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Zereth posted:I'm pretty sure they see video game adaptions as like, competitors. The reason we're getting all these videogame adaptations of Warhammer Fantasy is because they killed the setting, not despite it. True. This might be why Total Warhammer will probably be the first and only Warhammer game to eventually make all factions playable. Funny how their IPs are always best when others work on it. Kavak posted:Investment brokers who don't do market research? That's why the ended up at GW instead of anywhere else.
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Zereth posted:I'm pretty sure they see video game adaptions as like, competitors. The reason we're getting all these videogame adaptations of Warhammer Fantasy is because they killed the setting, not despite it. Just in case someone thinks this is hyperbole, it's not. The same investor call stated that they see their own videogames as competitors to the minis game.
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theironjef posted:How many threads are dedicated to GW business chat? It's like seven, right? All threads are the Death Thread.
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Kavak posted:Investment brokers who don't do market research?
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Oh hey, I was wondering where this thread went. It somehow fell off my bookmarks. I promised a Vampire review once upon a time. That time is now.
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 Vampire: the Requiem 2nd edition is probably the closest any CofD game comes to actually being about personal horror. I mean, to one extent or another, they all try, but Vampire tries harder most of the time. It tries to focus on the power and freedom of vampirism...and its costs and the difficulty of retaining your sense of human connection, because vampires are immortal monsters that desperately need something to keep themselves from just being bestial killers. ”Truth and Lies” posted:Vampires drink blood. And, because we need to, our list of inspirational media. Already Dead by Charlie Huston, Carmilla by J. Sheridan Le Fanu, The Hunger by Whitley Strieber (or the movie by Tony Scott), Near Dark by Kathryn Bigelow, Night Junkies by Lawrence Pearce, Brick by Rian Johnson, The Big Sleep, The Little Sister or Farewell My Lovely, all by Raymond Chandler, Go by Doug Liman, and Katja from the Punk Band by Simon Logan. Our introduction to the world of vampires begins with the clans. Each clan is essentially a different archetype of vampire - in fact, the clan books from 1e and the recently released covenant book for 2e basically reveal that each clan is a completely different species of monster, all of which convergently evolved into very similar (but distinct) shapes. There are five primary clans: Daeva, who are the Sexy Vampires. Gangrel, who are the Violent Vampires. Mekhet, who are the Mysterious Vampires. Nosferatu, who are the Spooky Vampires. And Ventrue, who are the Noble Vampires. Next time: Clans in detail
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theironjef posted:How many threads are dedicated to GW business chat? It's like seven, right? People just can't quit GW. 
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Furthermore, (moreover) I consider that GW must be destroyed
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Kavak posted:Investment brokers who don't do market research? That's the norm
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Kurieg posted:Just in case someone thinks this is hyperbole, it's not. The same investor call stated that they see their own videogames as competitors to the minis game. This is also why they cancelled their deal with Fantasy Flight Games. lol
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Vampire: the Requiem, 2nd Edition The Daeva, also called Serpents, are terribly dangerous. They’re strong and fast as hell, but that’s not why. They’re dangerous because they are beautiful. They are magnetic. They make you want to let them eat you. They fascinate. More than any other clan, they are the vampires that are social dangers. In ancient times, they were worshipped as gods, exploiting mortals directly. That is what they were born into, as a vampiric species. In modern times, the Daeva are temptation Daeva exist in a state greater than any living being. They are stronger than human, faster than human, more attractive than human. They are cult leaders, socialites, rock stars - even if only on a small scale. They are takers, because to them, the world can only be the takers and the taken. They prey on human desire and human weakness, and they don’t even have to work for it - people fall over themselves to give it to the Daeva. They offer everything you want - and the worst part is, they’re not holding out on you. They’ll give you what you want, what you desperately need, and all they want in return is the blood that runs in your veins. Some say the clan’s origins lie with the goddess Inanna, a mistress of war who slew her handmaiden, Lilith, who was known as the Stranger, the Scorned and the Serpent of Eden. She regretted it - and so she ransomed Lilith back from the owls of the underworld...but, well, she came back changed. Hungry. Some Daeva say they can hear the owls screeching in their dead slumbers - calling for what they are owed. Others tell stories of the dancing plagues. Those are real - quite well documented, too. A woman in France began dancing. In days, thirty dancers were in the streets. In months...even more. They danced until the heat struck them down, until their ribs broke, until they died. Some went about naked, while others wore outlandish clothes, and others even had sex in the streets. Some became violent when others refused to dance, or around the color red or pointed shoes. No one knows why, to this day. Some villages lost up to 50 people to the dance - or more, because sometimes, well, the corpses didn’t stop dancing. They say there’s a woman in Strasburg, in a monastery, who has not stopped since 1518. She loves the color red. Some tell the story of a wicked stepmother and a princess, fairest in all the land. In this story, however, the princess dies. Her stepmother tore out her heart and ate it. The next night, the princess rose from her grave - and so have her descendants. But they have no hearts, and they hunger for something to fill that void, which cannot be filled. ”Stereotypes” posted:Gangrel: It’s so precious, how relentlessly they chase the prey. Must be exhausting. The Daeva are common in all covenants save the Ordo Dracul. Their charisma makes them naturals for the Carthians and Invictus, and their passion serves well in the services of the Lancea et Sanctum and rituals of the Circle of the Crone. Those that take to the Ordo tend to be the kind to become addicted to the transformative surgeries they undertake, becoming strange and terrifying gurus of the occult sciences.  Next time: Gangrel
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Vampire is the only one of the WoD splats where I find the endless condescending stereotype quotes to be good.
