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Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet




Slippery Tilde

I got multiple robo calls today that spoofed my own number. The caller ID just said "voicemail." Was it a buggy auto dialer or were they hoping I'd be intrigued? :iiam:

None of the calls left a message.

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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

I'm sorry, everyone.


Thanks for the links but these threads actually somehow suck.

I thought there'd actually be more to chew on with those topics.

I've only been to a casino a couple of times and I don't get the attraction. The whole scene was just depressing as hell from my angle and I don't get the allure at all.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006



BiggerBoat posted:

Thanks for the links but these threads actually somehow suck.

I thought there'd actually be more to chew on with those topics.

I've only been to a casino a couple of times and I don't get the attraction. The whole scene was just depressing as hell from my angle and I don't get the allure at all.

Lots of people think they can beat the system and get rich quick.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

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Pillbug

LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:

Lots of people think they can beat the system and get rich quick.

Eh, for most it's probably that casinos are fun. It isn't just the gambling; you do have people going into casinos knowing full well that they're going to lose money in the process but in exchange they get to drink a lot, goof off, catch a show, and have insane fever dreams of what they'd do with the money if they actually hit the jackpot. Gambling is fun and exciting; the trick really is to never bet money you can't afford to lose and expect to come out behind. If you do make money great but it's important to know when to walk away.

Happy Thread
Jul 9, 2005

by Fluffdaddy


Plaster Town Cop

Lotta gamblers posting ITT

You all do sound different from everyone else

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006



Gambling is fun with friends but it should not be legal to make a business out of it.

Masonity
Dec 31, 2007

What, I wonder, does this hidden face of madness reveal of the makers? These K'Chain Che'Malle?


LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:

Gambling is fun with friends but it should not be legal to make a business out of it.

All that does is make it unregulated. Pushes it underground and allows people to run actual scams dressed up as gambling.

Happy Thread
Jul 9, 2005

by Fluffdaddy


Plaster Town Cop

Solution seems pretty standard for vice, tax the poo poo out of it and fund awareness campaigns and addiction help

Not going to happen anytime soon under capitalism though

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

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Pillbug

Masonity posted:

All that does is make it unregulated. Pushes it underground and allows people to run actual scams dressed up as gambling.

This, really; you will never, ever stop people from gambling. People invented gambling before we invented writing. It isn't going to go away. Ever.

MightyJoe36
Dec 29, 2013

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:


ToxicSlurpee posted:

Eh, for most it's probably that casinos are fun. It isn't just the gambling; you do have people going into casinos knowing full well that they're going to lose money in the process but in exchange they get to drink a lot, goof off, catch a show, and have insane fever dreams of what they'd do with the money if they actually hit the jackpot. Gambling is fun and exciting; the trick really is to never bet money you can't afford to lose and expect to come out behind. If you do make money great but it's important to know when to walk away.

If you keep this in mind and just look at it as spending money on entertainment the way you would if you went to a movie or a football game, it works.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

I'm the babyliberal, gotta love me!


A lot of you seem to act as if someone can't get addicted to gambling, or like casinos don't make their money out of encouraging and exploiting addictive behavior.

Captain Monkey
Aug 23, 2007



No, but the existence of alcoholics doesn’t mean we should ban alcohol, in my opinion. Mentioning that some (most) people can gamble in moderation is just being used as a counter example to the posters who are trying to equate ‘you can try to maybe win money, but the odds aren’t good’ to Nigerian prince scams.

Gambling addiction is real and damaging, but there are many, many people who can go, have fun, and leave without any problems.

Though I will admit more money spent on addiction treatment programs is absolutely a net social good.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006



I come from a lineage of binge drinkers and gamblers so I don't buy into the "gamble responsibly" pr.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

I'm the babyliberal, gotta love me!


Captain Monkey posted:

No, but the existence of alcoholics doesn’t mean we should ban alcohol, in my opinion. Mentioning that some (most) people can gamble in moderation is just being used as a counter example to the posters who are trying to equate ‘you can try to maybe win money, but the odds aren’t good’ to Nigerian prince scams.

Gambling addiction is real and damaging, but there are many, many people who can go, have fun, and leave without any problems.

Though I will admit more money spent on addiction treatment programs is absolutely a net social good.

I don't give a poo poo if you do or do not ban casinos, just don't pretend that there's a moral failing involved in losing house and home to these vultures, because that's how they get away with it.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018


Absurd Alhazred posted:

I don't give a poo poo if you do or do not ban casinos, just don't pretend that there's a moral failing involved in losing house and home to these vultures, because that's how they get away with it.

i dont think anyone is doing this itt

it's easy to hold forth on the evils of organized gambling but it's a bit like a baptist preacher holding forth on the evils of drinking and casual sex. yes, people make bad decisions, you made An Observation About Humanity, congrats etc.

Captain Monkey
Aug 23, 2007



Absurd Alhazred posted:

I don't give a poo poo if you do or do not ban casinos, just don't pretend that there's a moral failing involved in losing house and home to these vultures, because that's how they get away with it.

I will continue to not do that. I've not read that from any other posters in this thread either.

