be the first to get the article out titled "THE STAR CITIZEN DREAM CRASHES" and then the retrospectives asking "What went wrong?" because as the author says in the end, Star Citizen loving up would be a pretty big deal in terms of discussions about the future of crowd-sourcing.

The croberts letter is most definitely a dumpster fire. What you're referring to as the dumpster fire would be more accurately described as the dumpster fire setting the entire city block ablaze and killing all inhabitants.

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

SKELITON_BRINGING_U_ON.GIF


SeraphEightyFour posted:

I can afford some more btc, a $90 gourmet dinner, and a sweet new $800 curved HP Envy monitor. It's not ideal that I can't build a personal gaming and donation-based porn-making McMansion yet, but we'll get there soon enough thanks to Bitcoin.

DEATH TO KKKRAPITALISM ALLAHU AKBAR! DEATH TO EVERY BANKSTER! DEATH TO EVERY DEFENDER OF BANKSTERZ! I SHALL BUILD AN ARMY OF HOMELESS TO TRAMPLE THIS WORLD INTO SHADOW AND FIRE! ONE COIN TO RULE THEM ALL AND IN THE DANKNESS BIND THEM SMOKE WEED EVERY DAY HAILSAURON DO BATH SALTS OFF YOUR MOMMAS TITTIES WOOOO!

you should see a therapist imo

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015




TubeStank posted:

you should see a therapist physician that is morally okay with assisting suicides imo

Sloppy Milkshake
Nov 9, 2004

I MAKE YOU HUMBLE



i don't understand how someone can need attention that badly

ShineDog
May 21, 2007
It is inevitable!

SeraphEightyFour posted:

I can afford some more btc, a $90 gourmet dinner, and a sweet new $800 curved HP Envy monitor. It's not ideal that I can't build a personal gaming and donation-based porn-making McMansion yet, but we'll get there soon enough thanks to Bitcoin.

DEATH TO KKKRAPITALISM ALLAHU AKBAR! DEATH TO EVERY BANKSTER! DEATH TO EVERY DEFENDER OF BANKSTERZ! I SHALL BUILD AN ARMY OF HOMELESS TO TRAMPLE THIS WORLD INTO SHADOW AND FIRE! ONE COIN TO RULE THEM ALL AND IN THE DANKNESS BIND THEM SMOKE WEED EVERY DAY HAILSAURON DO BATH SALTS OFF YOUR MOMMAS TITTIES WOOOO!

good point well made.

WebDO
Sep 24, 2009




Sloppy Milkshake posted:

i don't understand how someone can need attention that badly

Outside of Reddit, where can pedophiles find social interaction?

4 inch cut no femmes
May 31, 2011


Prison

Othin
Nov 20, 2002



Hair Elf

SeraphEightyFour posted:

I can afford some more btc, a $90 gourmet dinner, and a sweet new $800 curved HP Envy monitor. It's not ideal that I can't build a personal gaming and donation-based porn-making McMansion yet, but we'll get there soon enough thanks to Bitcoin.

DEATH TO KKKRAPITALISM ALLAHU AKBAR! DEATH TO EVERY BANKSTER! DEATH TO EVERY DEFENDER OF BANKSTERZ! I SHALL BUILD AN ARMY OF HOMELESS TO TRAMPLE THIS WORLD INTO SHADOW AND FIRE! ONE COIN TO RULE THEM ALL AND IN THE DANKNESS BIND THEM SMOKE WEED EVERY DAY HAILSAURON DO BATH SALTS OFF YOUR MOMMAS TITTIES WOOOO!

I'd send you a private message asking for advice on making it big but you seem to be too poor to afford platinum. :(

Lime Tonics
Nov 7, 2015

by FactsAreUseless


Just wanted to give thanks for the insights in this thread, crazy people aside. I was in for 190, got a refund and used some of the funds to buy an account here. Funny thing is my logon still works at the other site even though it's supposed to be permanent deleted. The refund took forever though. A month or so, but keep at it and you'll get it eventually. I registered cause I got sick of seeing the kid get eaten by a window or whatever that thing is.

