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Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!





Corporate hospitality teams will buy a row of seats for a year in a venue, and get tickets for every event that year. If it’s not something of interest to the client base they’re trying to entertain they’ll put them up for resale.

I went to see Muse at the o2 in London on exactly that deal, and when I picked up the tickets they had the name of the company on them.

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EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!



Ah interesting. I noticed for the concert I was looking at that it was always Row 15 in about 10 different blocks.

I know my friend has seats in the Principality Stadium in Cardiff which gives him the rights to buy tickets for that seat for each event there. Whoever does it over here is fast tho, I usually find out about new events happening because of reselling tickets that aren’t in circulation yet.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007




This is going around LinkdIn.

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Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!





peanut posted:

This is going around LinkdIn.



I find this pretty interesting. It's a very standard (I think it's called) advance fee fraud scam, but without any of the common capital letters, YOUR MOST HONOURABLE JUDGE AND PRIEST, and all of the usual markers that it's speculated scammers use to whittle down the pool to only the most gullible. Obviously this is because of the market they're publishing on, but it's very interesting nonetheless.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

I'm sorry, everyone.

EL BROMANCE posted:

I've noticed whenever a big concert is announced, immediately there are tickets up on StubHub for silly money in specific blocks/rows. Anyone know the specifics of what I'm sure is a scam? They're before any pre-sale so the only way I can see them being legit is if they're employees of the venue or similar who know they have allocations in certain places. Buying from Ticketmaster is such an rear end, it's not as if they can even rush in at the beginning of a pre-sale and buy these specific seats, as you get offered tickets rather than choose them. Doesn't StubHub require you to even upload the tickets/proof before listing even these days?

It's quite fun snagging seats straight away and looking at the ludicrous prices people set for the same block, mind.

In my experience, the first ones to show up on a Google search are the scams.

I took my son to see Marvel Universe Live a few weeks back and, when looking for tickets, all the links at the top were like double the price. Not sure that's a scam so much as a "shop around" warning but I'd at least expect the actual venue to be the first hit for a show that was no where near sold out.

G-Spot Run
Jun 28, 2005

by R. Guyovich


Australian TV series The Checkout did a piece on ticket scalping marketplaces, specifically viagogo but principle applies to any service.

https://youtu.be/mGXViB2y2ys

Incidentally The Checkout is interesting viewing on sort of above board or widely accepted scams and hokey practices. Laws won't mean poo poo to help you unless you're Australian though.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!


Is there more to Uber/Lyft scams outside of their data being breached and leaving people to do the clean up? A friend who moved from a large city a couple years ago and hadn’t used a ride service since suddenly had hundreds in charges from both services in a different city completely. Apparently there’s talk of a class action?

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012




Netflix has a series called "Dirty Money" and the second episode is about Scott Tucker, a guy who created a Payday Loan company that was even scummier and blatantly illegal than most.

He's super salty that it's possible that he'll be going to jail and goes on and on about how it's unfair that a self made man who never had anyone to rely on is being punished by the big bad government and comes across as a genuine sociopath. His business worked by pretending to be a Native American business which didn't need to follow the laws other Payday Loan places had to... he was sentenced to 16 years a few weeks ago lol

normal-ass vampire
Feb 14, 2011


I got a Google Hangouts (which I don't really use) message supposedly from a doctor, claiming he's upset I left him a bad review online. He said perhaps I went to his office while he was out of town and a different doctor was covering for him. He'd like to discuss this privately with me, as the bad review could hurt his business.

Naturally I've never heard of this guy, or ever reviewed a doctor online. I'm just curious what the angle is here - just see who’s stupid enough to reply at all? What kind of hook is “Huh? I have no idea who you are or what you're talking about.”

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007





Cradle to the Grape posted:

I got a Google Hangouts (which I don't really use) message supposedly from a doctor, claiming he's upset I left him a bad review online. He said perhaps I went to his office while he was out of town and a different doctor was covering for him. He'd like to discuss this privately with me, as the bad review could hurt his business.

Naturally I've never heard of this guy, or ever reviewed a doctor online. I'm just curious what the angle is here - just see who’s stupid enough to reply at all? What kind of hook is “Huh? I have no idea who you are or what you're talking about.”

Or someone with the same name as you did. Many people run with the first name that shows up in search results.

Atticus_1354
Dec 9, 2006

Don't you go near that dog, you understand? Don't go near him, he's just as dangerous dead as alive.


