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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

I'm sorry, everyone.

Original_Z posted:

The dream does find someone who’s pretty successful at the business and is one of the top people in the state and their income is only something like $46,000

Gross or net?

A lot of these "business owners" like to show off checks for $3000 or something without telling you that they spent $4000 on products for personal use that they'll never sell and another 2 grand on conferences and "training tools". I'd be genuinely surprised if that person honestly nets 46k doing this bullshit and if it's who I'm thinking of, that was in "direct sales" which is slightly different. Also, wasn't that lady working like 80 hours a week?

The entire MLM business model is to build a cult of loyal shoppers that have nothing but MLM products in their house and who only shop at ONE place. They don't earn poo poo I promise you. They're trained to lie about it and also to go into hock for cars, clothes and tons of other poo poo they can't afford to project an image. They're leveraged up to their rear end and I guarantee their credit is maxed.

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Midjack
Dec 24, 2007





I don’t think you’ll have to work very hard to convince the thread that multilevel marketing rackets are a ripoff.

MisterOblivious
Mar 17, 2010


ToxicSlurpee posted:

It's one of those situations where they aren't technically lying as there are a few people making a crap ton of money off of it. What they never tell you is that that's a very small handful of people at the top in the inner circle and I'll let you in on a secret; you aren't getting in. Ever. I forget the numbers but the amount of people actually making any decent money off of MLM is somewhere in the single digit percentages toward the low end; like 1% or some poo poo. People making six figures doing it is in the fraction of a percent.

You are way, waaaaaaay too generous in your estimation. People making four figures, gross, is typically in the single digit percents or lower. You don't even get above the poverty line as a 1%'er in a MLM.

Vavrek
Mar 2, 2013

I like your style hombre, but this is no laughing matter. Assault on a police officer. Theft of police property. Illegal possession of a firearm. FIVE counts of attempted murder. That comes to... 29 dollars and 40 cents. Cash, cheque, or credit card?

Midjack posted:

I don’t think you’ll have to work very hard to convince the thread that multilevel marketing rackets are a ripoff.

BiggerBoat posted:

I have a tremendous hard on for MLM's
[...]
I wanted to keep this short but it's impossible. I hate megachurches, televangelists and MLM's more than just about anything and they're all kind of one and the same really.
We all have our passions, and wanting to hatefuck MLMs out of existence is a pretty benign/benevolent one. I just accept that BiggerBoat needs to vent whenever the topic comes up.

Also, I want to echo the comment about The Dream podcast: thanks! It's really good!

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010


It's like a 12 year old compiled all the tech words he knew and then really wanted to show them off. I also need to start using the term "adult vids (porno)" more.

Hi, your account is now infected! Renew the password right now!
You might not know me me and you are certainly interested for what reason you're reading this message, right?
I am ahacker who exploitedyour emailand systemsome time ago.
Don't try out to contact me or alternatively find me, it's not possible, considering that I forwarded you an email from YOUR own account that I've hacked.
I developed special program to the adult vids (porno) site and guess that you watched this website to enjoy it (you realize what I mean).
Whilst you were watching content, your internet browser started out operating like a RDP (Remote Control) with a keylogger that provided me authority to access your monitor and web camera.
Next step, my softaquiredall data.
You entered passwords on the web-sites you visited, and I caught them.
Surely, you can modify each of them, or have already modified them.
Even so it doesn't matter, my app renews information regularly.
What actually did I do?
I compiled a backup of every your device. Of all the files and contact lists.
I created a dual-screen record. The 1st section demonstrates the film you had been watching (you've got a good preferences, wow...), and the second part shows the recording from your camera.
What must you do?
Great, in my view, 1000 USD will be a fair amount of money for this very little riddle. You will do the payment by bitcoins (in case you don't understand this, go searching “how to buy bitcoin” in Google).
My bitcoin wallet address:
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(It is cAsE sensitive, so copy and paste it).
Warning:
You will have only 48 hours to perform the payment. (I put an unique pixel in this letter, and at this time I know that you've read this email).
To tracethe reading of a messageand the activitywithin it, I usea Facebook pixel. Thanks to them. (Everything thatis usedfor the authorities should helpus.)

In case I do not get bitcoins, I shall certainly direct your videofile to each of your contacts, such as family members, co-workers, etcetera?

jobson groeth
May 17, 2018

by FactsAreUseless


bamhand posted:

I shall certainly ...?