Reclaimer
Sep 3, 2011

Holy shit, I'm feelin' bad for you right now.





:drat:



Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008


Grimey Drawer

Lime Tonics posted:

Just wanted to give thanks for the insights in this thread, crazy people aside. I was in for 190, got a refund and used some of the funds to buy an account here. Funny thing is my logon still works at the other site even though it's supposed to be permanent deleted. The refund took forever though. A month or so, but keep at it and you'll get it eventually. I registered cause I got sick of seeing the kid get eaten by a window or whatever that thing is.

Welcome to the :gary: PAAAAARRRP forums

Apparently my phone prediction algorithm now suggests parp right after :gary: now

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless


College Slice

Drewjitsu posted:

So Derek, when CIG fails, are you envisaging an ET: the game death of video games, or something less apocalyptic?

I envision a cross between the 38Studios collapse and the DNF fiasco. But much - much - louder and more catastrophic

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless


College Slice

mormonpartyboat posted:

lol no the only thing vox day deserves is being crammed into a barrel full of dicks and rolled into a raw sewage fire so he's forced to choose between choking, drowning, or burning to death

OK now you're being silly. I have NO problems with VD. We all have opinions about things. Most may not be popular. But how we express them is key. I find keeping an open mind means that, regardless of popular opinion, one can remain objective in any discourse.

Anyway, go register

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/11/brainstorm-with-derek-smart.html

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless


College Slice

Darkpriest667 posted:

Seconded, I'd buy her a nice avatar or premium whichever. I think more ex-CIG employees would be good for this thread.

Their NDA and exit agreements prevent them from talking about anything related to their previous employer. That aside from the career suicide that doing so is certain to ensure.

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings

D_Smart posted:

I envision a cross between the 38Studios collapse and the DNF fiasco. But much - much - louder and more catastrophic

Some men just want to see the 'Verse burn, I guess. :v:

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless


College Slice

Olesh posted:

Derek, at the risk of appearing somewhat hypocritical in arguing against the person rather than the message, associating with an unrepentant and misogynist white supremacist like Teddy Beale on even a professional level is highly unlikely to do you any present or future favors in terms of gaining or retaining any sort of credibility for yourself. Regardless of your intentions, this is going to cause people to perceive you in a negative fashion as they become aware of this.

That's like saying Democrats have no business talking to Fox News. It's all relative.

Also...https://twitter.com/voxday/status/662995332029161472

Someone said it best I thought; and is precisely the same campaign the people who don't like me, wage incessantly.

"this whole "disavow this person I don't like" thing is repellent, straight out of the SJW playbook."

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless


College Slice

SirTagz posted:

Still not balancing out BC and LOD

Not sure what that's supposed to mean. Please explain.

Io_
Oct 15, 2012

woo woo



Pillbug

An Enron type scandal with shell companies siphoning money all over the place / hiding losses and numerous other financial malfeasance would neither shock nor surprise me at this point in time. I also predict that the games press will be woefully under equipped to deal with it because they mostly have the business reporting skills of a stunned hedgehog and will run spend most of their energy running around asking 'how could this happen?' and stating the obvious.

kordansk
Sep 12, 2011


Why is the constant rebuttal of telling someone they are an idiot for spending money on jpegs is that they have disposable income. How do they not see that the argument has nothing to do with disposable income and everything to do with the fact that it is a stupid loving purchase regardless. At least if you are going to throw money away, gamble so you have at least a remote possibility of winning some of it back.

Reclaimer
Sep 3, 2011

Holy shit, I'm feelin' bad for you right now.




D_Smart posted:

That's like saying Democrats have no business talking to Fox News. It's all relative.

Also...https://twitter.com/voxday/status/662995332029161472

Someone said it best I thought; and is precisely the same campaign the people who don't like me, wage incessantly.

"this whole "disavow this person I don't like" thing is repellent, straight out of the SJW playbook."