Midjack posted:

Or someone with the same name as you did. Many people run with the first name that shows up in search results.

Yep. I had a guy contact me on facebook about an RV that was owned by someone with my name in 1975 despite the fact that I clearly had not even been born then.

MightyJoe36
Dec 29, 2013

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:


Professor Shark posted:

Netflix has a series called "Dirty Money" and the second episode is about Scott Tucker, a guy who created a Payday Loan company that was even scummier and blatantly illegal than most.

He's super salty that it's possible that he'll be going to jail and goes on and on about how it's unfair that a self made man who never had anyone to rely on is being punished by the big bad government and comes across as a genuine sociopath. His business worked by pretending to be a Native American business which didn't need to follow the laws other Payday Loan places had to... he was sentenced to 16 years a few weeks ago lol

I remember a year or two ago there was a "Native American" loan company advertising on TV for a short time. Their pitch was basically if you couldn't get a loan anywhere else, you should call them. (The reason I put "Native American" in quotes is that I am unaware of any Reservations here in Ohio). I wonder if it was this guy.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012




Could be!

I finished the episode, the anger at the goverment from the guy and his lawyer (who also ended up going to jail) is pathetic and their claims that the goverment are the REAL criminals is hilarious. They never show any self reflection on how their choices led to their situations, just anger that they weren’t allowed to get away with their crimes.

Tucker’s brother killed himself instead of standing trial and going to jail, he and an employee blame the government for his death, of course.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Get into shit, let it out like diarrhea
Got burnt once, that was only gonorrhea




MightyJoe36 posted:

I remember a year or two ago there was a "Native American" loan company advertising on TV for a short time. Their pitch was basically if you couldn't get a loan anywhere else, you should call them. (The reason I put "Native American" in quotes is that I am unaware of any Reservations here in Ohio). I wonder if it was this guy.

Western Sky Financial was a majestic thing, making $500 loans with a capitalized $350 origination fee and 342.9% APR

e: need more? Borrow $2500 for just 47 easy monthly payments of $294.46!!

shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jan 28, 2018

MightyJoe36
Dec 29, 2013

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:


shame on an IGA posted:

Western Sky Financial was a majestic thing, making $500 loans with a capitalized $350 origination fee and 342.9% APR

e: need more? Borrow $2500 for just 47 easy monthly payments of $294.46!!

So I guess when I joked to my wife that it was "going into debt with the Native American mob" I wasn't too far off.

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


Professor Shark posted:

Could be!

I finished the episode, the anger at the goverment from the guy and his lawyer (who also ended up going to jail) is pathetic and their claims that the goverment are the REAL criminals is hilarious. They never show any self reflection on how their choices led to their situations, just anger that they weren’t allowed to get away with their crimes.

Tucker’s brother killed himself instead of standing trial and going to jail, he and an employee blame the government for his death, of course.

The government should only be in the business of oppressing minorities though, if the anger towards prosecuting the bundy assholes/black lives matter/legislation against redlining etc are anything to go by.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Get into shit, let it out like diarrhea
Got burnt once, that was only gonorrhea




More than one mafia guy is on the record being resentful that they only charged about half what the average payday loan joint does

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

I'm the babyliberal, gotta love me!


shame on an IGA posted:

More than one mafia guy is on the record being resentful that they only charged about half what the average payday loan joint does

Mafia guy, shareholder, potato, potahto.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

I'm sorry, everyone.

Cradle to the Grape posted:

I got a Google Hangouts (which I don't really use) message supposedly from a doctor, claiming he's upset I left him a bad review online. He said perhaps I went to his office while he was out of town and a different doctor was covering for him. He'd like to discuss this privately with me, as the bad review could hurt his business.

Naturally I've never heard of this guy, or ever reviewed a doctor online. I'm just curious what the angle is here - just see who’s stupid enough to reply at all? What kind of hook is “Huh? I have no idea who you are or what you're talking about.”

Stop saying mean things online about that nice doctor.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

Ask me about my dream Frasier episode where Frasier and Bulldog oil their heads and then rub them together. It's definitely not a fetish of mine, I swear!

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Mafia guy, shareholder, potato, potahto.

The major difference is if a mafia guy breaks your legs you're going to heal a lot faster than it takes for something negative to fall off your credit report.

normal-ass vampire
Feb 14, 2011


Midjack posted:

Or someone with the same name as you did. Many people run with the first name that shows up in search results.