It's not certainly going to happen if there is a question about it.

jobson groeth
May 17, 2018

by FactsAreUseless




Not sure this is working well for the scammer at all.

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004



jobson groeth posted:



Not sure this is working well for the scammer at all.

IIRC oftentimes they use a unique wallet address for each recipient. Presumably bamhand didn't send them anything, and no one else would have a reason to either.

MightyJoe36
Dec 29, 2013

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:


Somewhat related: the TV commercials for software that will protect your computer by scanning the "Dark Web."

TheKennedys
Sep 23, 2006

By my hand, I will take you from this godforsaken internet



Wasn't this an episode of Black Mirror except with pedophilia

small ghost
Jan 30, 2013




Ooh I got one of those, sent to my work email.

I know it's all bullshit but the only computer I've got with a webcam attached at the mo is my work laptop; the mental image of some guy frustratedly watching me drink tea and chat with my coworkers for hours on end, just waiting for the moment I crack one out to hardcore in the middle of the office, tickles me immensely.

Hoshi
Jan 20, 2013

:wrongcity:


MightyJoe36 posted:

Somewhat related: the TV commercials for software that will protect your computer by scanning the "Dark Web."

I saw one for Experian triple dark web scan and it never explained the triple part

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Hoshi posted:

I saw one for Experian triple dark web scan and it never explained the triple part
It's not a triple scan, it's a scan of the triple dark web.

Three times darker than the regular dark web.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

I just saw a commercial for a product made especially to reboot your modem & router automatically because "Modems and routers handle a lot of data every day. Eventually, they clog up and slow down."

Start using this now and "You'll notice an increase in internet speeds up to 25% and 100% increase in performance. And it cleans out malware, spyware, and viruses."

And what is this miracle device? A glorified timer.



$20 for one (plus $8 shipping) or two for $30.

Am I wrong in calling bullshit on this?

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007



Routers need to be rebooted regularly. We've set up a timer to reboot ours at 1:30 every morning.

There is no need to buy a special device to do this.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007




I would like a timer tbh but lmao at that description.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

I'm sorry, everyone.

The Lone Badger posted:

Routers need to be rebooted regularly. We've set up a timer to reboot ours at 1:30 every morning.

There is no need to buy a special device to do this.

But how else can I unplug it and plug it back in? I'm a busy man.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007



BiggerBoat posted:

But how else can I unplug it and plug it back in? I'm a busy man.

Any of these?
https://www.bunnings.com.au/our-range/lighting-electrical/electrical/adaptors-timers/timers

Hiram Grewgious
Oct 16, 2004





If your router needs to be rebooted regularly, you have a lovely router

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013





Achmed Jones posted:

If your router needs to be rebooted regularly, you have a lovely router

:haibrow:

peanut
Sep 9, 2007




Yes I agree

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another rainy day commute





Good routers don't need to be regularly rebooted. Cheap routers should probably be rebooted every so often. No router is "cleared of malware and spyware" from a regular reboot.

sadus
Apr 5, 2004



Some specific types do get cleared but if your config is horrible (remote admin or telnet open to the public, out of date firmware, etc) you'll just get re-infected

https://www.ic3.gov/media/2018/180525.aspx

MightyJoe36
Dec 29, 2013

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:


My power goes out often enough that my router gets rebooted regularly.

Non Serviam
Feb 25, 2006

wAstIng 10 bUcks ON an aVaTar iS StUpid

MightyJoe36 posted:

My power goes out often enough that my router gets rebooted regularly.

Venezuelan lifehack

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

I'm the babyliberal, gotta love me!


If you can't trust an email that openly admits it's spam, what can you trust?

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!



That’s your mail provider doing that.

Non Serviam
Feb 25, 2006

wAstIng 10 bUcks ON an aVaTar iS StUpid

https://open.spotify.com/show/1HhgxCadyWTQ09MiqQ136u?si=0oDtg4NfTPSfVYQ7z-ViZw

The perfect scam podcast is back with new episodes! It's made by AARP, but it's not just about scamming seniors.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007




Olds are starting to buy call recorders here because scammers give up fast when they hear the recording notice.

MightyJoe36
Dec 29, 2013

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:


Non Serviam posted:

https://open.spotify.com/show/1HhgxCadyWTQ09MiqQ136u?si=0oDtg4NfTPSfVYQ7z-ViZw

The perfect scam podcast is back with new episodes! It's made by AARP, but it's not just about scamming seniors.