Happy Thread
Jul 9, 2005

by Fluffdaddy


Plaster Town Cop

Nah, it's super weird to be a casual casino gambling fan in here, it always sounds weird, and it's weird as hell looking in from the outside.

It's always gonna be weird seeing a subset of people insist that the (objectively depressing) innards of a casino full of sad old ladies in the act of losing their life savings is actually a fun innocent place to be, if only approached with self-imposed limits that you're definitely disciplined enough for, unlike those other people.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010


Same but bars and alcohol.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019



Casinos are great for taking acid and freaking the gently caress out with all the hosed up sensory bullshit they pull in there. Giving your money to a drug dealer is also a lot better for the economy than giving it to a casino.

Pharmaskittle
Dec 17, 2007

arf arf put the money in the fuckin bag


I've only been two or three times, but taking $20 to halfheartedly play video poker at the bar while bullshitting with people and getting about $20 worth of drinks for "free" made for an ok night.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010





Bread Liar

Gambling is dumb and casinos and game developers have finely tuned the experience to exploit human psychology.

Far worse than those, though, is mobile gaming. At least in a casino can cash out any time and you even have a chance of leaving with some money.

Mobile gaming is a hell of a lot worse, with completely opaque odds, zero regulations, and an incredibly friction-free experience. Buy an extra try at this level for 1 gem? Pay $0.99 for 1 gem? click, done. And with notifications they can pester you all. the. time.

At least with casinos you have to be there, and pull money out of an ATM.

Happy Thread
Jul 9, 2005

by Fluffdaddy


Plaster Town Cop

bamhand posted:

Same but bars and alcohol.

Don't forget strip clubs. The atmosphere is depression central in those.

felixdrkmessnger
Sep 12, 2019


I agree with not only the casinos, but all forms of gambling. Knew someone that would literally go to her tribe's casino every paycheck, and she would proceed to piss away her money and then go get scratch tickets. I absolutely hate the way gambling is advertised, because its designed to give every patron the idea that they could possibly win. She would get angry because I refused to play into the idea that somehow I would get the jackpot if I continued putting in money. The odds are just incredibly outrageous, and many people get addicted to that chance of winning.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

I'm sorry, everyone.

Absurd Alhazred posted:

A lot of you seem to act as if someone can't get addicted to gambling, or like casinos don't make their money out of encouraging and exploiting addictive behavior.

Like who?

Captain Monkey
Aug 23, 2007



and what about that sportsball, you guys!!! iamverysmart

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

I'm the babyliberal, gotta love me!



Just from this page:

ToxicSlurpee posted:

Eh, for most it's probably that casinos are fun. It isn't just the gambling; you do have people going into casinos knowing full well that they're going to lose money in the process but in exchange they get to drink a lot, goof off, catch a show, and have insane fever dreams of what they'd do with the money if they actually hit the jackpot. Gambling is fun and exciting; the trick really is to never bet money you can't afford to lose and expect to come out behind. If you do make money great but it's important to know when to walk away.

MightyJoe36 posted:

If you keep this in mind and just look at it as spending money on entertainment the way you would if you went to a movie or a football game, it works.

Pharmaskittle posted:

I've only been two or three times, but taking $20 to halfheartedly play video poker at the bar while bullshitting with people and getting about $20 worth of drinks for "free" made for an ok night.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

I'm sorry, everyone.

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Just from this page:

None of those posit that "people can't get addicted to gambling" which was what you asserted.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

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Pillbug

Zamujasa posted:

Gambling is dumb and casinos and game developers have finely tuned the experience to exploit human psychology.

Far worse than those, though, is mobile gaming. At least in a casino can cash out any time and you even have a chance of leaving with some money.

Mobile gaming is a hell of a lot worse, with completely opaque odds, zero regulations, and an incredibly friction-free experience. Buy an extra try at this level for 1 gem? Pay $0.99 for 1 gem? click, done. And with notifications they can pester you all. the. time.

At least with casinos you have to be there, and pull money out of an ATM.

Food companies do similar things to get us to eat more.

But yeah mobile gaming is getting up to some really lovely stuff that I imagine is going to lead to regulation sooner rather than later. Especially since loot boxes are a horrible mess and they're deliberately preying on children in entirely too many cases.

As to addiction "we should ban it because people get addicted" is nonsense; people can get addicted to pretty much anything. Better to regulate things to minimize the damage they cause instead of banning it and handing it over to organized crime. Meanwhile you fund addiction services. Addiction itself is a complicated issue that you don't solve by just saying "ban all the addictive things."

Happy Thread
Jul 9, 2005

by Fluffdaddy


Plaster Town Cop

BiggerBoat posted:

None of those posit that "people can't get addicted to gambling" which was what you asserted.

He said act, not posit

occamsnailfile
Nov 4, 2007



zamtrios so lonely

Grimey Drawer

ToxicSlurpee posted:

Food companies do similar things to get us to eat more.

But yeah mobile gaming is getting up to some really lovely stuff that I imagine is going to lead to regulation sooner rather than later. Especially since loot boxes are a horrible mess and they're deliberately preying on children in entirely too many cases.