Huh, that didn't even occur to me because my name is pretty unusual. It just screamed "weird scam" to me.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

I'm the babyliberal, gotta love me!


Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

The major difference is if a mafia guy breaks your legs you're going to heal a lot faster than it takes for something negative to fall off your credit report.

Corporate veil, my friend.

AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012



MightyJoe36 posted:

I remember a year or two ago there was a "Native American" loan company advertising on TV for a short time. Their pitch was basically if you couldn't get a loan anywhere else, you should call them. (The reason I put "Native American" in quotes is that I am unaware of any Reservations here in Ohio). I wonder if it was this guy.

Probably the Allegany Reservation in Western New York State, that's not all that far from Cleveland.

Jyrraeth
Aug 1, 2008

I love this dino
SOOOO MUCH


Got hit by a recruiter for some shady ... something? Something about advertising?? Gave out my VoIP number to see if it was someone legitimate (however unlikely) or something that I could warn people about.

Kind of funny how I asked her to text me the company name so I could check my calendar when I'm home and she kept trying to schedule and interview. She said the company name so fast and said "we don't really have much of a web presence" every time I asked for more details. Wanted to "give me the opportunity to have a powerful secondary income stream".

Def a scam but who knows what flavor.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

Jyrraeth posted:

Got hit by a recruiter for some shady ... something? Something about advertising?? Gave out my VoIP number to see if it was someone legitimate (however unlikely) or something that I could warn people about.

Kind of funny how I asked her to text me the company name so I could check my calendar when I'm home and she kept trying to schedule and interview. She said the company name so fast and said "we don't really have much of a web presence" every time I asked for more details. Wanted to "give me the opportunity to have a powerful secondary income stream".

Def a scam but who knows what flavor.

Sounds like MLM.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country


Just had a white van drive up to my house and offer to sell me a box of steaks.

Meat van scam lives!

Pharmaskittle
Dec 17, 2007

arf arf put the money in the fuckin bag


I would 100% buy van meat

A3th3r
Jul 27, 2013

success is a dream & achievements are the cream


companies that solicit job applications even though they know they can't afford to hire anybody

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002



Jyrraeth posted:

Got hit by a recruiter for some shady ... something? Something about advertising?? Gave out my VoIP number to see if it was someone legitimate (however unlikely) or something that I could warn people about.

Kind of funny how I asked her to text me the company name so I could check my calendar when I'm home and she kept trying to schedule and interview. She said the company name so fast and said "we don't really have much of a web presence" every time I asked for more details. Wanted to "give me the opportunity to have a powerful secondary income stream".

Def a scam but who knows what flavor.

MLM.

I've been reading the subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/antiMLM/ for a while, and this is textbox MLM - won't mention the company name, pressuring for a meeting, and advertises "being your own boss" and "making extra income" on the side.

MLM's these days target women, often stay at home moms, and it's all done via Facebook and other social media. Ever heard of the concept of a "Facebook party"? It's when people interested in selling/buying poo poo from an MLM distributor have a live group chat, sometimes with video, on Facebook, where a distributor desperately tries to unload their overpriced junk makeup/leggings/essential oils.

Distributors/consultants are fed a constant stream of copypasta by their uplink/mentor to post on their Facebook feed. It is typically filled with emojis, hinting at conspiracy theories against doctors and actual pharmaceutical science, claiming that their oil/pills/juice can cure anything that ails ya. They are pushed by their uplink/mentor to constantly spam their Facebook with this, and encouraged to message their Facebook friends asking them if they want to meet and/or buy their products. If you ever receive a message from an ancient friend, say 10-20 years ago school friend, that starts with "Hey Girl! I read your Facebook profile and it's so awesome!....", then you are more likely about to read MLM spam, rather than a genuine reunion. What's even worse is when you get conned into meeting an old friend for what you think is genuine coffee and talk, but it ends up being a sales pitch.

MLM is hugely popular amongst mormon circles, naturally mostly in Utah. This lady explains some very good points about why: https://religionnews.com/2017/06/20/10-reasons-mormons-dominate-multi-level-marketing-companies/

As a clever person on Reddit said recently, the customers of an MLM company are not the people buying poo poo from distributors - the distributors are the customers of the MLM. They pour in thousands of dollars, under "guidance" from "mentors" closely related to the company, buying piles of overpriced stock, in order to keep meeting their minimum order quotas, and going up in levels (gold, diamond, etc.) within the MLM. For that, they get pitiful benefits - cheap Made in China makeup kits, bags, clothing, or if you're really lucky, the "gift" of being able to co-lease a company branded car that ends up being on your dime if you fall back below the required quota.