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ZeroCount posted:Vampire is the only one of the WoD splats where I find the endless condescending stereotype quotes to be good. Being condescending is like the second most important part of being a vampire.
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NutritiousSnack posted:This is also why they cancelled their deal with Fantasy Flight Games. lol Fantasy Flight is developing their own fantasy wargame, right? I wonder why GW might feel threatened by it....
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Nuns with Guns posted:Fantasy Flight is developing their own fantasy wargame, right? I wonder why GW might feel threatened by it.... Oh man, does that mean the WH40KRPG in Cincinnati brand has been discontinued as well?
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Nuns with Guns posted:Fantasy Flight is developing their own fantasy wargame, right? I wonder why GW might feel threatened by it.... Yeah, RuneWars: The Miniatures Game. It looks nice, inasmuch as I'm any judge as a non-wargamer. It's $100 for a complete two-player starter set; $50 cheaper than AoS's and it looks like it has more tools to aid play outside a stick and dice. Evil Mastermind fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Nuns with Guns posted:Fantasy Flight is developing their own fantasy wargame, right? I wonder why GW might feel threatened by it.... The dummie is me
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Evil Mastermind posted:Yeah, RuneWars: The Miniatures Game. It looks nice, inasmuch as I'm any judge as a non-wargamer. RuneWars? They must have spent a whole minute on FantasyNouns.com to come up with that.
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ZeroCount posted:Vampire is the only one of the WoD splats where I find the endless condescending stereotype quotes to be good. it's the only part of the line that it makes sense on. A werewolf or mage being a condescending bitch is annoying, but yea a Vampire being all 'aw poor widdle Gangrel did you get tired chasing bunnies in the yard' is like, yea, ok, that fits perfectly fine. it also helps that lines like 'they call us shallow, we call them concave' are actually decent burns for the setting.
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Mages totally should be condescending dicks because they know more about 'reality' than everyone else. And it's fun. I actually watched the latest Underworld movie this weekend, and I cursed White Wolf and the WoD for 'inspiring' the endless scenes of vampires in bad corsets sniping at each other and politicking over an endless series of Convenents and meaningless titles. I don't think 'vampire politics' was a thing before WoD, was it? Old vampires were metaphors for decadent aristocrats, not the thing itself. I won a DVD of the 1922 Nosferatu movie yesterday, which made up for it since it's the best vampire movie and the best clan.
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Underworld is basically a lovely oWoD larp put to film with a bunch of Matrix special effects so I wouldn't be surprised.
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Kurieg posted:Just in case someone thinks this is hyperbole, it's not. The same investor call stated that they see their own videogames as competitors to the minis game. Didn't it also claim they don't want to end up a forgotten fad like Pokemon?
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Worse than that. They said that Pokemon and roleplaying games were fads that they had successfully outlasted/beaten. "Who can remember them now?"
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JackMann posted:Worse than that. They said that Pokemon and roleplaying games were fads that they had successfully outlasted/beaten. "Who can remember them now?" What? Seriously, what? That's like saying video games are just a fad, everyone will go back to cardboard when it blows over.