As to addiction "we should ban it because people get addicted" is nonsense; people can get addicted to pretty much anything. Better to regulate things to minimize the damage they cause instead of banning it and handing it over to organized crime. Meanwhile you fund addiction services. Addiction itself is a complicated issue that you don't solve by just saying "ban all the addictive things."

It's lead to some (relatively mild) regulation in Japan already, and I can't remember if the EU already passed or was still working on a similar thing. Mobile gaming is absolutely tuned to addict you to gambling though. It gives me some level of amusement to glacially outpace some of those games where I do my ten minutes or whatever and I'm out of my daily crystals, welp, see you tomorrow game, but I am fortunate in that I have been a gamer for a long time and can recognize lovely design when I see it, and gambling doesn't immediately tickle the reward place in my brain.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012





The real game in lovely mobile games is seeing how ridiculously you can cheat before getting banned.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007



Some fiddly bit buried in my brains stimulus-response regards paying real money to be 'cheating', and therefore accomplishments from it aren't 'real' and don't trigger a dopamine response the way numbers-go-up would if I had 'earned' it. So I'm lucky that way.

Cosmetics now. I will absolutely spend money to make my robot space ninja a pretty pretty space ninja.

occamsnailfile
Nov 4, 2007



zamtrios so lonely

Grimey Drawer

The Lone Badger posted:

Some fiddly bit buried in my brains stimulus-response regards paying real money to be 'cheating', and therefore accomplishments from it aren't 'real' and don't trigger a dopamine response the way numbers-go-up would if I had 'earned' it. So I'm lucky that way.

Cosmetics now. I will absolutely spend money to make my robot space ninja a pretty pretty space ninja.

Fashion frame spotted

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018


BiggerBoat posted:

None of those posit that "people can't get addicted to gambling" which was what you asserted.

there's a lot of capitalism-noticers itt

zmcnulty
Jul 26, 2003



Isn't gambling just trading hope

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet




Slippery Tilde

Dumb Lowtax posted:

He said act, not posit

They're not doing that either.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013




Eternal Card Game for Android, Windows and iOS is both free to play and not a scam. You love to see it.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

I'm sorry, everyone.

I can't believe Peter Popov, one of the faith healers that James Randi exposed, is back on TV doing what he always did and people still buy it. I listened to a conned podcast that covered him, Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart and god drat I hate ALL these motherfuckers so much.

EDIT:

Also, I have another one. Toner cartridges.

I can't print or copy anything at home as it stands until I replace my cyan ($40) cartridge on my home printer. This despite replacing all 4 toner cartridges on it less than a year ago and ONLY printing B&W things on it since. Customer support tried to lecture about the nuances of CMYK and that it still uses cyan ink despite the fact I have worked in printing for 30+ years. Ok, then let me print it with just the black. Grayscale.

There is ZERO reason any of my CMY ink cartridges should be empty or even low. None. They want $40 (1/5 of what I paid for the whole printer) for ONE cartridge I have specifically told my printer not to use. Why even have a B&W setting? I've bought off brand toner for it and, what do you know, the machine is smart enough to know I paid less for the ink but not smart enough to NOT use color ink when I am printing out a tax form, some email I want a hard copy of or copying my tenant's lease in B&W.

Pretty sure there was a class action lawsuit about this very thing a few years ago but I can't find it.

Still can't get over "customer support" trying to explain to me how offset printing and color management works though. OK, fine. Print it WITHOUT the cyan then. Black and white like I want.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Sep 14, 2019

hyperhazard
Dec 4, 2011

I am the one lascivious
With magic potion niveous

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CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man




BiggerBoat posted:

I can't believe Peter Popov, one of the faith healers that James Randi exposed, is back on TV doing what he always did and people still buy it. I listened to a conned podcast that covered him, Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart and god drat I hate ALL these motherfuckers so much.

EDIT:

Also, I have another one. Toner cartridges.

I can't print or copy anything at home as it stands until I replace my cyan ($40) cartridge on my home printer. This despite replacing all 4 toner cartridges on it less than a year ago and ONLY printing B&W things on it since. Customer support tried to lecture about the nuances of CMYK and that it still uses cyan ink despite the fact I have worked in printing for 30+ years. Ok, then let me print it with just the black. Grayscale.

There is ZERO reason any of my CMY ink cartridges should be empty or even low. None. They want $40 (1/5 of what I paid for the whole printer) for ONE cartridge I have specifically told my printer not to use. Why even have a B&W setting? I've bought off brand toner for it and, what do you know, the machine is smart enough to know I paid less for the ink but not smart enough to NOT use color ink when I am printing out a tax form, some email I want a hard copy of or copying my tenant's lease in B&W.

Pretty sure there was a class action lawsuit about this very thing a few years ago but I can't find it.

Still can't get over "customer support" trying to explain to me how offset printing and color management works though. OK, fine. Print it WITHOUT the cyan then. Black and white like I want.

Buy a b&w laser printer and throw your inkjet into the trash where it belongs. It costs 25% more up front for the laser, the toner doesn't dry out, and each toner cartridge lasts in the thousands of pages, and it's still only $60-80 for a third-party refill.

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