Are MLM's a scam? In part, but people are voluntarily joining them and keeping them afloat. Get wise, read up, and advise your friends and family to do the same. Many friendships are cut short because one part dives into MLM and refuses to accept the facts, and they will end up with a much lighter wallet and hopefully enlightenment many years later.

Pilsner fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Feb 2, 2018

peanut
Sep 9, 2007




Thanks for the good link. That's exactly it.
My old roommate is married to an MLM guy... they met at a Crossfit gym, and clicked because they're both faithful Catholic Filipinos. The hype never ends.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X


Religious people are the target market for MLM for fairly obvious reasons

FantasticExtrusion
Sep 3, 2017



You should come over later and try this amazing new energy drink that's going to take the country by storm as soon as I can build a tolerance to it.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet




Slippery Tilde

BigDave posted:

Just had a white van drive up to my house and offer to sell me a box of steaks.

Meat van scam lives!

I've literally told these people "sorry, I don't buy truck meat." Haven't seen them in years, though. You've made me all nostalgic.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country


Blue Footed Booby posted:

I've literally told these people "sorry, I don't buy truck meat." Haven't seen them in years, though. You've made me all nostalgic.

http://door2doormeat.blogspot.com/?m=1

MightyJoe36
Dec 29, 2013

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:


Blue Footed Booby posted:

I've literally told these people "sorry, I don't buy truck meat." Haven't seen them in years, though. You've made me all nostalgic.

Same here. Haven't seen it since I worked in a gas station 40 years ago.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!



I spent the weekend in New Orleans so had all the usual scams attempted. I should’ve made up bingo cards.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

I'm sorry, everyone.

Have we discussed mechanics and repair men in this thread?

I remember Dateline or one of those shows used to the hidden camera under the hood trick and bust shady car repairers. I guess it's not exclusive to auto mechanics because the whole "scam" revolves around me not knowing how to fix whatever the gently caress it is - be it a refrigerator, a car or a computer - but I've seen auto mechanics actually break things that weren't broken in order to rip someone off.

My grandma had trouble with her AC once in her car and the dude said she needed a compressor and every other loving thing. I took it to a shop and turns out she needed a belt and some freon. Auto shops can get away with it I think because none of us know what the gently caress we're doing and usually are somewhat forced to simply go to the closest place rather than act out of loyalty if they find an honest one, which is too bad.

Anyone got any shady auto repair stories?

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Get into shit, let it out like diarrhea
Got burnt once, that was only gonorrhea




Everyone should be issued a copy of Audel's Millwright's & Mechanic's Handbook at birth, it'll get you just up to speed enough on basically everything you would need to hire out to detect bullshit

fizzymercury
Aug 18, 2011


I work at an auto body and frame shop and I would just love to hear a single substantiated story about someone getting actually scammed at a legitimate auto shop. The thing is, everyone on earth thinks they're being suckered by their mechanic. Everyone isn't being scammed, that's stupid. Everyone thinks they're being scammed because cars are mysterious magic boxes that only break because all auto industry workers are dicks that want more money. We're not, we just took a lot of classes and also shoved our heads up the asses of so many cars we've earned your Ignorance Tax.

Being a mechanic is a bullshit job but goddamn I get paid so well I honestly can't imagine having to scam someone for money. shame on IGA is right, buy Audels 5th edition and feel like a genius every time you smell burnt oil. It's amazing.

fizzymercury fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Feb 7, 2018

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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

I'm sorry, everyone.

fizzymercy posted:

I work at an auto body and frame shop and I would just love to hear a single substantiated story about someone getting actually scammed at a legitimate auto shop. The thing is, everyone on earth thinks they're being suckered by their mechanic. Everyone isn't being scammed, that's stupid. Everyone thinks they're being scammed because cars are mysterious magic boxes that only break because all auto industry workers are dicks that want more money. We're not, we just took a lot of classes and also shoved our heads up the asses of so many cars we've earned your Ignorance Tax.

Being a mechanic is a bullshit job but goddamn I get paid so well I honestly can't imagine having to scam someone for money. shame on IGA is right, buy Audels 5th edition and feel like a genius every time you smell burnt oil. It's amazing.

Well, I posted one but I appreciate the post.

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