AARP is all about scamming seniors.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-




Pillbug

peanut posted:

Olds are starting to buy call recorders here because scammers give up fast when they hear the recording notice.

That's been an increasingly thing in general, really. The companies doing the scamming know exactly what the laws are but they also know that if you don't prove they did something illegal they can get away with things. So increasingly people are buying recorders. I think there are also apps that can record calls but it's hilarious how quickly they break off the call if you say you're recording them.

That or threatening to sue. There was one in particular that just kept bothering me pretty repeatedly. It was some insurance-related thing. I forget all the details but even though I was at work at the time I just started screaming into the phone "stop calling me. Stop loving calling me. If you don't stop calling me I'm going to lawyer up and sue your asses. Stop calling. Stop. Right loving now." Never heard from them again.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013





MightyJoe36 posted:

AARP is all about scamming seniors.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

I hated your old avatar so much I paid for this one from a gay furry visual novel. gay rights and smoke weed every day

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001



Passion’s Wrench

Absurd Alhazred posted:

If you can't trust an email that openly admits it's spam, what can you trust?



[[SPAM]] $$ Big Sale On Hormel Products $$ [[DINTY MOORE]]

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013




MightyJoe36 posted:

AARP is all about scamming seniors.

AARP is a major funder of ALEC, as well! So, ultimately, scamming everyone out of civil society itself!

Non Serviam
Feb 25, 2006

wAstIng 10 bUcks ON an aVaTar iS StUpid

MightyJoe36 posted:

AARP is all about scamming seniors.

The podcast is still fun, it has the dude from Catch Me Of You Can.

Also, I'm not American. What's the deal with AARP?

JacquelineDempsey
Aug 6, 2008


I don't do Facebook very much, but find it a necessary evil for promoting my art/music shows so I pop in occasionally.

Got an email that looks very legit from them saying that someone had tried to log in on my acct from an unknown device, at an hour I know for a fact I was dead asleep. It offered a link (also looks legit) to ensure the security of my account.

My question: yeah, I think this email actually came from Facebook, I'd like to think I'm pretty savvy on spotting email bullshit. But the paranoid part of me wonders: did someone actually try to randomly brute force "hack" my account, or is this FB's sneaky way of gleaning more personal info from me? They could easily send out "oh noes, you may have got hacked! Send us some more personal info like your phone number an another email, so we can scrape your info and sell it to ad companies!"

Thoughts/experiences? I'm just ignoring it for now.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013





Non Serviam posted:

The podcast is still fun, it has the dude from Catch Me Of You Can.

Also, I'm not American. What's the deal with AARP?

As a non American, it probably doesn't help you understand, but once you hit 50 yrs old they make AOL of the 90s look like amateurs when it comes to trying to get you to join.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013




Non Serviam posted:

The podcast is still fun, it has the dude from Catch Me Of You Can.

Also, I'm not American. What's the deal with AARP?

The American Association of Retired Persons is ostensibly a union for old people to keep them from getting hosed by the cruel and usurious system(s) they themselves voted to implement to separate Americans from their money at a more rapid pace, but in practice is an extremely wealthy lobby for any industry that makes its money selling LifeAlert- and TracFone-type products and services. The AARP contributes money to the American Legislative Exchange Council, a political lobby that LITERALLY submits prefabricated pro-Capital bills to be voted into law by republicans and especially-craven democrats.

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therobit
Aug 19, 2008


JacquelineDempsey posted:

I don't do Facebook very much, but find it a necessary evil for promoting my art/music shows so I pop in occasionally.

Got an email that looks very legit from them saying that someone had tried to log in on my acct from an unknown device, at an hour I know for a fact I was dead asleep. It offered a link (also looks legit) to ensure the security of my account.

My question: yeah, I think this email actually came from Facebook, I'd like to think I'm pretty savvy on spotting email bullshit. But the paranoid part of me wonders: did someone actually try to randomly brute force "hack" my account, or is this FB's sneaky way of gleaning more personal info from me? They could easily send out "oh noes, you may have got hacked! Send us some more personal info like your phone number an another email, so we can scrape your info and sell it to ad companies!"

Thoughts/experiences? I'm just ignoring it for now.

I would just log onto Facebook without touching that link and they will tell you if there is something you need to do. Facebook is a scam to get all your personal information anyway though and they already have all that information.

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