Do you know Ted Rall?

2DCAT
Jun 24, 2015

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Gravy Boat 2k


No. Also, stop supporting a racist, sexist, bigot. tia

BMan
Oct 31, 2015

KNIIIIIIFE
EEEEEYYYYE
ATTAAAACK




D_Smart posted:

That's like saying Democrats have no business talking to Fox News. It's all relative.

Also...https://twitter.com/voxday/status/662995332029161472

Someone said it best I thought; and is precisely the same campaign the people who don't like me, wage incessantly.

"this whole "disavow this person I don't like" thing is repellent, straight out of the SJW playbook."

Derek this is not a "talking to Fox News" situation, this is a "talking to Stormfront" situation.

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.


Derek your wings are starting to melt. Dive dive dive hit your burners pilot

Good Dumplings
Mar 29, 2011

Excuse my worthless shitposting because all I can ever hope to accomplish in life is to rot away the braincells of strangers on the internet with my irredeemable brainworms.


D_Smart posted:

That's like saying Democrats have no business talking to Fox News. It's all relative.

Also...https://twitter.com/voxday/status/662995332029161472

Someone said it best I thought; and is precisely the same campaign the people who don't like me, wage incessantly.

"this whole "disavow this person I don't like" thing is repellent, straight out of the SJW playbook."

Derek, when you go on, I would emphasize that you're a successful black man as much as possible. Rub it in his face the whole way and see how far it goes before he ends the interview. I'd recommend just not going on his show because he's a racist that nobody respects, but if you want to do it that badly I'd at least do that to not look like you totally support his views.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."


BMan posted:

Derek this is not a "talking to Fox News" situation, this is a "talking to Stormfront" situation.

Oh, but I'm sure it all depends on how they express their point of view! If one of those fine gentlemen eloquently explained, why all brown and black people had to be gassed and women enslaved, I'm pretty sure I would nod agreeably and admit that the truth must lie somewhere in the mid-bwahahahahahahah....

Derek...it's not even just a matter of 'who we don't like'. It's a matter of how people will look upon you, once you take a person like this seriously. And trust me when I say this, it won't help your cause one bit, drawing the same kinds of nutjobs that the Star Citizen side has on its side to yours.

But if you want to :shrek: all up in this bitch, and wreck your rep after perhaps salvaging it to a degree of last few months, then have at it, son. I know I'll be :munch:ing all the way!

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

🐱Hence, ⚾nothing remains 😶except our regrets😭.



Lipstick Apathy

D_Smart posted:

OK now you're being silly. I have NO problems with VD. We all have opinions about things. Most may not be popular. But how we express them is key. I find keeping an open mind means that, regardless of popular opinion, one can remain objective in any discourse.

Anyway, go register

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/11/brainstorm-with-derek-smart.html

What part of "I'm not supporting this guy and his ideas even by registering on his site" don't you get? I'm not even saying my opinion on the guy here, I'm quoting places where he says that black people are subhuman rapists and burning women with acid is appropriate because they're feminist. I'm not registering on a site which has a cute little meme about how an actual child murderer is a hero because his bombing/shooting spree was about Muslim people. I feel like I'm on a watch list just looking at that.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos


Derek is a racist now?

BMan
Oct 31, 2015

KNIIIIIIFE
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ATTAAAACK




A relevant image:

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup


Pillbug

Io_ posted:

An Enron type scandal with shell companies siphoning money all over the place / hiding losses and numerous other financial malfeasance would neither shock nor surprise me at this point in time. I also predict that the games press will be woefully under equipped to deal with it because they mostly have the business reporting skills of a stunned hedgehog and will run spend most of their energy running around asking 'how could this happen?' and stating the obvious.

This.
But with a release of a half finished product, and Peter Molyneux type speak from Chris claiming its finished and blaming the world for why its not better. But his NEXT project will be.
Then we hear nothing from him for several years, and then Star Colony is announced.

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Gorman Thomas
Jul 24, 2007


Turn left Derek nooooooooo

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