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Full quote:quote:I have written a great deal over the years about the ‘greatest danger’ facing Games Workshop. It has usually been in response to the expression of some fear of imminent doom. When will the world tire of miniatures? (It won’t; these are not fashion items, they are hobby collectibles.) Won’t all your customers move on to computer games instead? (They didn’t; most of our current customers weren’t born when the Atari ST came out.) How about other games like Pokémon or role-playing games? (Who can remember them, now?). The evidence is there for all to see, but when it wasn’t I was seen as complacent in the face of these real dangers. I don’t think that was complacency, it’s just that we here all make a living from serving collectors and we understand them and their needs. These are paper tiger dangers. The real danger is us.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Yeah, RuneWars: The Miniatures Game. It looks nice, inasmuch as I'm any judge as a non-wargamer. First, I honestly loved the 40K RPGs and am very glad to have basically the whole of Rogue Trader in print (and everything in PDF of course.) I'll be very sad to see them fall into Specialist obscurity. Although, from my overheard-through-the-grapevine GW was more concerned that FFG had A) merged with Asmodee, GW's main European competition, and B) makes mad bank on Star Wars licensed games actually does bite into GW's miniature sales with the three minis games from that line.
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GW is like the jealous boy/girlfriend of publishers. Once FFG started talking to other people they severed in a huff, but FFG had already dumped them for Star Wars, who's nicer, more successful, and more attractive.
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JackMann posted:Full quote: Who can remember a little nerd film called "star wars", buck rogers 2019 is the future my friend
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Welcome back, Mors! For some reason I had a lot of trouble getting into Vampire after the end of oWoD, but it looks like this review will make for a great intro!
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JackMann posted:
 they can't even understand what this statement means for their business and how horrible the implication is. Admittedly, it's not really unique to GW since there's several other fandom-based hobbies that circled the wagon and pandered to an insular and aging fanbase instead of trying to get new customers, but still...
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On the one hand, I really hope TWW keeps selling like loving gangbusters and these idiots have to explain why they killed the setting. On the other hand I hope these idiots don't make money.
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Mors Rattus posted:Oh hey, I was wondering where this thread went. It somehow fell off my bookmarks.  I've been recently getting into Chronicles of Darkness, but Werewolf, Mage, and Demon (yeah, I know, all the interesting lines) just seriously don't...grab me. I'm excited for this.
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Keep in mind that they made that statement about pokemon in the same year a new Pokemon game came out, and performed amazingly in sales.
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notoriously flash in the pan fads such as one of the most popular and iconic video game franchises of all time or 'the entire concept of roleplaying games'
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Crasical posted:Psion pirate It that someone who uses unlicensed powers they downloaded from the universal unconscious?
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That investor statement did get one thing right, the greatest threat to GW is GW.
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I'm really surprised that GW never went into the prepainted market. While there's something to be said of the creativity of painting and molding greenstuff onto your own armies, most people just don't have the time anymore and having prepainted figs would help with the marketability of the brand, especially since a lot of WH40K is centered around handful of Space Marine chapters with their specific rulesets. Maybe something like a 6-pack squad of prepainted ready-to-play Ultramarines with boosters would be a better way to start an army than buying the whole army at once.
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Young Freud posted:Oh man, does that mean the WH40KRPG in Cincinnati brand has been discontinued as well? i'm not that familiar with warhammer/40k outside of vermintide, so I'm not sure what that means, but Fantasy Flight has already discontinued everything they did for GW 
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It would be cool to get a revised Designers and Dragons a decade or more from now to get the lowdown on what happened with FFG and GW. You'd think Disney would be the ones to go crazy with their license, they're rightfully obsessed with brand image and licensing, but GW was the one that had to closely review anything with a space marine in it and would nitpick the smallest things. Deathwatch was allegedly a nightmare to work on because you'd have some GW dev denying all your requests or products because you gave a chapter they didn't like something cool.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:It would be cool to get a revised Designers and Dragons a decade or more from now to get the lowdown on what happened with FFG and GW. You'd think Disney would be the ones to go crazy with their license, they're rightfully obsessed with brand image and licensing, but GW was the one that had to closely review anything with a space marine in it and would nitpick the smallest things. Deathwatch was allegedly a nightmare to work on because you'd have some GW dev denying all your requests or products because you gave a chapter they didn't like something cool. The thing is, Disney is crazy about their license because they want it to look good, GW is obsessed because they want it to look exactly how they want it. If you put in good work that doesn't conflict with their plans for Star Wars stuff, I'm pretty sure Disney is willing to okay some changes. Also, Star Wars would be worth putting up with way more crap for than Warhams. Warhams is a big name with some nerds, yes, but Star Wars is one of the biggest and most valuable licenses in the world.
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